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Reply #90 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:37pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:50pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:22pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Why was there no DNA evidence.
There was.

Where.
You read. Plenty of DNA evidence.

Not seeing it. Apparently there was no DNA evidence to connect him with any of the victims in the forest.


His DNA wasn't on the hair. His DNA was on the clothes and belongings and murder weapon though.

Imo he wasn't alone ... He had a mate and made a slip to police apparently that he knew who was doing some killings in qld...  Of people who were supposedly only missing.(don't remember where I read that)

Spot

Do you have a link to show that those belongings or anything else was proven by DNA to belong to any of the victims.
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Reply #91 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:56pm
 
[quote author=Spot_of_Borg link=1572124294/88#88 date=1572490975] How the frack was he a threat?

Spot[/quote]he tortured and killed at least 7 people. Id suggest that constitutes a threat to the safety of others. 
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Reply #92 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:18pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:50pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:22pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Why was there no DNA evidence.
There was.

Where.
You read. Plenty of DNA evidence.

Not seeing it. Apparently there was no DNA evidence to connect him with any of the victims in the forest.


His DNA wasn't on the hair. His DNA was on the clothes and belongings and murder weapon though.

Imo he wasn't alone ... He had a mate and made a slip to police apparently that he knew who was doing some killings in qld...  Of people who were supposedly only missing.(don't remember where I read that)

Spot

Do you have a link to show that those belongings or anything else was proven by DNA to belong to any of the victims.
Milats legal defence used the tactics of implying the huge amount of evidence found was planted in Milats house and that one or other of his brothers had actually committed the crimes. I am quite sure if the DNA evidence was in doubt they would have used that as part of his defence, dont you think? Or do you know better than Milats legal team?
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Reply #93 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:27pm
 
Gnads wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 9:14am:
Using "we live in a civilised society" in his case is cliche.




I'm puzzled by your use of the word "cliche" to minimise a central tenet of our society. How else do we judge those who deem to behave badly, such as Milat?

How do we even apply a value of bad in the first place?

It is absolutely essential that we strive to conduct ourselves in the most humane and wide-seeing wat possible as much as we possibly can Where it can be mandated, it must be mandated.

To say that is a cliche is quite frankly, a little scary. I would say it is the totality of the point.
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Reply #94 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:27pm
 
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:14pm:
I would have refused him painkillers and had no issue with him dying in agony. That one wouldn't haunt me.



Absolutely no surprises.
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Reply #95 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:28pm
 
rhino wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:50pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:22pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Why was there no DNA evidence.
There was.

Where.
You read. Plenty of DNA evidence.

Not seeing it. Apparently there was no DNA evidence to connect him with any of the victims in the forest.


His DNA wasn't on the hair. His DNA was on the clothes and belongings and murder weapon though.

Imo he wasn't alone ... He had a mate and made a slip to police apparently that he knew who was doing some killings in qld...  Of people who were supposedly only missing.(don't remember where I read that)

Spot

Do you have a link to show that those belongings or anything else was proven by DNA to belong to any of the victims.
Milats legal defence used the tactics of implying the huge amount of evidence found was planted in Milats house and that one or other of his brothers had actually committed the crimes. I am quite sure if the DNA evidence was in doubt they would have used that as part of his defence, dont you think? Or do you know better than Milats legal team?

I cant see anywhere where the evidence collected at his house was connected by DNA to any of the victims, and there was no DNA at any of the grave sites that was connected to Milat.

He is as guilty as sin but I find this odd.

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Reply #96 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:04pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:28pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:50pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:22pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Why was there no DNA evidence.
There was.

Where.
You read. Plenty of DNA evidence.

Not seeing it. Apparently there was no DNA evidence to connect him with any of the victims in the forest.


His DNA wasn't on the hair. His DNA was on the clothes and belongings and murder weapon though.

Imo he wasn't alone ... He had a mate and made a slip to police apparently that he knew who was doing some killings in qld...  Of people who were supposedly only missing.(don't remember where I read that)

Spot

Do you have a link to show that those belongings or anything else was proven by DNA to belong to any of the victims.
Milats legal defence used the tactics of implying the huge amount of evidence found was planted in Milats house and that one or other of his brothers had actually committed the crimes. I am quite sure if the DNA evidence was in doubt they would have used that as part of his defence, dont you think? Or do you know better than Milats legal team?

I cant see anywhere where the evidence collected at his house was connected by DNA to any of the victims, and there was no DNA at any of the grave sites that was connected to Milat.

He is as guilty as sin but I find this odd.

Not odd at all, DNA evidence is not routinely used where there exists other evidence.  It was beyond a doubt  that the items found in his home belonged to the victims, his own legal defence did not dispute ownership of these items as belonging to the victims, DNA evidence wasn't required.
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Reply #97 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:06pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:27pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:14pm:
I would have refused him painkillers and had no issue with him dying in agony. That one wouldn't haunt me.



