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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #105 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


It's just a sociological discussion, cods.

Aren't you curious about why people do certain things?

I am.

It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion.

To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange.

But that's just me.



thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news.....

then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain...


a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition...

what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..


So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them?

Spot
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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #106 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


It's just a sociological discussion, cods.

Aren't you curious about why people do certain things?

I am.

It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion.

To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange.

But that's just me.



thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news.....

then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain...


a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition...

what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..


Is it?

How is laying flowers and/or soft toys on their fence better than what you and I have done cods?

If there were no flowers and no teddies, how would things be different?
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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #107 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:38pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


It's just a sociological discussion, cods.

Aren't you curious about why people do certain things?

I am.

It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion.

To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange.

But that's just me.



thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news.....

then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain...


a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition...

what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..


So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them?

Spot


I don't understand why she gets so upset when people want to pursue serious discussion.

These sorts of things fascinate me.

It's healthy to discuss their origins and meanings.

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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #108 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm
 
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.



you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.
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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #109 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm
 
Could it simply be that people want to do something physical, to show their love and sorrow for the tragedy?
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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #110 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:43pm
 
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.


Indeed.

If I was the father of those children, it's the last thing I'd want to see.

Everyone's different though, and I get that.

I still maintain that one of the main reasons people do it is so they can feel like they're a part of the big news story.

They can watch the footage on the Channel 7 "News" and say "Hey, that's the teddy bear I bought and put on the fence - check it out, that's my note".

Then they can go back, take a photo of it, and put it on their Facebook page.

It's a strange phenomenon - I'd love to do a PhD on it.



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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #111 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:43pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:38pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


It's just a sociological discussion, cods.

Aren't you curious about why people do certain things?

I am.

It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion.

To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange.

But that's just me.



thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news.....

then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain...


a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition...

what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..


So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them?

Spot


I don't understand why she gets so upset when people want to pursue serious discussion.

These sorts of things fascinate me.

It's healthy to discuss their origins and meanings.




its got nothing to do with this thread and now you can see which way its going...

leave me out of it   maybe see a psychologist   or even a funeral director   

you have another thread  greg   congratulations..
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Reply #112 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:44pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Could it simply be that people want to do something physical, to show their love and sorrow for the tragedy?


Sure.

Why publicly, though.

Why can't they do it in the privacy of their own homes?

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Reply #113 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:46pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.



you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.


The children are dead, cods - they have no idea that people are thinking about them.

Or, are the toys and flowers for the mother who is charged with murdering them?

That's a little strange, don't you think?


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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #114 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:13pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ...


Yep, quite possible.

Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs.

On his/her way to their dealer, maybe.

Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about?



You keep asking ... why?

Are you shy a teddy bear you need?


I'm genuinely curious about it.

Why are people leaving soft toys on their fence?



People leave them at road accidents, too... seen some... the Kings Highway has bears in the trees - Drop Bears....
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Reply #115 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:49pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.



you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.


Yes, I know all about grief. The last thing I needed was flowers and soft toys. I certainly didn't want anybody to feel sorry for me!

We all grieve differently.
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Reply #116 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:52pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 1:13pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
The neighbour may have seen them on his/her way to work and just assumed, at that time of day, they were going somewhere with mother or whatever, who was on the way out from the house...  ...


Yep, quite possible.

Although, I'm not sure how many people in her street would have jobs.

On his/her way to their dealer, maybe.

Anyway, the soft toys - what's that all about?



You keep asking ... why?

Are you shy a teddy bear you need?


I'm genuinely curious about it.

Why are people leaving soft toys on their fence?



People leave them at road accidents, too... seen some... the Kings Highway has bears in the trees - Drop Bears....


Yes.

And they serve as a reminder to people that they're quite possibly on a dangerous stretch of road.

Still a strange phenomenon, but at least it can serve a useful purpose.

I don't see the purpose of leaving toys for dead children though.

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Reply #117 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:52pm
 
Cannot imagine how the mother feels...'if only I didn't get whacked on that last cone'...spose.
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Reply #118 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:54pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:52pm:
Cannot imagine how the mother feels...'if only I didn't get whacked on that last cone'...spose.


Indeed.

Imagine being a parent who has just lost two children, and on top of that you're locked up in a cell with nobody to help you through the grief.

I can't imagine anything worse.
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Reply #119 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:46pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.



you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.


The children are dead, cods - they have no idea that people are thinking about them.

Or, are the toys and flowers for the mother who is charged with murdering them?

That's a little strange, don't you think?





It is " compassion masking uselessness "

People posturing to feel good , no different to the virtue signallers waving placards about climate change or lighting the opera house red white and blue after the Charlie Hebdo Massacres.

The noble conservative is a man of action, not reaction.

He sees a situation like this and he hits the gym, becomes strong and powerful, he hits the books, gets a uni degree in criminal justice.
He moves out on the attack, aggressively towards the problem.
He becomes a noble policeman and ventures to Logan and kicks serious ice dealer butt.
They build prisons in his honour to create firm boundaries to keep the bad stuff away.
Thus he reduces the suffering in the world and reduces the market for the " useless compassion" of the virtue signaller.

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