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Reply #60 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:53pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 8:31pm:

The one person who deserves the blame is not even being mentioned by these idiots

and yet you spent all this time blaming the mum for removing the vro Cheesy

yes, I can see why you find this subject hilarious. Why arent you on Facebook trolling some 16 year old.

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Reply #61 - Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:56pm

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

That piece of paper is a threat of jail if he does not obey. And if that doesn't work, he ends up in jail.

I think you will find many many many break the rules of their dvo.avo. and not a thing is done about it....

Sure they do because many of the females who take out the VRo break it themselves. Not the point though, if the VRO is breached and the police are made aware they will arrest.

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many women are dead and also children because these dvos dont work....and the thugs know it..

does a threat of a speeding fine stop speedsters????...

i DONT THINK SO...

villains do not believe in rules or laws....they enjoy breaking them..

Wrong Cods, VROs do work. They just arent some sort of crystal ball and magical spell which automatically prevents future crime. That is not the intent of a VRO.

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Reply #62 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 7:28am

mothra wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:32pm:

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

Everyone the mother turned too did nothing and allowed this boy to remain in danger and it is the mothers fault the father killed his son....Why would anyone bother going to authorities to be ignored....The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Angry

You need to read the whole article instead of focusing on the emotional click bait. The man had care of the child, the woman had a VRO in place for her and the child which would have seen him refused custody and access. She removed the VRO. Of course the agencies she was screaming to ignored her, she herself took away the only tool they could use. . Be a critical thinker and ask yourself questions.

The mother was right and the father killed their son whilst authorities did SFA???

Roll Eyes

The VRO would have ensured at least she got sole custody of the child and at the most he would have had supervised access. She removed the VRO. VRO's are not useless, it means if they are breached the police have the power to arrest the person named. The legal avenue that was given to her to gain sole access to her child was removed by herself.

have you ever read Rosey Bates story? perhaps you should.

Our shovel-wielding odd-toed ungulate (mistakenly) believes that a VRO has the ability to actually stop someone from doing something.

sadly as I have already said... so do a lot of women..

it it can and does in fact stir them into action....

rhino sadly believes they work...

but he doesnt take into account the type of man she and the boy were dealing with...and by the look of this case neither did any of the authorities.... Sad

I am sad beyond belief to be honest.

The sad fact is that most of these agencies are understaffed, under-resourced and overworked.

And (you're not going to like this Cods) the Coalition government have been slashing and burning for the better part of two decades.

Couple that with burnout of experienced workers leading to a relatively young work force (burn out for CPA workers is about 3 years), we simply do not have enough competent and discerning workers to handle the magnitude of the problem our society is facing.

And i sgree, it's enough to despair.

Yes .... and across a lot of other social service agencies.

As it seems both parents are/were meth heads it wouldn't have been unreasonable to remove the child from either parents custody ...
sadly it seems there is another younger child in the picture as well.

And removal by govt agency also brings along another possible outcome for the child of being passed around from foster home to foster home adding more pressure to their mental state & consequent behaviours.

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Reply #63 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:17am

rhino wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 11:56pm:

cods wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 10:23pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 4^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:

That piece of paper is a threat of jail if he does not obey. And if that doesn't work, he ends up in jail.

I think you will find many many many break the rules of their dvo.avo. and not a thing is done about it....

Sure they do because many of the females who take out the VRo break it themselves. Not the point though, if the VRO is breached and the police are made aware they will arrest.

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many women are dead and also children because these dvos dont work....and the thugs know it..

does a threat of a speeding fine stop speedsters????...

i DONT THINK SO...

villains do not believe in rules or laws....they enjoy breaking them..

Wrong Cods, VROs do work. They just arent some sort of crystal ball and magical spell which automatically prevents future crime. That is not the intent of a VRO.

seriously

HOW MANY WOMEN ARE DEAD MATE AFTER TAKING OUT VROS... ARE YOU SUGGESTING ALL THOSE WOMEN DIDNT TAKE THAT STEP BEFORE DYING...a very violent death I might add.

sorry about caps...

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Reply #64 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:21am

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HOW MANY WOMEN ARE DEAD MATE AFTER TAKING OUT VROS... ARE YOU SUGGESTING ALL THOSE WOMEN DIDNT TAKE THAT STEP BEFORE DYING...a very violent death I might add.

I doubt it is many cods. Can you give one example?

On the other hand, there are plenty who have died when it could have been prevented with a restraining order, such as this child.

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Reply #65 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:27am

the coalition govt that appears to get the blame for everything...asked all agencies to be accountable...they all get budgets yet few know how to spend them with the best effect.....

our child care workers have as much skill and training s our aged care workers.... it is half the problem....

a copper and a teacher are not trained to be child care workers....and yet we expect them to see and report to help other agencies do their job....

a child dying at the hands of a brutal parent.... should send shudders through everyone of us....yet most seem concerned about a VRO that would have prevented this childs torture... somehow.... Roll Eyes

I am surprised no one has blamed the child he was 9 after all why didnt he just run away?....

all I can think about is the utter fear that child lived in and only his mum tried to stop it. and now its her fault hes dead... Cry

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Reply #66 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:32am

In 2011-2012 WA Police recorded 1,949 breaches of a protection order.

That's just one state, in one year.

http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Parliament/commit.nsf/luInquiryPublicSubmissions...

That figure suggests there would have been around 20,000 breaches in Australia in 2011-2012.

And that's just the ones which are reported.

As many as half of all breaches are not reported.

