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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #75 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:37am

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 25^th, 2019 at 8:38pm:

Can a stranger climb the steeple on the Sydney Cathedral, Gordon?

Can a stranger climb the arch on Sydney Harbour Bridge?

Can a stranger climb onto the roof of the MCG?

There are many places where strangers, unsupervised are not allowed to go. One of them happens to be Uluru now. Indigenous people are the traditional custodians of the Rock. They decide who climbs and who doesn't. Otherwise, why were they granted land rights? Cool

Don't they do climbing tours of the harbour bridge?

I notice you didn't list any hills or mountains there Brian. Why is that?

There are plenty of Mountains that are prohibited

1) Balls Pyramid (Australia) - climbing of Ball’s Pyramid was banned in 1982 through provisions in the Lord Howe Island Act, but the ban was relaxed in 1990 to restricted climbing and climbers now are required to send an application seeking permission from the state minister.

2) Mount Gangkhar Puensum (Bhutan) - In 2003, local authorities banned any form of mountaineering of the mountain out of respect to the mountain’s great spiritual significance.

3) Spider Rock (USA) - Climbing of Spider Rock is forbidden as a directive for an absolute and total ban on all forms of rock climbing around Navajo Country.

4) Shiprock (USA) - a tragic death in 1970 on the mountain led to the strict and total ban on the climbing of the mountain. Members of the Navajo community place great significance to Shiprock and the mountain a sacred place according to Navajo traditional beliefs.

5) Mount Machhapuchhre (Nepal) - Climbing of Mount Machhapuchhre is banned due to the religious significance of the mountain.

6) Mount Kailash (Tibet) - Due to the religious significance of the mountain, a strict and complete ban on all mountaineering activity on Mount Kailash is in place.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-forbidden-mountains-of-the-world.html

So the ban on climbing Ulluru is not unprecedented

So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83710 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #76 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:49am greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:33am: You can't climb the rock now. That's the only change. Everything else is the same as usual. The vast majority of visitors didn't climb the rock anyway. Nothing to see here. ... well... let's all agree that Reg has the right to climb the rock.... even if he can't...
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #77 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:56am
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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #78 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:58am

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?

Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #79 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:00am
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83710 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #80 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:05am So ..... since climbing is now banned, according to that sign.... you know ... PERMANENT CLOSURE ..... any bleck seen climbing it can be shot on sight?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83710 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #81 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:07am it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:00am: https://i.imgflip.com/3ebe7q.jpg Well - it's a racist site, anyway.... don't you think it's time to put a stop to all this rubbish? One out - all out... no Koons to klimb Ayers Rock either.. since 'climbing damages the rock' ... Anyone? Got a biter here?
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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #82 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:10am

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:58am:

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?

Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.

"No Walkers/Climbers" - does that cover all ethnic groups? Or are only whartey and sallow outlanders who are not 'digenous banned?

Let's be clear here.... is this being created into a Koon Only area?

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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #83 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:13am

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:58am:

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?

Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.

But.......... why should they not have the right to do so?

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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #84 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:17am

The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:58am:

freediver wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 10:37am:

So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?

Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.

I bet the number of people who want to climb is significantly higher as they close the climb frequently in poor weather and when temperature exceed 36. And then the physical condition of many visitors who would not make it would be recorded as non climbers.

So the reason for closing it comes down to mismanagement and pandering to oogie boogie beliefs.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #85 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:20am new law , dont like it ? go back to where your ancestors come from this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ? maybe you dont belong here ??
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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #87 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:44am

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??

Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business? Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83710 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: RIP Ayres Rock Reply #88 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:47am Wonder if we'll see a Tarrant? Some big beefy bloke pulling down the sign.... chain saw it... Me? I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so .... I've done the Outback and the Terr'uh'tree... no need to go back there....
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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #89 - Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:55am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26^th, 2019 at 11:20am:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11641628-3x2-700x467.jpg

new law ,

dont like it ?

go back to where your ancestors come from

this is BLACK MAN COUNTRY

many whites wonder why they get skin cancer ?

maybe you dont belong here ??

Nice attitude to your fellow Australians - the ones who work to support these shiftless Blacks...

Apartheidist...

What will those Kangaroo Kaffirs out there do for money now that they can't run OUR Rock as a business? Hunt goannas or knock wombats on the head?

we know you are a chronic racist ..

yet there is a new law in town

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