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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #60 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:29am

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

it wont be long before the BIG M will dominate the highways of Mt Everest.... gotta happen its gotta happen...... can they get WiFi up there do you know????

Yes they can get WiFi up there. There is also mass line-ups in the summit stage with hundreds of climbers waiting to take their turn for a 'Selfie'. 12 died from conditions just this year - waiting their turn.
I've been up around Everest. It's a rubbish dump of epic proportions.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47393 Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #61 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:35am We all know what Monolith the Whitey Man holds sacred. (As Stanley said "The Monolith symbolises the TV, the Cinema and now the Computer and how many a Man has become entirely dependent on them for survival." )
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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #63 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:55am

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 7:36am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 10:03pm:

cods wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 9:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 8:38pm:

Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go. One of them happens to be Uluru now. Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock. They decide who climbs and who doesn't. Otherwise, why were they granted land rights? Cool

Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?

I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..

My house is not public land, Cods. Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink

Under supervision, Cods, under supervision. Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned. Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it. Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous. Why aren't they willing to accept her word? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree with this decision Roll Eyes

they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers" climbing the harbour bridge.. Roll Eyes

but no not all could climb Uluru.. an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger.. Sad

"Strangers" are people not known to the Traditional Owners/Proprietors of Uluru. Tourists who just drive up and start climbing the Rock. I would have thought that was obvious. Is English not your first language, Cods? Roll Eyes

People who climb Sydney Harbour Bridge must pay an exhorbitent fee and be supervised during the climb. Their names must be known and their addresses as well. You should try it. It would do you good to get out of the house.

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Reply #64 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:58am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 1:11am:

So now national icons that are sacred to all real Australians are now the exclusive property of those who were never Australians before 'Invasion Day'... the day that eventually brought them roads, cars, hospitals, the dole, longer life, far lower infant mortality rate, better healthcare, support for those afflicted by the violence of the strongest ape, sewerage, fishing rods and boats, guns to shoot kangaroos..... not to mention urbanising them so as to aid in the recovery of the native animals they claim to have been 'husbanding' for thousands of years.... more farken goannas now then when Blackey ran the show.... nobody farken burns off swathes of bush to toast snakes and goannas and such for the supper table... now we've got Farken WAR burning off the bush to attack Whartey like that dopey Aboriginal chick in Melbadishu said while she was feasting off Whartey's table.......

Oh... and BTW.. "Invasion Day" gave them the opportunity to even claim Ayers Rock as some 'secred site, mete'.... wihout 'Invasion day' it would be open slather for anyone who could get past the spears of the local itinerants.... not that anyone with sense would want to wander out there anyway...

Actually, Indigenous Australians were not counted as "Australians" until 27 May 1967, Graps. Please get your history right. Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:00am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 1:15am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 10:03pm:

cods wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 9:53pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 8:38pm:

Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go. One of them happens to be Uluru now. Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock. They decide who climbs and who doesn't. Otherwise, why were they granted land rights? Cool

Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?

I noticed he didnt list the roof of his house either..

My house is not public land, Cods. Roll Eyes

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and yes I do believe I read somewhere where you can climb the Syd Harbour Bridge....if you pay... Wink

Under supervision, Cods, under supervision. Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned. Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it. Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous. Why aren't they willing to accept her word? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

SO ........................ people can now climb Ayers Rock under supervision? Who'd have thunk it, given the current hand-over of a national icon to a group who mostly have no ties to the area and the ghetto fence around it?

Roll Eyes

They proved in Court their ties to Uluru, Graps. You can moan as much as you like but it doesn't make you correct. Roll Eyes

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Reply #66 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:01am

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:24am:

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 7:29am:

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 8:38pm:

Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go. One of them happens to be Uluru now. Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock. They decide who climbs and who doesn't. Otherwise, why were they granted land rights? Cool

Sydney Cathedral is man made
SHB is man made
MCG is man made

Who made Ayres Rock?

Immaterial. They are places where climbing, unsupervised, is prohibited, Gordon. When strangers are allowed to wander off the street and climb those places, get back to us. Roll Eyes

Are any of them off-limits because some group has projected spiritual significance onto them and used that as a basis to ban women from it, as well as men from the wrong racial groups?

bri bri doesnt think like that fd......hes too busy chest beating... Grin

they may have to instal more port a loos at the base now they cant climb..... Wink

The only explanation I have is that Brian think Aborigines and Muslims are so inferior to him that he has to give them a free pass, even when it comes to the government discarding separation of church and state and imposing sexist and racist exclusions on behalf of aborigines.

It's the soft bigotry of low expectations.

oh and theres me thinking he just likes to bleed all over his keyboard telling us over and over how wonderful he is and how evil everyone else is...

no one could possibly live up to that image he has of himself... Mr do-good...all from his couch of course. Wink

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I hate blowhards.....who ho really do believe they are the only ones who care... Roll Eyes

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Reply #67 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:09am

Gordon wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 6:26am:

Comparing climbing Ayres Rock to climbing the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It's a publicly paid for and critical piece of infrastructure and when people climb it, the police have to close the bridge and gridlock a huge city for half a day.

And for how many years was Sydney Harbour Bridge, this wonderful piece fof publically paid for architecture closed, Gordon? For most of it's existence. Uluru has been open to the public ever since it formed. I think it's time for the traditional owners to exert their influence and demand their rights. You're moaning 'cause you never leave Bondi anyways. You'll never visit Uluru. Roll Eyes

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Ayres Rock is just a natural land formation and is no different to any other big rock, hill or mountain. If there is a valid reason to stop people from climbing it, then those reasons should be applied to all rocks, hills or mountains.

