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Reply #105 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm
 
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.
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Reply #106 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:00am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:19pm:
rhino wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:34am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:55am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:47am:
It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.


"I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example."

You were given two.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c924b622b71a51d0c4aa21760c69b9f3/tenor.gif


From 2012, apparently.

Meanwhile, we frequently see reports of women and children killed in the newspaper in situations where the mother should have seen it coming.


Authorities were warned and shown threats from the father who murdered his son whilst they did nothing....
theres no evidence that anyone was "shown threats"  , you just made that up.


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Even in the moment Dillon took Bradyn away he was still threatening the mother with violence, making a gesture that suggested he was going to slice her throat as he took Bradyn away, she said.

Dillon is serving 36 years in prison after pleading guilty to Bradyn’s murder.

The inquest has heard Dillon’s treatment of the boy amounted to “torture” as he had subjected him to repeated physical abuse described as “brutal and cowardly”.

The mother said she had shown officers at Shepparton Police Station in Victoria photos of bullets and a gun sent by Dillon to her in December 2014.

He had posted the photos on Facebook accompanied by the message: ”Christmas presents for you … tick tock bitch”.

She told the inquest officers told her they did not want to “touch” her case as it dealt with federal jurisdiction.

“I wanted (the police) to help,” she said. “Someone was going to end up dead.”

She tried reaching out to child protection agencies in Victoria and the ACT, the Australian Federal Police, lawyers and various courts to alert them to Dillon’s violence but ultimately he maintained custody over Bradyn.


Huh Huh Huh
So she didnt "show threats" at all as i said. She alleged threats were made, 2 different things. Like I said, you really need to stop focusing on the emotion and read the actual factual information supplied.
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Reply #107 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:04am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.
The applicant needs to be an adult, children cannot be applicants for VROs. The childrens names are generally mentioned with the applicants, i.e. in this case the mother.
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Reply #108 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:54am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:42pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:15pm:
So in what sense did she 'remove' the order?

Does the crown put separation orders on people who actually want to live together?


You remove an order by going to court and requesting it. A magistrate decides.

There are no separation orders. The crown (police, courts) can only put an AVO in place to prevent a "victim" from a "defendent" or "suspect".

I've seen it time and time again between parents and their kids. A child often has to move out because of an AVO his parents haven't requested.

It's quite common for police to get sick of being called out to arguments and just whack an AVO in place.

This is also a stock standard police response to allegations of sibling sexual abuse.

Apart from traffic duty, policing is almost entirely domestic now. Like it or not, the government have been dragged into the family home. Police have been forced to become social workers, and It's not usually a job they enjoy doing.


**coughs** the government wasn't dragged into the family home - it leapt into the fray with both feet... it's a policy with an agenda....

The agenda is 'there is no power outside of government'... and (you have none).... and 'all right to violence resides with the government'.....  **coughs**  **coughs**
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Reply #109 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:55am
 
rhino wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:04am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.
The applicant needs to be an adult, children cannot be applicants for VROs. The childrens names are generally mentioned with the applicants, i.e. in this case the mother.



The courts should listen to children..... they actually know what is best for them....  **coughs**.. which is both parents acting like adults for a change....
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Reply #110 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:09am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.


Indeed. An exclusionary AVO would of course have that effect. Usually, the cops start with the standard one not to "threaten, intimidate or harass". It would apply to his partner, as cops don't muck around with any alleged abuse of kids.

A stepdad alleged to have sexually abused his kids would be given an automatic exclusionary AVO.

I know of a father who had an exclusionary AVO slapped on him by his daughter. She told her teacher that she feared going home after she lost some keys and upset her dad.

What would he do?

She didn't know, she just didn't "feel safe". She came from a strict Hindu family.

Has he hit you before?

No, but he was so angry he might.

The school called the cops. 

Dad couldn't go within a hundred meters of his daughter until it made court, a few weeks later. By then, the cops had calmed down. But by then, the daughter was refusing to go home. She'd moved in with her boyfriend and his family. Worse, she'd gotten pregnant. She was 14.

Dad wanted his daughter home, but he wasn't allowed to know anything due to "confidentiality".

Then the girl told all these porkies about her older brother getting her up the duff, even though he was in India at the time. She pretended she didnt know how you get pregnant.

Dad wasn't told any of this. He got a lawyer writing letters to everybody. Nothing happened. His daughter refused to return home. Child Protection got involved. It was a right old mess.

But this is the world of modern policing. The state does indeed get involved in micromanaging its citizens' lives, and these stories are becoming more and more common.
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Reply #111 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:11am
 
I blame Islam.
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Reply #112 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:13am
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:09am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.


