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Reply #75 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:28am

cods wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:22am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

"A 54-year-old man has appeared in court, charged in connection with the death of a Bullsbrook woman earlier this week.

"Roma Pollit, 60, was found dead in her home on Wednesday night.

"Mark Hill appeared in the Kalgoorlie Magistrates Court via video link from Esperance, where he was charged with causing grievous bodily harm.

"He was remanded in custody to appear in the Stirling Gardens Magistrates Court in Perth later this month.

"It has been revealed Ms Pollit had taken out a Violence Restraining Order against her former partner ..."

Man charged over death of Bullsbrook woman

"The violent death of a woman in Melbourne last month has highlighted systemic flaws in the use of restraining orders designed to protect women from abuse.

"Last month, around the same time Australians were horrified by the murder of Melbourne woman Jill Meagher, another woman was also killed in the city.

"But her death went largely unnoticed.

Sargun Ragi, 23, appeared in court shortly before her death to extend a restraining order against her husband, Avjit Singh."

Violent death prompts restraining order rethink

greg when you read only 25% of those who BREACH DVOs face any kind of retribution you know a system isnt working.....

the police are helpless when it comes to these pieces of paper.....they are meaningless...as most are dealing with psychos who cannot be reasoned with......

these guys dont fear the police or the law...in fact they see them as a reason to get even madder at the spouse who triggered it...

I agree with you 100%.

From everything I've observed, they're not worth the paper they're written on.

And yes, they often trigger an angry visit that would not have otherwise occurred.

They're kind of like a padlock on a gate: when you and I (law-abiding citizens) see one, we don't try to enter through that gate. We just walk on by.

When a criminal sees one though, they cut off the padlock and walk right through.

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Reply #76 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:30am

cods wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:17am:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:10am:

I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example. The OP is an example of a child dying as a result of a restraining order being voluntarily withdrawn.

was it the result of it being WITHDRAWN ! are you sure?....the man had custody of the child....

Far more sure than you can be that a restraining order has ever caused a death.

Greg, your example was from 2012.

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greg when you read only 25% of those who BREACH DVOs face any kind of retribution you know a system isnt working....

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That depends on whether you see the goal as retribution or prevention.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136424 Gender:	Re: Australian SHAME. Reply #77 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:34am freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:30am: Greg, your example was from 2012. Both of my examples are from 2012. Is there something about that year that was unusual?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: Australian SHAME. Reply #78 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:47am It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.
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Reply #79 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:51am

Now, now, children - let's not turn the shameful murder of a child by a drug lunatic animal into some form of over-reaching jihad against men in society - you all KNOW by now that every time you start down this track, the rights of the individual are pruned back further and further, and an atmosphere of 'attack first just in case' is installed in the forces of law, leading to oft-time gross injustices and violence writ large...

Let's stick with 'lunatic drug addict deserving of life without kills nine year old' ..... and stop perpetuating and promoting the war between men and women wrought by self-interested governments ....

Violence begets violence - and applying violence in the 'Minority Report' style in advance of any actual wrongdoing (as DV 'laws' do) is a sure recipe for retaliation and escalating violence.... but stoopid is as stoopid does...

When we are talking about an 'imbalance of power within relationships' - what positive difference is there from handing to one side absolute power on whim?

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Reply #81 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:57am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 8:21am:

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HOW MANY WOMEN ARE DEAD MATE AFTER TAKING OUT VROS... ARE YOU SUGGESTING ALL THOSE WOMEN DIDNT TAKE THAT STEP BEFORE DYING...a very violent death I might add.

I doubt it is many cods. Can you give one example?

On the other hand, there are plenty who have died when it could have been prevented with a restraining order, such as this child.

The causes are many - sometimes there is no DVO, sometimes the application of an unwarranted DVO is the cause of the outbreak of violence (since such an application is itself an act of violence) - human nature rejects injustice....

When will you all earn - you cannot control or channel violence (or insanity) by using violence of the courts and their storm troopers.... you cannot prevent bullying by bullying... all you are doing is demonstrating in no uncertain terms that might makes right and that might can also make wrong, and that there is nothing to be gained from NOT using violence as the norm to resolve problems - since the example is right there for you when the courts beat down your door...