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Reply #68 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:59am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:21am:

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HOW MANY WOMEN ARE DEAD MATE AFTER TAKING OUT VROS... ARE YOU SUGGESTING ALL THOSE WOMEN DIDNT TAKE THAT STEP BEFORE DYING...a very violent death I might add.

I doubt it is many cods. Can you give one example?

On the other hand, there are plenty who have died when it could have been prevented with a restraining order, such as this child.

https://www.qt.com.au/news/just-25-of-thugs-who-breach-dvos-go-to-jail/3120658/

MORE than 24,000 Queensland family abuse thugs breached domestic violence orders in the past 28 months, but only a quarter of these perpetrators spent any time in jail.

The shocking statistics have spurred calls for courts to show no mercy to offenders who repeatedly harass, stalk, abuse and intimidate their victims.

An ARM Newsdesk examination of Queensland Government data reveals that 24,178 people were sentenced for DVO breach offences from July, 2014 to October 2016.

However, only 6380 of those offenders spent any time behind bars for disregarding court orders.

Just over 8720 Queenslanders breached DVOs in the 2014-15 financial year and 2206 of those offenders were jailed as a result.

In 2015-16, there was a massive increase in breaches with 11,225 offenders caught and 3094 jailed.

So far this financial year, 4226 abusers have breached DVOs and 1080 of those have been jailed.

According to Queensland Police, the number of domestic and family violence applications increased 19% from 25,143 in 2014-15 to 29,938 in 2015-16.

DVO offenders can be jailed for three to five years.

Front-line domestic violence workers believe more than 65 Australian women have lost their lives as a result of intimate partner or family violence this year.

Research shows that domestic violence order breaches are often precursors to family violence murders.

Women's Legal Service Queensland co-ordinator Angela Lynch said a lot of breaches were not being taken seriously by authorities.

"Our clients are reporting to us problems in getting breaches acted upon or taken seriously," Ms Lynch said.

as you know fd its almost impossible to get those stats

but read the above and remember thats QLD ONLY...

we have a HUGE PROBLEM in this country fd.....

you seriously believe a women living with DV would not go to the police..who would advocate a DVO...and lead the women to believe it will stop the violence... Roll Eyes

,,may as well fly a kite.. it wont stop anything either.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Australian SHAME. Reply #69 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:10am I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example. The OP is an example of a child dying as a result of a restraining order being voluntarily withdrawn.
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Reply #70 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:14am

"A 54-year-old man has appeared in court, charged in connection with the death of a Bullsbrook woman earlier this week.

"Roma Pollit, 60, was found dead in her home on Wednesday night.

"Mark Hill appeared in the Kalgoorlie Magistrates Court via video link from Esperance, where he was charged with causing grievous bodily harm.

"He was remanded in custody to appear in the Stirling Gardens Magistrates Court in Perth later this month.

"It has been revealed Ms Pollit had taken out a Violence Restraining Order against her former partner ..."

Man charged over death of Bullsbrook woman

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Reply #72 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:16am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

"A 54-year-old man has appeared in court, charged in connection with the death of a Bullsbrook woman earlier this week.

"Roma Pollit, 60, was found dead in her home on Wednesday night.

"Mark Hill appeared in the Kalgoorlie Magistrates Court via video link from Esperance, where he was charged with causing grievous bodily harm.

"He was remanded in custody to appear in the Stirling Gardens Magistrates Court in Perth later this month.

"It has been revealed Ms Pollit had taken out a Violence Restraining Order against her former partner ..."

Man charged over death of Bullsbrook woman

"The violent death of a woman in Melbourne last month has highlighted systemic flaws in the use of restraining orders designed to protect women from abuse.

"Last month, around the same time Australians were horrified by the murder of Melbourne woman Jill Meagher, another woman was also killed in the city.

"But her death went largely unnoticed.

Sargun Ragi, 23, appeared in court shortly before her death to extend a restraining order against her husband, Avjit Singh."

Violent death prompts restraining order rethink

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Australian SHAME. Reply #73 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:17am freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:10am: I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example. The OP is an example of a child dying as a result of a restraining order being voluntarily withdrawn. was it the result of it being WITHDRAWN ! are you sure?....the man had custody of the child....
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Reply #74 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

"A 54-year-old man has appeared in court, charged in connection with the death of a Bullsbrook woman earlier this week.

"Roma Pollit, 60, was found dead in her home on Wednesday night.

"Mark Hill appeared in the Kalgoorlie Magistrates Court via video link from Esperance, where he was charged with causing grievous bodily harm.

"He was remanded in custody to appear in the Stirling Gardens Magistrates Court in Perth later this month.

"It has been revealed Ms Pollit had taken out a Violence Restraining Order against her former partner ..."

Man charged over death of Bullsbrook woman

"The violent death of a woman in Melbourne last month has highlighted systemic flaws in the use of restraining orders designed to protect women from abuse.

"Last month, around the same time Australians were horrified by the murder of Melbourne woman Jill Meagher, another woman was also killed in the city.

"But her death went largely unnoticed.

Sargun Ragi, 23, appeared in court shortly before her death to extend a restraining order against her husband, Avjit Singh."

Violent death prompts restraining order rethink

greg when you read only 25% of those who BREACH DVOs face any kind of retribution you know a system isnt working.....

the police are helpless when it comes to these pieces of paper.....they are meaningless...as most are dealing with psychos who cannot be reasoned with......

these guys dont fear the police or the law...in fact they see them as a reason to get even madder at the spouse who triggered it...

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