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Reply #120 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:59pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:56pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:46pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

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From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.



you dont have a clue about grief do you?...this usually happens in a case like this......its a form of mourning of sharing the pain.....what happens after is no one business..... why are you so interested??????......I received a lot of flowers when I lost my husband   and I mean a lot   when their life was over I removed them in the usual fashion     I still have the cards...it meant a lot at that time when you are floundering around in an unknown place...people are thinking about you thats helps.


The children are dead, cods - they have no idea that people are thinking about them.

Or, are the toys and flowers for the mother who is charged with murdering them?

That's a little strange, don't you think?





It is " compassion masking uselessness "

People posturing to feel good , no different to the virtue signallers waving placards about climate change or lighting the opera house red white and blue after the Charlie Hebdo Massacres.

The noble conservative is a man of action, not reaction.

He sees a situation like this and he hits the gym, becomes strong and powerful, he hits the books, gets a uni degree in criminal justice.
He moves out on the attack, aggressively towards the problem.
He becomes a noble policeman and ventures to Logan and kicks serious ice dealer butt.
They build prisons in his honour to create firm boundaries to keep the bad stuff away.
Thus he reduces the suffering in the world and reduces the market for the " useless compassion" of the virtue signaller.



This might be the first time we've ever agreed on something.

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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #121 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 4:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:43pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.


Indeed.

If I was the father of those children, it's the last thing I'd want to see.

Everyone's different though, and I get that.

I still maintain that one of the main reasons people do it is so they can feel like they're a part of the big news story.

They can watch the footage on the Channel 7 "News" and say "Hey, that's the teddy bear I bought and put on the fence - check it out, that's my note".

Then they can go back, take a photo of it, and put it on their Facebook page.

It's a strange phenomenon - I'd love to do a PhD on it.





Sounds like a Plan.  Wink
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Re: 2 more toddlers dead
Reply #122 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 4:14pm
 
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 4:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:43pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:35pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


Since the current trend is for people to put flowers and toys at the site where something terrible has occurred, presumably as a sign of respect or sympathy or something, then what happens once the news has died down? Do those who left flowers or a toy feel better? Do those who lost a loved one feel grateful that they got so many flowers and toys? Are the dead looking down saying "look how many flowers and toys I/we got?"
It's a very sad occasion and I would imagine that those affected do NOT want TV News or the flowers and teddies.


Indeed.

If I was the father of those children, it's the last thing I'd want to see.

Everyone's different though, and I get that.

I still maintain that one of the main reasons people do it is so they can feel like they're a part of the big news story.

They can watch the footage on the Channel 7 "News" and say "Hey, that's the teddy bear I bought and put on the fence - check it out, that's my note".

Then they can go back, take a photo of it, and put it on their Facebook page.

It's a strange phenomenon - I'd love to do a PhD on it.





Sounds like a Plan.  Wink


It does indeed.

Sociology was the first major I did at Uni, and it was fascinating.

I'd love to do something in that field again.

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Reply #123 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 4:21pm
 
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:38pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


It's just a sociological discussion, cods.

Aren't you curious about why people do certain things?

I am.

It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion.

To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange.

But that's just me.



thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news.....

then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain...


a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition...

what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..


So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them?

Spot


I don't understand why she gets so upset when people want to pursue serious discussion.

These sorts of things fascinate me.

It's healthy to discuss their origins and meanings.




its got nothing to do with this thread and now you can see which way its going...

leave me out of it   maybe see a psychologist   or even a funeral director   

you have another thread  greg   congratulations..


As you know its how this forum works. No threads stay on topic and they evolve. Except for that muslim thread with and moses FD in it.

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Reply #124 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 4:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:38pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
cods wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?



its no ones business... in this thread I dont understand the discussion... Angry Angry


It's just a sociological discussion, cods.

Aren't you curious about why people do certain things?

I am.

It's not necessarily a criticism - just an observation, and discussion.

To me, leaving soft toys on the fence where children have died just seems a bit strange.

But that's just me.



thankfully.. most people mind their own business with how people deal with tragic news.....

then one or two like yourself want to turn it into a mountain...


a lot of people exchange gifts at Xmas time....do they know why?? I am sure plenty dont its called tradition...

what people do is mostly because they want too because its better than doing NOTHING>..


So cods you don't think people should ever be curious about thing that happen around them? How did this firm of grieving start? Do the toys signify something? Or as chrisp asked what happens to them?

