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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #45 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 5:06pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 4:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:22pm:

You really should be more tolerant about other people's beliefs.

I'm very tolerant of FD's right to lie in the name of criticising Islam and muslims. Good luck to him. And may he receive much ridicule and scorn for it.

But tolerance doesn't reqiure spinelessly apologising and deflecting for those lies. Tolerance can also involve exposing those lies and pointing out the dishonesty of the person making those lies.

I will also warn of the dangers of lying, and that they are not just a pendatic nitpicking exercise. Bush I had the babies in the incubators howler, Howard had Saddam's human shredder. Both those lies mattered - they both undeniably galvanised the public into supporting military action. Now its FD's turn - and it is every bit as sinister and dangerous. He introduced it in response to the notion that Saudi Arabia was just as bad as the taliban in terms of treatment of women. The context of this was that FD thinks overthrowing the taliban was a no-brainer, on humanitarian grounds, yet there are no such grounds in relation to the Saudi regime. The subtext of this position should be pretty obvious - the US invaded and overthrew the taliban, whereas the Saudi regime remains untouchable. And so FD constructs his own ideological position around that reality - the west dispatched the taliban, that must have been right and proper, therefore the taliban are the worst. Yet the west continue to bend over to the Saudis - therefore this must be right and proper, meaning the Saudis mustn't be as bad.

Lies of course are central to maintaining this wholly untennable position: deny that the systematic abuses and persecution of Saudi women is taking place, and invent the most outlandish porkies about what the taliban did to little girls.

The implications of these lies shouldn't need elaborating: the abuses of the Saudi regime that we ignore or apologise for, the continued belligerance in Afghanistan - with all its destructive futility, and of course, set the tone for the next wars.

Sure, so why not do the same? You could dream up all sorts of atrocities committed by the Saudis. Why not just make a few up?

If FD relies on lying, and the members here are good with it, why not just lie back? It seems to me that FD only calls you a liar when you tell the truth, G.

If anybody questions your lies, you can just jump in with your own questions. Accuse them of evasion when they ask for an answer. If they keep asking, just leave the thread.

You can wrap all this up into a defense of your rights. Demand that they stop trying to censor you, you will not be silenced. It's your freedom of speech to tell porkies.

Yes, some people will think you're deluded and shamelessly mock you or try to bring you round to the truth. You can then attack them with a barrage of inane questions.

After all, you're not deluded, you know exactly what you're doing. You're telling porkies to rile people up and get them to hate each other. You don't actually believe any of your rubbish. With any luck, someone will hear your lies and, say, gun down a place of worship. Best case scenario and they'll go and invade someone.

You'll know you've been successful when people say, WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE or SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

Try it out, G. FD might start to show you some respect.

Ok, I'll give it a shot...

hey, you know, the Saudis have an actively enforced policy of forcing immodestly dressed women to suffocate to death in burning buildings. Therefore the Saudis are as bad as the taliban, who we overthrew. Therefore, why not overthrow the Saudis?

How did that go? I reckon its pretty rock solid. It is, after all based on an actual real-life incident in Saudi Arabia that we know happened - which is more than I can say for FD's whopper. He can't even come up with a single under 8 year old who was shot in the back of the head for reading non-Quranic material. Poor FD, he can only cite Malala.

That's good, G. These Saudis sound like real rotters to me.

Don't you forget though. The Saudis are in with Uncle, so they're okay. They're hardly even Muslims. Uncle built their cities and arms them with weapons and even pipes their oil out, so it's a bit mean to have a go at them. The rich ones are welcome in Amerika any day. A number of them own apartments in Trump Tower. Mr Trump's always had a soft spot for them.

So it would be best to shut all this anti-Saudi nonsense down. Best to excuse them and avoid all mention of their atrocities. Pick on some poor, war-torn Muslim country and hate them instead. Defend their invasion - make stuff up to excuse it.

It's all good. Iraq could be the next South Korea thanks to Uncle. Afghanistan has abandoned its policy of marching schoolgirls out of classrooms, lining them up and, one by one, shooting them in the back of the head.