The valid reason is 'cause it's sacred. No other hill or mountain is. You have to live with it. Your moaning and whinging is just that, moaning and whinging. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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I don't accept the notion that it's sacred, just as I don't accept any other rubbish from any other religion.

What you accept is immaterial.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47393 Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #68 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:10am Tens of thousands of NON-aboriginal racial affiliation, Australians. Don't like people climbing on Uluru. You don't need to be aboriginal to respect the place. Uluru is sacred to many NON-Aboriginals. Get the F*uck Off!
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Reply #69 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:10am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

Under supervision, Cods, under supervision. Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned. Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it. Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous. Why aren't they willing to accept her word? Mmmm?

gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree with this decision they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers" climbing the harbour bridge..

but no not all could climb Uluru.. an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger..

"Strangers" are people not known to the Traditional Owners/Proprietors of Uluru. Tourists who just drive up and start climbing the Rock. I would have thought that was obvious. Is English not your first language, Cods?

oh here we go Roll Eyes

I would imagine anyone bearing a white skin is a stranger to an aboriginal.. people like you have made that almost mandatory for them,...

and NO they do not just drive up and start climbing...they would have to have ambulances or the flying doctor. on standby if that was the case...

People who climb Sydney Harbour Bridge must pay an exhorbitent fee and be supervised during the climb. Their names must be known and their addresses as well. You should try it. It would do you good to get out of the house.

what proof do they have you are giving them your real details.must you show a birth cert or passport?...

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #70 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:11am Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 8:35am: I suspect this may backfire on the coons in the long run, a lot of whiteys will refuse to visit there on principle. Myself included. Bah Humbug. thats good then
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Reply #71 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:18am

cods wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:10am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 9:55am:

Under supervision, Cods, under supervision. Strangers are not allowed to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge or any other place I mentioned. Funny that, 'cause that is what some fools are demanding they being allowed to do on Uluru.

I am unsure why people who will more than likely never, ever climb Uluru are so upset by the idea that the Traditional Owners have decided to stop people climbing it. Pauline Hanson changer her mind after climbing part way and decided that climbing it was dangerous. Why aren't they willing to accept her word? Mmmm?

gawd bri you sure draw a long bow......

a few on here are upset and disagree with this decision they have no say anyway pet...so stop fussing.....I dont know what you mean by the word "strangers" climbing the harbour bridge..

but no not all could climb Uluru.. an overweight friend of mine was not allowed to....

dont know if that was because she was an overweight stranger..

"Strangers" are people not known to the Traditional Owners/Proprietors of Uluru. Tourists who just drive up and start climbing the Rock. I would have thought that was obvious. Is English not your first language, Cods?

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oh here we go Roll Eyes

Afraid of a valid question, Cods? I mean you can't even use the quote function. Do you need it explained to you? You've been using this webboard for how long? Roll Eyes

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I would imagine anyone bearing a white skin is a stranger to an aboriginal.. people like you have made that almost mandatory for them,...

Shows just how isolated you are, Cods. Roll Eyes

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and NO they do not just drive up and start climbing...they would have to have ambulances or the flying doctor. on standby if that was the case...

What do you think they have been doing? Roll Eyes

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People who climb Sydney Harbour Bridge must pay an exhorbitent fee and be supervised during the climb. Their names must be known and their addresses as well. You should try it. It would do you good to get out of the house.

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what proof do they have you are giving them your real details.must you show a birth cert or passport?...

I'm unaware of any Birth Certificate that has a person's present address on it, Cods.

When you apply for permission to climb Sydney Harbour Bridge you must use ID (ie a Driver's License) and you must pay either by Cheque or Credit Card. All of which is traceable. Roll Eyes

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #72 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:30am The only reason most people go to that part of Australia is to visit Ayers Rock, regardless of whether most people dont climb the rock placing any restrictions on access is bad business. The local abos have just fked themselves over big time.
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Reply #73 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:31am

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 8:38pm:

Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go. One of them happens to be Uluru now. Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock. They decide who climbs and who doesn't. Otherwise, why were they granted land rights? Cool

Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?

There are plenty of Mountains that are prohibited

1) Balls Pyramid (Australia) - climbing of Ball’s Pyramid was banned in 1982 through provisions in the Lord Howe Island Act, but the ban was relaxed in 1990 to restricted climbing and climbers now are required to send an application seeking permission from the state minister.

2) Mount Gangkhar Puensum (Bhutan) - In 2003, local authorities banned any form of mountaineering of the mountain out of respect to the mountain’s great spiritual significance.

3) Spider Rock (USA) - Climbing of Spider Rock is forbidden as a directive for an absolute and total ban on all forms of rock climbing around Navajo Country.

4) Shiprock (USA) - a tragic death in 1970 on the mountain led to the strict and total ban on the climbing of the mountain. Members of the Navajo community place great significance to Shiprock and the mountain a sacred place according to Navajo traditional beliefs.

5) Mount Machhapuchhre (Nepal) - Climbing of Mount Machhapuchhre is banned due to the religious significance of the mountain.

6) Mount Kailash (Tibet) - Due to the religious significance of the mountain, a strict and complete ban on all mountaineering activity on Mount Kailash is in place.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-forbidden-mountains-of-the-world.html

So the ban on climbing Ulluru is not unprecedented

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 136411 Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #74 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:33am You can't climb the rock now. That's the only change. Everything else is the same as usual. The vast majority of visitors didn't climb the rock anyway. Nothing to see here.
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