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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #210 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:54pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:36pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:12pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:27pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:14pm:

The point? Dissing Islamic inspired atrocities makes Brian cry

Secret, I'm curious about you too, dear.

Do you think we should make stuff up about Islamic-inspired atrocities?

Cheers.

Curious eh? Never heard that before. Roll Eyes

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I am. You're not ignoring, dear, you're evading.

Now, would you like to answer the questions?

Keep buzzin’ Blowey. You repetition has rendered you irrelevant to the forum.

Absolutely, never ever, always with stilts on it. Grin

I see. Evading - tick.

Deflecting - tick.

Dissembling - tick.

We expect to see you spinelessly defend Islamic-inspired Saudi atrocities in your next post, dear.

Suck up the attention buzzy, it’s the most response you have had lately. Ya not noticed how little you getting back these days? Ya get the feeling people not giving a poo about returning rote responses to your rote repetition? Grin

. I certainly ain’t.

Bzzzzzz away buzzy.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #211 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:07pm

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:14pm:

The point? Dissing Islamic inspired atrocities makes Brian cry, so the dickhead posts Hebrew texts to make you cry back.

Nahhh, I dont get it either. Apparently bloke was brain damaged in military service deploying a forward sausagemachine mount.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. It always has to be about me, right, hey, Secret? Never about how violent Christianity is in it's Holy Book, the Bible. Why not answer the point being raised, instead of attacking me, personally or is that too hard for you?

What's the date of the latest entry on your list, idiotic old mad woman? Do you even KNOW? No.

Does it matter, Soren? Really? Why aren't you asking Moses the same question? Why does he always get a free pass, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Bwian - you are an idiot. You can't reason, you have no comprehension or abstract reasoning ability. You are unable to comprehend abstract concepts, let alone discern connections between concepts.

Go and pick up some litter, Go on, be useful.

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Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Another session in your favourite mud patch it seems. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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What does tsk tsk mean, Brian? I've always been curious about this.

Why, it is a note of dismissal, my old boy. It notes the pointless of continuing the conversation. It is a shame that none of my opponents seems to understand that... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #212 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:26pm

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:36pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:12pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:27pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:14pm:

The point? Dissing Islamic inspired atrocities makes Brian cry

Secret, I'm curious about you too, dear.

Do you think we should make stuff up about Islamic-inspired atrocities?

Cheers.

Curious eh? Never heard that before. Roll Eyes

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I am. You're not ignoring, dear, you're evading.

Now, would you like to answer the questions?

Keep buzzin’ Blowey. You repetition has rendered you irrelevant to the forum.

Absolutely, never ever, always with stilts on it. Grin

I see. Evading - tick.

Deflecting - tick.

Dissembling - tick.

We expect to see you spinelessly defend Islamic-inspired Saudi atrocities in your next post, dear.

Suck up the attention buzzy, it’s the most response you have had lately. Ya not noticed how little you getting back these days? Ya get the feeling people not giving a poo about returning rote responses to your rote repetition? Grin

. I certainly ain’t.

Bzzzzzz away buzzy.

You've provided rote deflections to each and every post so far, dear. I think we can now safely conclude that you do indeed support the use of lies here; that you do indeed join FD in sticking up for Islamic-inspired Saudi atrocities.

Imagine - the most tyrannical Islamicist regime in the world, Saudi Arabia, and there's poor old Secret giggling and chasing around those who point this out. Evading, deflecting, denying, snivelling, the lot.

You join FD, Moses and the old boy on the porkie list, Secret, a list of those who in your own words deserve no respect.

And do you know? I agree. No one believes anything they say about Islam anymore, It's just about virtue-signaling their hate to one another and riling up the apologists. All 3 have stated that they have no problem with lying whatsoever, so who'd take any of their claims seriously?

Even you know the Taliban had no enforced policy of shooting 8 year old girls in the back of the head for being in a classroom. But you'll never say this because that could be construed as undermining FD's support for the Saudis.