Absolutely no surprises.
Call me a sociopath again, I always get a chuckle out of that.
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Reply #98 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:15pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:50pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:22pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Why was there no DNA evidence.
There was.

Where.
You read. Plenty of DNA evidence.

Not seeing it. Apparently there was no DNA evidence to connect him with any of the victims in the forest.


His DNA wasn't on the hair. His DNA was on the clothes and belongings and murder weapon though.

Imo he wasn't alone ... He had a mate and made a slip to police apparently that he knew who was doing some killings in qld...  Of people who were supposedly only missing.(don't remember where I read that)

Spot

Do you have a link to show that those belongings or anything else was proven by DNA to belong to any of the victims.


Gimme an hour im on my phone ATM but his gun was found hidden in his wall. From what I remember of the article they did find DNA on the hair in a dead girls hand but it wasn't hers or his. You could look it up yourself though since I did point out I didn't remember where it was

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Reply #99 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:16pm
 
[quote author=Rhino link=1572124294/91#91 date=1572494215][quote author=Spot_of_Borg link=1572124294/88#88 date=1572490975] How the frack was he a threat?

Spot[/quote]he tortured and killed at least 7 people. Id suggest that constitutes a threat to the safety of others.  [/quote]

So you are trying to reintrepret what i said then. He was not a threat in supermax.

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Reply #100 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:17pm
 
Paul Onions' testimony was pretty damning.
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Reply #101 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:19pm
 
rhino wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:06pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:27pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 12:14pm:
I would have refused him painkillers and had no issue with him dying in agony. That one wouldn't haunt me.



Absolutely no surprises.
Call me a sociopath again, I always get a chuckle out of that.



Unlike you, Rhino, i don't try to diagnose people over what they type on an anonymous forum.
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Reply #102 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:26pm
 
capitosinora wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 11:00am:
But majority Yobbos have convict Anglo genes.
I guess that's why Milat is going to be a new Aussie hero Ned Kelly or Mark "Chopper" Read .



Milat was in a different category altogether. Unlike Kelly and Read, Milat was a premeditating psychopath needing no reason for his lust for killing except that he loved it and got a kick out of it

Kelly's reasons could arguably be described as "self defense" of his family and himself against corrupt police

Read's reasons were mainly of a societal nature

That doesn't mean we condone what they did, but when it comes to "self defense" and "society", some will revere them as "heroes"

Milat was only half Anglo I believe. The other half was of some sort of European tribal strain with a gene map quite unsuitable for modern Australia or any other modern society

Unfortunately we are now stuck with this murderous gene map via continuous breeding of the Milat family and with marriages comes different sir-names which means we won't know a "Milat" from a "Smith" in the future

One such descendant of the Milat family is Mathew Meuleman, currently in jail for murdering his friend with an ancient looking double bladed axe. He said he was "doing what our family does" (kill people)

There will be more Milat family descendants with murderous intent. So what us Aussies need to do is compile their family tree starting from Ivan Milat's father and compile it right through without stopping so we can identify the Milat murderous gene and then notify teachers, social workers, police, neighbors, children and anyone else who needs to know, which is just about the whole population of course 
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Reply #103 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:28pm
 
rhino wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:04pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:28pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 31st, 2019 at 12:50pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:22pm:
rhino wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
Johnnie wrote on Oct 30th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Why was there no DNA evidence.
There was.

Where.
You read. Plenty of DNA evidence.

Not seeing it. Apparently there was no DNA evidence to connect him with any of the victims in the forest.


His DNA wasn't on the hair. His DNA was on the clothes and belongings and murder weapon though.

Imo he wasn't alone ... He had a mate and made a slip to police apparently that he knew who was doing some killings in qld...  Of people who were supposedly only missing.(don't remember where I read that)

Spot

Do you have a link to show that those belongings or anything else was proven by DNA to belong to any of the victims.
Milats legal defence used the tactics of implying the huge amount of evidence found was planted in Milats house and that one or other of his brothers had actually committed the crimes. I am quite sure if the DNA evidence was in doubt they would have used that as part of his defence, dont you think? Or do you know better than Milats legal team?

I cant see anywhere where the evidence collected at his house was connected by DNA to any of the victims, and there was no DNA at any of the grave sites that was connected to Milat.

He is as guilty as sin but I find this odd.

Not odd at all, DNA evidence is not routinely used where there exists other evidence.  It was beyond a doubt  that the items found in his home belonged to the victims, his own legal defence did not dispute ownership of these items as belonging to the victims, DNA evidence wasn't required.

There you go,, you said there was plenty of DNA evidence whereas from what I read there was none, how could they not find any at the grave sites..
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Reply #104 - Oct 31st, 2019 at 3:44pm
 
No, there was plenty of DNA evidence, just not presented in court as it was not necessary.
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