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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #90 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:33am:
You can't climb the rock now.

That's the only change.

Everything else is the same as usual.

The vast majority of visitors didn't climb the rock anyway.

Nothing to see here.


Are you afraid to even acknowledge the issue exists?
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Reply #91 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself
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Reply #92 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:06pm
 
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Reply #93 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:10pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


"If a tiny piece of the continent falls off, then Europe is the less... therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee."

Politics of division and steady erosion must be stopped at each single step... each tiny step, no matter how justified, become just a part of a platform for more and bigger steps ....

One day you'll get there, grasshopper...

Me?  Expending energy on this?  Not on your life - I'm stirring the pot and playing devil's advocate for the opposite side.... getting you to see that such things as discrimination etc do not work one way  only.... but are manifold and multi-layered.... and if we are ever to have a nation that is actually worth something - we cannot have politics of division and of racism.

You'll grow into your nose one day, grasshopper - it often takes a lot of pain to see truth...


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Re: RIP Ayres Rock
Reply #94 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:18pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


The same is true of any piece of freedom the government might want to take away. For some reason, people only see this if it has a swastika on it. Like you only see a threat to freedom if it looks identical to the last time things went bad.

Do you have any principles, and if so, which ones apply here? That supporting black racism is more important than standing up for the separation of church and state, or fighting sexism and racism? Or are you merely hoping to pretend it is insignificant so you can ignore your principles?
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Reply #95 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:21pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


"If a tiny piece of the continent falls off, then Europe is the less... therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee."

Politics of division and steady erosion must be stopped at each single step... each tiny step, no matter how justified, become just a part of a platform for more and bigger steps ....



Ok I get it
It's the slippery slope logical fallacy
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Reply #96 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:32pm
 
if you MUST climb  there is always Mt Kosciuszko....
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Reply #97 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:38pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Me?  I don't want to climb Ayers Rock anyway - but let's all just agree that I should have the right to do so.


Neither do most of the people who are kicking up a stink about it
So the question you need to be asking yourself honestly is - why are you expending so much energy and making so many posts about something that you have no interest in doing anyway?
Be honest with yourself


"If a tiny piece of the continent falls off, then Europe is the less... therefore send not to ask for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee."

Politics of division and steady erosion must be stopped at each single step... each tiny step, no matter how justified, become just a part of a platform for more and bigger steps ....



Ok I get it
It's the slippery slope logical fallacy


No it is nothing to do with the slippery slope argument. People are complaining about this because they actually want to climb the rock, and are being prevented from doing so by government imposed racist, sexist, quasi-spiritual gobbldygook. Taking away people's right to climb this rock is actually taking their rights away. Even people who don't want to climb it can, for the most part, appreciate the real loss of their right to do so.

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Why are so many people incapable of seeing these issues without a swastika pasted on it to tell them how to feel? If a black man started channeling Hitler you would cheer him on, and denounce as fascist anyone who disagreed.
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Reply #98 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:38pm
 
https://www.smh.com.au/national/the-grand-rock-of-the-desert-is-finally-left-in-...

The grand rock of the desert is finally left in peace


"When I was a little girl," said Minja Jean Uluru-Reid, "I would come here with Mum and Dad to this place and there was nothing and nobody. No one climbing. It is my home. My memory.

"Now there will be no one climbing again. I am happy."

"This place", described by a wide sweep of the hand, is Uluru. Uluru-Reid, an elder of the traditional owners, had come to see the end of long decades of outsiders climbing a rock she and her people are forbidden from climbing by ancient law.

She had come with other elders – Barbara Nipper, Johnny Dingo and Reg Uluru among others – to witness a sign being hoisted at 4pm on Friday declaring the Uluru climb closed permanently.

From today, all that is left is a long white scar on a ridge of the vast red monolith to remind visitors of one of the more curious and contested periods of both recent and ancient Australian history.

The scar is the steep track taken by tens of thousands of Australians and foreigners intent since the middle of last century on adding the conquest of Uluru to their list of travel exploits.

The climb beneath the gruelling central Australian sun has always been arduous and dangerous, but conquest of ageless Uluru has been finally been put out of reach. The track to its summit, 345 metres above the weathered desert floor, is a puny thing compared with its immense bulk.

To the Anangu, the Pitjantjatjara people who are the custodians of Uluru, that track represents something beyond age itself: it is a creation trail taken by their ancestors, the Mala men, the rufous hare-wallaby.

It is for this Dreaming, the track is sacred to the Anangu, who have been asking for decades that outsiders stop climbing it, while park management allowed it to continue.

Media photographers have been told not to photograph climbers up high on the track, despite thousands of other photographs circulating on social media. The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald has chosen to abide by the wishes of the custodians.

All those who have climbed Uluru in recent years have been required to file straight past a sign beside the gate to the track that pleads "Please don’t climb".

"We, the Anangu traditional owners, have this to say," the sign begins. "Uluru is sacred in our culture. It is a place of great knowledge. Under our traditional law climbing is not permitted." It goes on to say that "too many people have died or been hurt causing great sadness".

"We worry about you and about your family."

There have been promises reaching back to Bob Hawke’s assurance in 1983 that the climb would end.

It has taken till October 2019 for those old broken promises to be met.

Sunday night, the Anangu will gather not far from the great rock and hold a special ceremony to celebrate.

The last day of climbing, Friday, threatened to be a bust as a line of expectant climbers snaked 200 metres across the dust at the base of the rock an hour before the sun rose.

At 7am, with a chilled desert wind judged at 20 knots – and thus, about 40 knots up high – rangers hoisted a sign declaring the "climb [is] closed due to strong winds at summit".
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Reply #99 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:38pm
 
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Reply #100 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:13am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:37am:
So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.


But.......... why should they not have the right to do so? 


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Reply #101 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:29pm
 
smack the coons!!

I am going to visit and climb Mount Conner

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Mount Conner is a few metres shorter than Uluru, but covers a larger area. Unlike Uluru, Mount Conner was once part of a broader mountain range. The sandstone on either side of it was worn down by the elements. Thanks to its protective layer of hard conglomerate rock on top, only Mount Conner survived.
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Reply #102 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:30pm
 
Mount Conner
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Reply #103 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:35pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 11:13am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:58am:
freediver wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 10:37am:
So why didn't Brian use any of those as an example? Is it because he actually disagrees with bans based on spiritual beliefs, but is afraid of his own opinion?


Whilst I can't speak for Brian perhaps it's just not that big a deal when less than 15% of visitors to Uluru feel the need to climb it anyway.


But.......... why should they not have the right to do so? 


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So I take it the Koons are equally forbidden to climb this secred site and sh1t and piss on it as well?   Cool

That's what the sign says, bro - No Climbing!!  And that means you, Jacky-Jacky!!

Anyone gonna nibble on that one?

In the case of Koonis it's more a cash of insert billions of dollars to sustain their rage and their raging whenever they've got the cash for a binge...

We need a government for all the people - not just chosen groups ...
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Reply #104 - Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:36pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Oct 26th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
Mount Conner


Looks good....
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