Have another giggle, Secret. Your method too has been exposed. Your capabilities are on display for all here, dear.

Buzz buzz buzz.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #213 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:07pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:30pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:32pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:20pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:14pm:

The point? Dissing Islamic inspired atrocities makes Brian cry, so the dickhead posts Hebrew texts to make you cry back.

Nahhh, I dont get it either. Apparently bloke was brain damaged in military service deploying a forward sausagemachine mount.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. It always has to be about me, right, hey, Secret? Never about how violent Christianity is in it's Holy Book, the Bible. Why not answer the point being raised, instead of attacking me, personally or is that too hard for you?

What's the date of the latest entry on your list, idiotic old mad woman? Do you even KNOW? No.

Does it matter, Soren? Really? Why aren't you asking Moses the same question? Why does he always get a free pass, hey? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Bwian - you are an idiot. You can't reason, you have no comprehension or abstract reasoning ability. You are unable to comprehend abstract concepts, let alone discern connections between concepts.

Go and pick up some litter, Go on, be useful.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Another session in your favourite mud patch it seems. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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What does tsk tsk mean, Brian? I've always been curious about this.

Why, it is a note of dismissal, my old boy. It notes the pointless of continuing the conversation. It is a shame that none of my opponents seems to understand that... Roll Eyes

Oh. How does one pronounce it?

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #214 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 9:08am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 4:23pm:

It was their policy Gandalf.

LOL no it wasn't. You have no shred of evidence it was. The "policy" about shooting under 8s is not only not mentioned anywhere, none of your sources even mention under 8s - not once. As for over 8s, the very best you can find is the vague statement they "feared execution" for going to school - but no actual evidence that anyone actually was executed - let alone in a "widespread" and "actively enforced policy". The only mention of anything happening to anyone was teachers being imprisoned and tortured - not even killed.

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Are you suggesting it was not "widespread"?

I'm suggesting it didn't happen at all.

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What other inventive ways can you find to defend the Taliban?

Well I guess I could come up with porkies like you do. I reckon I could come up with something close to as inventive as your whopper about school girls and pre-schoolers being routinely shot in the back of the head for reading and/or reading the wrong stuff. It would be quite easy actually - I would just have to make crap up. But I think I'll pass.

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is this how you make the case for them being no worse than the Saudis?

No, its how I make the case that you are lying through your teeth. Its actually very straight-forward - you make crap up that has no basis whatsoever in actual fact, I ask you where the evidence for that is, you then proceed to fail spectacularly in providing any shred of it - and voila, your made up crap is exposed as a lie. Simples.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #215 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 9:31am

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the very best you can find is the vague statement they "feared execution" for going to school

You are lying again Gandalf. Do I have to quote myself quoting myself quoting myself?

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I'm suggesting it didn't happen at all.

What didn't happen at all? Is this you "not defending" the Taliban?

Why do you think the Taliban were no worse than the Saudis? That was what the entire previous thread was about, and much of the one before, but you never came close to a straight answer. You have asked how difficult it was for female Saudi university graduates to get a job, but cannot explain what that is even relevant.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #216 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 9:48am

Karnal wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:26pm:

Even you know the Taliban had no enforced policy of shooting 8 year old girls in the back of the head for being in a classroom. But you'll never say this because that could be construed as undermining FD's support for the Saudis.

Sad, but pretty much right on the money.

The tribalism on display here during any discussion about Islam is a sight to behold.

Frank at least had the balls to go on record and openly state that he thought porkies were a-ok in the name of attacking Islam. His justification being 'well they do stuff like that anyway - the porkies just make up for the stuff we miss'.

But take someone like moses - whose central argument for a long time has been consistent: Islam will be 'outed' and therefore destroyed by the truth. Muslims need only recognise and acknowledge the truth about Islam, and Islam will self destruct. This position is surely undermined when people so blatantly and deliberately attempt to 'out' Islam with porkies. Why isn't moses castigating FD for his porkies?