Spot


I don't understand why she gets so upset when people want to pursue serious discussion.

These sorts of things fascinate me.

It's healthy to discuss their origins and meanings.



It might be because she doesnt understand it

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Reply #125 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


Perhaps we shouldn't bury them or cremate them or have any sort of memorial to their life.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #126 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:17pm
 
ChrisP wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


I've noticed that too.  The flowers will die but do the bereaved take home the soft toys and keep them as "remembrance" - or something?


No... lowlifes come along & pinch them for their kids or to sell to fund their drug habits.
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Reply #127 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:22pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 3:52pm:
Cannot imagine how the mother feels...'if only I didn't get whacked on that last cone'...spose.


Grin Grin No idea have you?

She wasn't smoking cones/ weed.

It was much more heavy than that ... Ice/ Crack
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Reply #128 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:25pm
 
Oh & another thing

the low bitch was drug driving with those kids in the car.
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Reply #130 - Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:41pm
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


Perhaps we shouldn't bury them or cremate them or have any sort of memorial to their life.  Roll Eyes


A strange suggestion, but if that's what floats your boat ...  Undecided
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Reply #131 - Nov 27th, 2019 at 7:14am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


Perhaps we shouldn't bury them or cremate them or have any sort of memorial to their life.  Roll Eyes


A strange suggestion, but if that's what floats your boat ...  Undecided


What I find strange is your focus on the flowers & soft toy memorials when the post is about the reckless behaviour of a drug f*$ked female that cost the life of 2 young children.

It you want to discuss that subject make a separate post about it.

You have a disturbing tendency to side track nearly every post you enter

why is that?

I'm curious.
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Reply #132 - Nov 27th, 2019 at 7:23am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2019 at 7:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


Perhaps we shouldn't bury them or cremate them or have any sort of memorial to their life.  Roll Eyes


A strange suggestion, but if that's what floats your boat ...  Undecided


What I find strange is your focus on the flowers & soft toy memorials when the post is about the reckless behaviour of a drug f*$ked female that cost the life of 2 young children.

It you want to discuss that subject make a separate post about it.

You have a disturbing tendency to side track nearly every post you enter

why is that?

I'm curious.


What is it you want? Its not like it hasnt all been said (and more)

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Reply #133 - Nov 27th, 2019 at 7:29am
 
Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2019 at 7:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


Perhaps we shouldn't bury them or cremate them or have any sort of memorial to their life.  Roll Eyes


A strange suggestion, but if that's what floats your boat ...  Undecided


What I find strange is your focus on the flowers & soft toy memorials when the post is about the reckless behaviour of a drug f*$ked female that cost the life of 2 young children.

It you want to discuss that subject make a separate post about it.

You have a disturbing tendency to side track nearly every post you enter

why is that?

I'm curious.


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Reply #134 - Nov 27th, 2019 at 8:40am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 27th, 2019 at 7:23am:
Gnads wrote on Nov 27th, 2019 at 7:14am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Actually now I think about it a friend of mine died last year and there were a whole bunch of stuffed animals in her coffin with her. I was given one when I entered to put there but I didn't want to because I didn't understand it. It seems to be a thing but I never noticed it before a few years ago.

I actually thought it was a kiwi thing because her family were all New zealanders that came over for the funeral.

She was an old lady so it's not just children

Spot



From the research I've done, it's become a hell of a lot more popular since the death of Princess Diana.

Remember all those tributes?

And, it's certainly increased since social media has taken off.

People (some, not all) like to be a part of the big news stories and that's how they can participate.

A strange phenomenon - certainly not something I would consider doing, but good luck to those who do if it makes them feel good.

Does absolutely nothing for the people who are dead though.


Perhaps we shouldn't bury them or cremate them or have any sort of memorial to their life.  Roll Eyes


A strange suggestion, but if that's what floats your boat ...  Undecided


What I find strange is your focus on the flowers & soft toy memorials when the post is about the reckless behaviour of a drug f*$ked female that cost the life of 2 young children.

It you want to discuss that subject make a separate post about it.

You have a disturbing tendency to side track nearly every post you enter

why is that?

I'm curious.


What is it you want? Its not like it hasnt all been said (and more)

Spot


I think the idea is to just keep making post after post about how bad drugs and single mothers are.

Broadening the conversation isn't permitted, according to cods and Gnads.

So, I'll do my bit:


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