Indeed. An exclusionary AVO would of course have that effect. Usually, the cops start with the standard one not to "threaten, intimidate or harass". It would apply to his partner, as cops don't muck around with any alleged abuse of kids.

A stepdad alleged to have sexually abused his kids would be given an automatic exclusionary AVO.

I know of a father who had an exclusionary AVO slapped on him by his daughter. She told her teacher that she feared going home after she lost some keys and upset her dad.

What would he do?

She didn't know, she just didn't "feel safe". She came from a strict Hindu family.

Has he hit you before?

No, but he was so angry he might.

The school called the cops. 

Dad couldn't go within a hundred meters of his daughter until it made court, a few weeks later. By then, the cops had calmed down. But by then, the daughter was refusing to go home. She'd moved in with her boyfriend and his family. Worse, she'd gotten pregnant. She was 14.

Dad wanted his daughter home, but he wasn't allowed to know anything due to "confidentiality".

Then the girl told all these porkies about her older brother getting her up the duff, even though he was in India at the time. She pretended she didnt know how you get pregnant.

Dad wasn't told any of this. He got a lawyer writing letters to everybody. Nothing happened. His daughter refused to return home. Child Protection got involved. It was a right old mess.

But this is the world of modern policing. The state does indeed get involved in micromanaging its citizens' lives, and these stories are becoming more and more common.
You need to stay off the booze and stop posting bullsh!te.
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Reply #113 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:17am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:55am:
rhino wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:04am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.
The applicant needs to be an adult, children cannot be applicants for VROs. The childrens names are generally mentioned with the applicants, i.e. in this case the mother.



The courts should listen to children..... they actually know what is best for them....  **coughs**.. which is both parents acting like adults for a change....
child protection agencies are meant to care for the welfare of at risk children, this makes it difficult if the woman is indicating there is no risk to their child by removing a VRO which may protect that child.
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Reply #114 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:18am
 
But that's just me.
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Reply #115 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:20am
 
rhino wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:13am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:09am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.


Indeed. An exclusionary AVO would of course have that effect. Usually, the cops start with the standard one not to "threaten, intimidate or harass". It would apply to his partner, as cops don't muck around with any alleged abuse of kids.

A stepdad alleged to have sexually abused his kids would be given an automatic exclusionary AVO.

I know of a father who had an exclusionary AVO slapped on him by his daughter. She told her teacher that she feared going home after she lost some keys and upset her dad.

What would he do?

She didn't know, she just didn't "feel safe". She came from a strict Hindu family.

Has he hit you before?

No, but he was so angry he might.

The school called the cops. 

Dad couldn't go within a hundred meters of his daughter until it made court, a few weeks later. By then, the cops had calmed down. But by then, the daughter was refusing to go home. She'd moved in with her boyfriend and his family. Worse, she'd gotten pregnant. She was 14.

Dad wanted his daughter home, but he wasn't allowed to know anything due to "confidentiality".

Then the girl told all these porkies about her older brother getting her up the duff, even though he was in India at the time. She pretended she didnt know how you get pregnant.

Dad wasn't told any of this. He got a lawyer writing letters to everybody. Nothing happened. His daughter refused to return home. Child Protection got involved. It was a right old mess.

But this is the world of modern policing. The state does indeed get involved in micromanaging its citizens' lives, and these stories are becoming more and more common.
You need to stay off the booze and stop posting bullsh!te.


Muslims don't drink, dear. We care for the children.
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Reply #116 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:37am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:54am:
Karnal wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:42pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:15pm:
So in what sense did she 'remove' the order?

Does the crown put separation orders on people who actually want to live together?


You remove an order by going to court and requesting it. A magistrate decides.

There are no separation orders. The crown (police, courts) can only put an AVO in place to prevent a "victim" from a "defendent" or "suspect".

I've seen it time and time again between parents and their kids. A child often has to move out because of an AVO his parents haven't requested.

It's quite common for police to get sick of being called out to arguments and just whack an AVO in place.

This is also a stock standard police response to allegations of sibling sexual abuse.

Apart from traffic duty, policing is almost entirely domestic now. Like it or not, the government have been dragged into the family home. Police have been forced to become social workers, and It's not usually a job they enjoy doing.


**coughs** the government wasn't dragged into the family home - it leapt into the fray with both feet... it's a policy with an agenda....

The agenda is 'there is no power outside of government'... and (you have none).... and 'all right to violence resides with the government'.....  **coughs**  **coughs**


I don't think so. The government were dragged into dealing with domestic violence. Child Protection is another thing the government became unwillingly responsible for - this was previously managed by the Christian charities.