Then there's secret et al - who, lets face it, there sole purpose here is to stick it to the apologists. They don't really care about Islam, they just come here to sneer and jeer at Bwian - apologist public enemy number 1. Yet, I wonder why? They certainly preach long and hard about dishonesty, as in the apologists refusal to acknowledge the evils of Islam. And yet, there seeming concern for dishonesty evaporates pretty quickly when presented with FD's (and others) blatant howlers. The cynicism of these 'apologist bashers' turns out to be completely transparent. Turns out they are just here to bash Islam - and have no qualms in apologising and deflecting for porkies in the process.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #217 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:15am

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 9:31am:

Do I have to quote myself quoting myself quoting myself?

No, you just have to quote yourself providing evidence that a single girl was shot by the taliban regime for attending school in an "actively enforced policy" during their rule 1996-2001. Unfortunately all you'll do is repeat the meaningless vague quote the girls "feared execution" and cite stuff that happened over a decade after.

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 9:31am:

What didn't happen at all? Is this you "not defending" the Taliban?

During their rule 1996-2001, we know not a single case of a girl over 8 being executed by the taliban for attending school. And we know not a single case of a girl under 8 being executed by the taliban for reading non-Quranic material. You lied by not only saying it happened, but it was a "widespread" and "actively enforced policy". As I said, when you go for porkies, you sure do go big.

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Why do you think the Taliban were no worse than the Saudis? That was what the entire previous thread was about, and much of the one before, but you never came close to a straight answer.

I gave plenty of straight answers FD. I spoil you with straight answers - played on repeat over and over and over again just for your benefit. I should only have to give you one straight answer to each question, but I always end up repeating my straight answers again.. and again... and again..

For your reference, refer (again) to my many posts about the Saudis' guardian system which literally makes women prisoners to the whims and wills of men. The women who are being tortured in Saudi gaols for the high crime of calling for basic human rights. The female maids who are executed for defending themselves against abusive employers. They are "worse" than the taliban in so many other areas - like their export of jihadis and their significant funding of terrorism into Syria and other places posing a genuine threat to world security. Their actual genocide happening right now in Yemen.

Oh look, there I go repeating my straight answer. Again.

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You have asked how difficult it was for female Saudi university graduates to get a job, but cannot explain what that is even relevant.

Women are prevented from a) getting a job outside the house and b) practically doing anything outside the home - just as they were under the taliban. Still, I'm sure they appreciate using their wonderful uni degrees to conduct philosophical debates with themselves safely shut away in their own home.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #218 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:23am

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 9:31am:

That was what the entire previous thread was about,

And this thread is about you lying, which should be a separate concern.

You seem to be using some sort of defence that goes like "because Gandalf is wrong about the original point - I don't have to answer for the lies I used to try and demonstrate he is wrong".

I have already pointed out to you that you could have stuck to the actual facts to make an excellent refutation of my claim. You could point to the fact that Saudi women can at least go to school, while Afghan women under the taliban "feared execution" if they tried. You could point out the evidence that Afghan teachers were gaoled and tortured for teaching girls - while Saudi teachers at girls schools are fully supported.

I still think I would have a good case for saying they are as bad as each other, but at least we would be arguing the actual facts like adults. Unfortunately you tore up any shred of credibility you might have had in your refutation by throwing in porkies. It would be a bit like me objecting to the argument that Mussolini was just as bad as Hitler - by claiming that Hitler actually ate jewish babies every day for breakfast. Hitler by any measure was undoubtedly worse than Musulini, but the lie that he ate babies for breakfast remains a lie - and therefore my argument is left in tatters. Instead, I should have prosecuted my objection by sticking to the actual facts. Just like you should have.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #219 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:39am

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Women are prevented from a) getting a job outside the house and b) practically doing anything outside the home - just as they were under the taliban. Still, I'm sure they appreciate using their wonderful uni degrees to conduct philosophical debates with themselves safely shut away in their own home.

How do they get a university degree if they are shut away in their home?