You'll get it one day.... meantime the war rages on ..... sheer waste and I hold politicians responsible for sucking up to the 'feminist' lobby and using this 'male v female violence' as a tool for gaining and securing power unto themselves by eroding legal rights and imposing assault by the state on whim and without proof.

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Reply #82 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.

"I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example."

You were given two.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c924b622b71a51d0c4aa21760c69b9f3/tenor.gif

From 2012, apparently.

Meanwhile, we frequently see reports of women and children killed in the newspaper in situations where the mother should have seen it coming.

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Reply #83 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:38am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.

fd do you think the authorities who come up with the idea a piece of paper will prevent more violence...

want everyone to know those murdered took out a DVO......this would be costing the country a fortune in wasted time... the police can only work AFTER THE CRIME....the fact someone has to take OUT one of these deterrents.. Roll Eyes

speaks volumes ..

mate hes given me a black eye what can I do..

" oh hang on I can write out a piece of paper and that will stop it for sure ."

problem solved...

if they worked fd... we would have a AVO for everything.....

Teachers would be delighted to have them I am sure...

what about health workers ? they are fed up with being assaulted as well.

hey! I might have the answer to all aggression..

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Reply #84 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:41am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.

"I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example."

You were given two.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c924b622b71a51d0c4aa21760c69b9f3/tenor.gif

From 2012, apparently.

Meanwhile, we frequently see reports of women and children killed in the newspaper in situations where the mother should have seen it coming.

what do you think the AVO is about fd?..

its to keep the villain a long way away... that is what that piece of paper is MEANT TO DO>>

as we have proved it does nothing of the sort.. Angry

you might enjoy keeping this going.. but a child is dead in a most brutal way, and you seem to be ignoring that part of the thread....

we are not protecting the children......and the piece of paper doesnt even mention the children... Angry

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Reply #85 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:48am

cods wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:38am:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.

fd do you think the authorities who come up with the idea a piece of paper will prevent more violence...

want everyone to know those murdered took out a DVO......this would be costing the country a fortune in wasted time... the police can only work AFTER THE CRIME....the fact someone has to take OUT one of these deterrents.. Roll Eyes

speaks volumes ..

mate hes given me a black eye what can I do..

" oh hang on I can write out a piece of paper and that will stop it for sure ."

problem solved...

if they worked fd... we would have a AVO for everything.....

Teachers would be delighted to have them I am sure...

what about health workers ? they are fed up with being assaulted as well.

hey! I might have the answer to all aggression..

It's not just a piece of paper though is it cods? People do actually end up in jail for breaching them.

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Reply #86 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:55am

well almost none end up in jail for breaching just for murder. fd....in fact one case the mum was murdered on the steps of the court she was waiting to enter to give evidence against him..... he was so full of hate he bragged about it...

what do you think about health workers taking out AVOs fd... you have so much faith in them...they could just wave a massive AVO order at their patients and they all crumble.....

come on you would have to agree with that...you think its more than apiece of paper....it would in fact work in every case....

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barryfromthebush Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 702 Bum Chum Gender:	Re: Australian SHAME. Reply #87 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 11:06am I remember being at primary school and you always knew who the other kids were that were beaten and abused at home, my mum and dad used to always be giving us extra lunch and morning tea to give to the kids they knew whose parents were heroin junkies and were not feeding the kids. Its just a terrible situation.
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Reply #88 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 11:13am

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 10:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

It just doesn't make it seem that prevalent when you have to go that far back in time for an example.

"I didn't ask for stats. I asked for an example."

You were given two.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c924b622b71a51d0c4aa21760c69b9f3/tenor.gif

From 2012, apparently.

Meanwhile, we frequently see reports of women and children killed in the newspaper in situations where the mother should have seen it coming.

Authorities were warned and shown threats from the father who murdered his son whilst they did nothing....What else do you expect these woman to do mate???

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Reply #89 - Sep 5^th, 2019 at 11:16am

barryfromthebush wrote on Sep 5^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

I remember being at primary school and you always knew who the other kids were that were beaten and abused at home, my mum and dad used to always be giving us extra lunch and morning tea to give to the kids they knew whose parents were heroin junkies and were not feeding the kids.

Its just a terrible situation.

I am pleased to say I never experienced anything like that....I dont know if any of my grandkids have, this is all new to me drugs and killing children.....never in all my life did I ever come across anything like we see now.

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