You see? We're finally making progress. We've brought freedom to Iraqis/South Koreans and Afghani women and girls. Before long, we'll wipe Islam off the face of the earth. Mr Trump's even banned them all from Amerika UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

Apart from the Saudis. They're actually quite nice when you get to know them.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #47 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:11pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 4:45am:

freediver wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:

According to Gandalf, that is freedom of speech, Islam style.

How about porkies, FD?

Karnal,

In your communication with non-moslems on this forum,
how about deceive, inveigle, and obfuscate, ...ISLAMIC style.

Dictionary;
deceive = = deliberately mislead or misrepresent the truth to.

Dictionary;
inveigle = = persuade by deception or flattery.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

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“Peace and love are at the center of our religion, as evidenced by scripture and history,...”

- Sheikh Abdullah Bin Bayyah
CITED... https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/02/uae-forum-promotes-dubious-islamic-peace

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EXAMPLE;

"ISLAM ES PAZ"

IMAGE.....

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EXAMPLE;

Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam, because it means

submitting your will to God,

so you acquire peace through it," he said.

"When I'm following its [i.e. ISLAM's] teachings,

I know that my own actions are in line with what my creator wants,

and hence I am at peace with myself, [with] my community and the rest of the world."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/darwins-muslim-community-tackles-discrimin...

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"Mr Yunus has been encouraging peaceful community bridging since starting his post as Darwin's Islamic leader in 2014."

- ABC news report - 2015-01-19

QUOTE;
"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

- Mr Yunus

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EXAMPLE;

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Ali Kadri - Islamic Council of Queensland vice-president,
features in The Mosque Next Door on SBS.

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"There's no underlying religious text or reasons why [moslems] go out and kill people......"

- Ali Kadri
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https://www.northernstar.com.au/news/we-wont-stop-terrorist-attacks-by-blaming-i...

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Quote:

"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

Thanks Yadda - good quote.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #48 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:14pm

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 5:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 3:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

OK - on topic:

nope, sorry Bobby.

Would you like to have another go? hint: the topic is FD's blatant lie that the taliban during their rule had a widespread "actively enforced policy" of shooting 8 year old girls in the back of the head for reading non-Quranic material.

Who knows - maybe you will actually produce some evidence to prove me wrong and FD right? Not hopeful though - I'll stand by for a further barrage of completely irrelevant anecdotes.

So its was not Taliban policy
to shoot her in the head, it was just Taliban (Islamic) practice
- and not splitting hairs meticulously about policy (do illiterate goatherds have dot gov dot Talib websites on their policies???) and their blatant everyday oppressive and violent practice in every utterance where the two concepts come up is what sends you into a little indignant pouting on behalf of all Islamists thus wronged.

You see? Intelligence and integrity. The old boy never tells porkies to prove his point. This post is the first time he's done it.

Good show, dear boy. You're learning our marvellous new game, no?

Even if it has been around for, oh, always absolutely never ever.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #49 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:19pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:11pm:

Gandalf is keeping up his jihad. All muslims are supposed to exercise their jihad at every opportunity

That's true, Bias, but we've changed the rules, dear. The struggle is no longer in defence of the truth. It's now about porkies.

Do you think you can do it?

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #50 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:39pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:19pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:11pm:

Gandalf is keeping up his jihad. All muslims are supposed to exercise their jihad at every opportunity

That's true, Bias, but we've changed the rules, dear. The struggle is no longer in defence of the truth. It's now about porkies.

Do you think you can do it?

It looks more about defending the Taliban. Muslims defend each other, so it's logical Gandalf would stick up for them

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #51 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:44pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:19pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:11pm:

Gandalf is keeping up his jihad. All muslims are supposed to exercise their jihad at every opportunity

That's true, Bias, but we've changed the rules, dear. The struggle is no longer in defence of the truth. It's now about porkies.

Do you think you can do it?

It looks more about defending the Taliban. Muslims defend each other, so it's logical Gandalf would stick up for them

Oh, I know.

Quote:

... but yes its true that there is so much horrible stuff that the taliban actually did that can be used to rightly criticism them with.

And yet, FD still wants to use porkies.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #52 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 3:19pm:

So you proved I was lying about the Taliban killing students and teachers by leaving out the bits I quoted about the Taliban killing students and teachers? After I went to the trouble of providing the evidence for you? Who's telling the outrageous porkies now Gandalf?