How can the majority of university graduates be female in a country that treats it's women just as bad as the Taliban?

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 9:31am:

Do I have to quote myself quoting myself quoting myself?

No, you just have to quote yourself providing evidence that a single girl was shot by the taliban regime for attending school in an "actively enforced policy" during their rule 1996-2001.

You lied about what I said Gandalf. Here it is again:

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the very best you can find is the vague statement they "feared execution" for going to school

Where is this from?

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I'm suggesting it didn't happen at all.

What didn't happen at all?

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #220 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:58am

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:39am:

How can the majority of university graduates be female in a country that treats it's women just as bad as the Taliban?

Sad isn't it? They get all those qualifications, but can't do anything with them. You could almost say its a cruel joke - a cynical ploy to 'keep up appearances'. If only the taliban had the propaganda skills of the Saudis to hoodwink the useful idiots- not to mention have the vassalage of the US. Who knows, maybe even you would apologise for them.

And good for you FD. This is how you argue your case. You take the facts and make arguments out of them. Such a shame you didn't do this in the first place - and instead launched straight into porkies. Who knows, maybe you could have convinced me that they weren't equally bad - as opposed to proving yourself a cynical manipulator of the facts in the name of blatant war-mongering and apologising for the US's vassals.

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:39am:

What didn't happen at all?

girls getting shot for attending school, or getting shot for reading non-Quranic material if they were under 8 - under the taliban regime. How on earth was this not crystal clear from what I said FD?

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2019 at 10:39am:

You lied about what I said Gandalf. Here it is again:

I'm sorry FD, what exactly are you accusing me of lying about? Are you saying it wasn't the best you could find? I agree its crap evidence, but surely you'll agree its far better than an anecdote from over a decade after the period in question?

Is it a lie to say that you didn't come up with a single piece of evidence that any girl - either over 8 or under 8 - was executed by the taliban regime for going to school/reading non-Quranic material during their rule 1996-2001? Let alone that the practice was "widespread" and an "actively enforced policy"?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #221 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 11:21am

Secret Wars wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2019 at 9:44am:

In another few more years of concerted efforts by the apologists and cultists ISIS will be elevated to a faith based alternative housing and aid project. Grin

Setting fire to people and slitting throats will be censored out of existence and if mentioned the first thing the apologist will ask for is ref? smug in the knowledge that like Greggs post it has already been removed, and the second thing they will do is deny the reference.

What’s worse though the apologist will know that evidence of ISIS and Islamic atrocities once existed,but apologism and megaphone sized virtue announcing is much, much important to an apologist than any attempt at honest discourse.

That first post was inspired by the photo posted of the pilot being burnt by the taliban community housing collective and on how hard they are to find anymore, any of the burning, decapitations, choppy choppy.

It is of direct relevance in a thread about outrageous porkies because the first thing apologists do is to demand a reference and the motive for that in in threads like this is to deny the event, even if the event is known to be true. . Gregg once demanded as evidence, a post of his own that he had already deleted. Without that evidence he denied what he had said. Roll Eyes

. An outrageous porkie by any measure.

That’s the attitude in forums like this where every and any excuse, distraction and diversion is rolled out to deny the reality or mitigate the intent and to generally dismiss any concerns about violent Islam. Whatever it takes, if I can delete it, or you can’t find it, it didn’t happen. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49004 At my desk.	Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here? Reply #222 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 11:32am Quote: I'm sorry FD, what exactly are you accusing me of lying about? This is a lie: Quote: the very best you can find is the vague statement they "feared execution" for going to school Where did you get that from?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here? Reply #223 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 12:11pm Again FD, what is the lie exactly? Are you denying its your best evidence? Or are you denying you even cited that quote from your wiki as evidence little girls were executed for attending school? Feel free to stop this silly 'lets be as vague as possible' game.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49004 At my desk.	Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here? Reply #224 - Sep 6^th, 2019 at 12:29pm As far as I can tell, the whole thing is a lie. Where did you get it from?
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