Politicians like wearing hard hats and turning over the first shovelful of soil on a road project.  Nothing turns voters off more than hearing about a whole lot of complicated social issues the government are getting stuck into. Keep it simple. Nice. Breezy.

Domestic violence and child protection are never good news. All governments can do here is  try to hose down horror stories in the media.

No one cares about white papers or implementing the findings of royal commissions. Then, if you finally do lower crime and DV and child abuse, no one ever notices. There will always be another child death on the front page of the Tele. There will always be another underage Muslim marriage scandal.

Politicians aren't too different to everybody else, dear. Plenty of them just want to blame Islam and call it quits too.
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Reply #117 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 5:07am
 
The problem with AVOs is tgat too many were issues simply because the woman wanted to get back at a husband/boyfriend.

After awhile, so many were issues that it was impossible to tell the legitimate from the bull shite.
With the vast majority being bull shite.

So the real ones, the ones where someone was genuinely in danger, all get lumped together, and are lost in the flood.
The cops chase around after ghosts and after a while become complacent.

AVOs should be looked at much more closely.
If one is brought against someone and it's crap, the person wasting the courts time should be charged.

Perhaps then, the genuine ones will actually save some lives.
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Reply #118 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 7:28am
 
rhino wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:00am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:19pm:
rhino wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:34am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:13am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:35am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:55am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 9:47am:
It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.


"I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example."

You were given two.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c924b622b71a51d0c4aa21760c69b9f3/tenor.gif


From 2012, apparently.

Meanwhile, we frequently see reports of women and children killed in the newspaper in situations where the mother should have seen it coming.


Authorities were warned and shown threats from the father who murdered his son whilst they did nothing....
theres no evidence that anyone was "shown threats"  , you just made that up.


From the OP....

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Even in the moment Dillon took Bradyn away he was still threatening the mother with violence, making a gesture that suggested he was going to slice her throat as he took Bradyn away, she said.

Dillon is serving 36 years in prison after pleading guilty to Bradyn’s murder.

The inquest has heard Dillon’s treatment of the boy amounted to “torture” as he had subjected him to repeated physical abuse described as “brutal and cowardly”.

The mother said she had shown officers at Shepparton Police Station in Victoria photos of bullets and a gun sent by Dillon to her in December 2014.

He had posted the photos on Facebook accompanied by the message: ”Christmas presents for you … tick tock bitch”.

She told the inquest officers told her they did not want to “touch” her case as it dealt with federal jurisdiction.

“I wanted (the police) to help,” she said. “Someone was going to end up dead.”

She tried reaching out to child protection agencies in Victoria and the ACT, the Australian Federal Police, lawyers and various courts to alert them to Dillon’s violence but ultimately he maintained custody over Bradyn.


Huh Huh Huh
So she didnt "show threats" at all as i said. She alleged threats were made, 2 different things. Like I said, you really need to stop focusing on the emotion and read the actual factual information supplied.


So you believe this bloke never made any threats and the woman was lying about him (really)....You need to accept the fact the death of this child is a result of his father's actions not those of the mother....Why did Government authorities apologise to the woman if her story was fake....Nobody has challenged her story apart from a few woman haters like you???

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Today ACT Government lawyers apologised to Bradyn's mother in person, and asked her how things could have been different.

The court heard Dillon had taken out a domestic violence order in Canberra to keep his son from his mother, but that when she tried to counter that she was stumped by the system


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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-04/bradyn-dillons-mother-says-family-fell-th...
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Reply #119 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 7:58am
 
rhino wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 1:17am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:55am:
rhino wrote on Sep 6th, 2019 at 12:04am:
freediver wrote on Sep 5th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
If they put an AVO on a stepfather to keep him away from the kids, it basically forces him and the mother to separate.
The applicant needs to be an adult, children cannot be applicants for VROs. The childrens names are generally mentioned with the applicants, i.e. in this case the mother.



The courts should listen to children..... they actually know what is best for them....  **coughs**.. which is both parents acting like adults for a change....
child protection agencies are meant to care for the welfare of at risk children, this makes it difficult if the woman is indicating there is no risk to their child by removing a VRO which may protect that child.




what makes it so hard for you to understand this rhino...

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She obtained a protection order for her and Bradyn in Victoria but dropped it after Dillon promised to return Bradyn if she did so.

He never did.



he promised to return the boy to her if she dropped it..


what would you have done??????????????????????????

no one else listened to her.......


so tell us rhino   what would you have done if you were between a rock and a hard place like she was..


she was weak I get that  but did she deserve this treatment?....
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