By which of course you mean a vague sentence that said women and teachers "risked execution" by attending school. Yes, thats right folks, from that we get actual "taliban killing students and teachers",

That, and the bit I quoted where it said the Taliban was killing students and teachers. You went to the trouble of doing a big copy and paste from wikipedia, claiming it was my evidence. How did you manage to leave both of those bits out?

I think we have gone from "outrageous porky" to hysterical misrepresentation.

This is one of many recent threads where I have had to quote myself saying something several times in order to get it through to you that I am saying it.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #53 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:48pm

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:44pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 3:19pm:

So you proved I was lying about the Taliban killing students and teachers by leaving out the bits I quoted about the Taliban killing students and teachers? After I went to the trouble of providing the evidence for you? Who's telling the outrageous porkies now Gandalf?

By which of course you mean a vague sentence that said women and teachers "risked execution" by attending school. Yes, thats right folks, from that we get actual "taliban killing students and teachers",

That, and the bit I quoted where it said the Taliban was killing students and teachers. You went to the trouble of doing a big copy and paste from wikipedia, claiming it was my evidence. How did you manage to leave both of those bits out?

I think we have gone from "outrageous porky" to hysterical misrepresentation.

No worries, FD. You can quote the part which backs up your porkie. Easy.

Still, you'd lose some face here if you did that. You have a fine reputation of being one of the biggest porkie-tellers on the board.

Stick to that. Much more fun to play dumb with G for a few pages about him misquoting you. Much more fun to evade and deflect and tapdance in the name of porkies.

Why would you want to show G your proof? That's way too easy.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #54 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:54pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:14pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 5:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 3:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

OK - on topic:

nope, sorry Bobby.

Would you like to have another go? hint: the topic is FD's blatant lie that the taliban during their rule had a widespread "actively enforced policy" of shooting 8 year old girls in the back of the head for reading non-Quranic material.

Who knows - maybe you will actually produce some evidence to prove me wrong and FD right? Not hopeful though - I'll stand by for a further barrage of completely irrelevant anecdotes.

So its was not Taliban policy
to shoot her in the head, it was just Taliban (Islamic) practice
- and not splitting hairs meticulously about policy (do illiterate goatherds have dot gov dot Talib websites on their policies???) and their blatant everyday oppressive and violent practice in every utterance where the two concepts come up is what sends you into a little indignant pouting on behalf of all Islamists thus wronged.

You see? Intelligence and integrity. The old boy never tells porkies to prove his point. This post is the first time he's done it.

Good show, dear boy. You're learning our marvellous new game, no?

Even if it has been around for, oh, always absolutely never ever.

Sorry, Paki, you make no sense once again. Perhaps gobble down/slobber dry whatever you have in your mouth and try again.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #55 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:22pm:

You really should be more tolerant about other people's beliefs.

I'm very tolerant of FD's right to lie in the name of criticising Islam and muslims. Good luck to him. And may he receive much ridicule and scorn for it.

But tolerance doesn't reqiure spinelessly apologising and deflecting for those lies. Tolerance can also involve exposing those lies and pointing out the dishonesty of the person making those lies.

I will also warn of the dangers of lying, and that they are not just a pendatic nitpicking exercise. Bush I had the babies in the incubators howler, Howard had Saddam's human shredder. Both those lies mattered - they both undeniably galvanised the public into supporting military action. Now its FD's turn - and it is every bit as sinister and dangerous. He introduced it in response to the notion that Saudi Arabia was just as bad as the taliban in terms of treatment of women. The context of this was that FD thinks overthrowing the taliban was a no-brainer, on humanitarian grounds, yet there are no such grounds in relation to the Saudi regime. The subtext of this position should be pretty obvious - the US invaded and overthrew the taliban, whereas the Saudi regime remains untouchable. And so FD constructs his own ideological position around that reality - the west dispatched the taliban, that must have been right and proper, therefore the taliban are the worst. Yet the west continue to bend over to the Saudis - therefore this must be right and proper, meaning the Saudis mustn't be as bad.

Lies of course are central to maintaining this wholly untennable position: deny that the systematic abuses and persecution of Saudi women is taking place, and invent the most outlandish porkies about what the taliban did to little girls.

The implications of these lies shouldn't need elaborating: the abuses of the Saudi regime that we ignore or apologise for, the continued belligerance in Afghanistan - with all its destructive futility, and of course, set the tone for the next wars.

You have been lying for Islam for years. How to account for that?

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #56 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:06pm

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 6:14pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 5:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 3:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 30^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

OK - on topic:

nope, sorry Bobby.

Would you like to have another go? hint: the topic is FD's blatant lie that the taliban during their rule had a widespread "actively enforced policy" of shooting 8 year old girls in the back of the head for reading non-Quranic material.

Who knows - maybe you will actually produce some evidence to prove me wrong and FD right? Not hopeful though - I'll stand by for a further barrage of completely irrelevant anecdotes.

So its was not Taliban policy
to shoot her in the head, it was just Taliban (Islamic) practice
- and not splitting hairs meticulously about policy (do illiterate goatherds have dot gov dot Talib websites on their policies???) and their blatant everyday oppressive and violent practice in every utterance where the two concepts come up is what sends you into a little indignant pouting on behalf of all Islamists thus wronged.

You see? Intelligence and integrity. The old boy never tells porkies to prove his point. This post is the first time he's done it.

Good show, dear boy. You're learning our marvellous new game, no?

Even if it has been around for, oh, always absolutely never ever.

Sorry, Paki, you make no sense once again. Perhaps gobble down/slobber dry whatever you have in your mouth and try again.

No speaka da English, eh?

We understand. FD likes to play that one too, but unlike you, dear boy, English is his first language.

Intelligence and integrity is part of that marvellous set of values you picked up at the University of Balogney, remember? Whenever you're caught out telling a howler, don't apologise and move on, play cute. Throw a hissy. Do no speaka da English.

And when all that fails, disappear.

Scientific method, innit.

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Re: Has there been a more outrageous porky here?
Reply #57 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:10pm

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:22pm:

You really should be more tolerant about other people's beliefs.

I'm very tolerant of FD's right to lie in the name of criticising Islam and muslims. Good luck to him. And may he receive much ridicule and scorn for it.

But tolerance doesn't reqiure spinelessly apologising and deflecting for those lies. Tolerance can also involve exposing those lies and pointing out the dishonesty of the person making those lies.

I will also warn of the dangers of lying, and that they are not just a pendatic nitpicking exercise. Bush I had the babies in the incubators howler, Howard had Saddam's human shredder. Both those lies mattered - they both undeniably galvanised the public into supporting military action. Now its FD's turn - and it is every bit as sinister and dangerous. He introduced it in response to the notion that Saudi Arabia was just as bad as the taliban in terms of treatment of women. The context of this was that FD thinks overthrowing the taliban was a no-brainer, on humanitarian grounds, yet there are no such grounds in relation to the Saudi regime. The subtext of this position should be pretty obvious - the US invaded and overthrew the taliban, whereas the Saudi regime remains untouchable. And so FD constructs his own ideological position around that reality - the west dispatched the taliban, that must have been right and proper, therefore the taliban are the worst. Yet the west continue to bend over to the Saudis - therefore this must be right and proper, meaning the Saudis mustn't be as bad.

Lies of course are central to maintaining this wholly untennable position: deny that the systematic abuses and persecution of Saudi women is taking place, and invent the most outlandish porkies about what the taliban did to little girls.

The implications of these lies shouldn't need elaborating: the abuses of the Saudi regime that we ignore or apologise for, the continued belligerance in Afghanistan - with all its destructive futility, and of course, set the tone for the next wars.

You have been lying for Islam for years. How to account for that?

Looks like there's a consensus here, G. It's okay to tell porkies in one's campaign against the Muselman because the Muselman does it too.

Intelligence and integrity.

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Reply #58 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:32pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:22pm:

You really should be more tolerant about other people's beliefs.

I'm very tolerant of FD's right to lie in the name of criticising Islam and muslims. Good luck to him. And may he receive much ridicule and scorn for it.

But tolerance doesn't reqiure spinelessly apologising and deflecting for those lies. Tolerance can also involve exposing those lies and pointing out the dishonesty of the person making those lies.

I will also warn of the dangers of lying, and that they are not just a pendatic nitpicking exercise. Bush I had the babies in the incubators howler, Howard had Saddam's human shredder. Both those lies mattered - they both undeniably galvanised the public into supporting military action. Now its FD's turn - and it is every bit as sinister and dangerous. He introduced it in response to the notion that Saudi Arabia was just as bad as the taliban in terms of treatment of women. The context of this was that FD thinks overthrowing the taliban was a no-brainer, on humanitarian grounds, yet there are no such grounds in relation to the Saudi regime. The subtext of this position should be pretty obvious - the US invaded and overthrew the taliban, whereas the Saudi regime remains untouchable. And so FD constructs his own ideological position around that reality - the west dispatched the taliban, that must have been right and proper, therefore the taliban are the worst. Yet the west continue to bend over to the Saudis - therefore this must be right and proper, meaning the Saudis mustn't be as bad.

Lies of course are central to maintaining this wholly untennable position: deny that the systematic abuses and persecution of Saudi women is taking place, and invent the most outlandish porkies about what the taliban did to little girls.

The implications of these lies shouldn't need elaborating: the abuses of the Saudi regime that we ignore or apologise for, the continued belligerance in Afghanistan - with all its destructive futility, and of course, set the tone for the next wars.

You have been lying for Islam for years. How to account for that?

Looks like there's a consensus here, G. It's okay to tell porkies in one's campaign against the Muselman because the Muselman does it too.

Intelligence and integrity.

Stupid git.

You are the Keyzar Trad to Gandalf's Sheik Al Hilarity. Always popping up, unbidden, interpreting, explaining, lying and misrepresenting as the need arises in your self-appointed Pakistani mind.

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Reply #59 - Aug 31^st, 2019 at 8:44pm

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:32pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:10pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 7:01pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:58pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 31^st, 2019 at 12:22pm:

You really should be more tolerant about other people's beliefs.

I'm very tolerant of FD's right to lie in the name of criticising Islam and muslims. Good luck to him. And may he receive much ridicule and scorn for it.

But tolerance doesn't reqiure spinelessly apologising and deflecting for those lies. Tolerance can also involve exposing those lies and pointing out the dishonesty of the person making those lies.

I will also warn of the dangers of lying, and that they are not just a pendatic nitpicking exercise. Bush I had the babies in the incubators howler, Howard had Saddam's human shredder. Both those lies mattered - they both undeniably galvanised the public into supporting military action. Now its FD's turn - and it is every bit as sinister and dangerous. He introduced it in response to the notion that Saudi Arabia was just as bad as the taliban in terms of treatment of women. The context of this was that FD thinks overthrowing the taliban was a no-brainer, on humanitarian grounds, yet there are no such grounds in relation to the Saudi regime. The subtext of this position should be pretty obvious - the US invaded and overthrew the taliban, whereas the Saudi regime remains untouchable. And so FD constructs his own ideological position around that reality - the west dispatched the taliban, that must have been right and proper, therefore the taliban are the worst. Yet the west continue to bend over to the Saudis - therefore this must be right and proper, meaning the Saudis mustn't be as bad.

Lies of course are central to maintaining this wholly untennable position: deny that the systematic abuses and persecution of Saudi women is taking place, and invent the most outlandish porkies about what the taliban did to little girls.

The implications of these lies shouldn't need elaborating: the abuses of the Saudi regime that we ignore or apologise for, the continued belligerance in Afghanistan - with all its destructive futility, and of course, set the tone for the next wars.

You have been lying for Islam for years. How to account for that?

Looks like there's a consensus here, G. It's okay to tell porkies in one's campaign against the Muselman because the Muselman does it too.

Intelligence and integrity.

Stupid git.

You are the Keyzar Trad to Gandalf's Sheik Al Hilarity. Always popping up, unbidden, interpreting, explaining, lying and misrepresenting as the need arises in your self-appointed Pakistani mind.

And strangely enough, I'm not even Pakistani.

Intelligence and integrity. Always absolutely never ever.

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