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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #105 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 9:19am

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:44pm:

Gnads I realise the topic might not have been clear, but this thread is supposed to be for mindless hysterics about climate change, not other random conspiracies.

My bad, I did encourage him
Although I would still like a response to this question

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:40am:

Ironically the amount of fluoride in drinking water is 1 ppm. That's 400 times less than the amount of CO₂ in the atmosphere which you dismiss as a "trace gas"

Grin

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #106 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 9:39am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 9:19am:

freediver wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:44pm:

Gnads I realise the topic might not have been clear, but this thread is supposed to be for mindless hysterics about climate change, not other random conspiracies.

My bad, I did encourage him
Although I would still like a response to this question

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:40am:

Ironically the amount of fluoride in drinking water is 1 ppm. That's 400 times less than the amount of CO₂ in the atmosphere which you dismiss as a "trace gas"

Grin

Why don't you tell me why you accept the toxic contaminated industrial waste from the fertilizer & Aluminium industries dumped into public water supplies as being fluoride?

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Others at EPA, however, have voiced their objections to this process. In 2000, Dr. William Hirzy, the senior vice president of EPA’s Headquarters Union of Scientists and Professionals, stated:

‘”If this stuff gets out into the air, it’s a pollutant; if it gets into the river, it’s a pollutant; if it gets into the lake it’s a pollutant; but if it goes right into your drinking water system, it’s not a pollutant… There’s got to be a better way to manage this stuff.”

https://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #107 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am

Patrick Moore
BSc Biology PhD Ecology, Greenpeace co-founder, left in '86 to be The Sensible Environmentalist. Chair, http://CO2Coalition.org . Science & logic, not sensation & fear.
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No genuine scientist would ever ridicule skepticism. It is one of the defining features of an inquisitive mind.
No genuine scientist would use the word “denier” to describe another scientist.
No genuine scientist would claim a compute model is able to predict future climates. QED

https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/1104643301980889089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7...

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #108 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:38am

Frank wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am:

Patrick Moore
BSc Biology PhD Ecology, Greenpeace co-founder, left in '86 to be The Sensible Environmentalist. Chair, http://CO2Coalition.org . Science & logic, not sensation & fear.
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No genuine scientist would ever ridicule skepticism. It is one of the defining features of an inquisitive mind.
No genuine scientist would use the word “denier” to describe another scientist.
No genuine scientist would claim a compute model is able to predict future climates. QED

https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/1104643301980889089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7...

Greenpeace Statement On Patrick Moore
Patrick Moore often misrepresents himself in the media as an environmental “expert” or even an “environmentalist,” while offering anti-environmental opinions on a wide range of issues and taking a distinctly anti-environmental stance. He also exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.
Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace
Patrick Moore is a Paid Spokesperson for the Nuclear Industry

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

Oh dear, looks like he's just another paid hack

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #109 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:56am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:38am:

Frank wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am:

Patrick Moore
BSc Biology PhD Ecology, Greenpeace co-founder, left in '86 to be The Sensible Environmentalist. Chair, http://CO2Coalition.org . Science & logic, not sensation & fear.
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No genuine scientist would ever ridicule skepticism. It is one of the defining features of an inquisitive mind.
No genuine scientist would use the word “denier” to describe another scientist.
No genuine scientist would claim a compute model is able to predict future climates. QED

https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/1104643301980889089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7...

Greenpeace Statement On Patrick Moore
Patrick Moore often misrepresents himself in the media as an environmental “expert” or even an “environmentalist,” while offering anti-environmental opinions on a wide range of issues and taking a distinctly anti-environmental stance. He also exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.
Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace
Patrick Moore is a Paid Spokesperson for the Nuclear Industry

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

Oh dear, looks like he's just another paid hack

Er... and which of those three statements is a lie or distortion or hackery???

(needless to say, there is absolutely nothing wrong with advocating nuclear energy.)

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49487 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #110 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 11:00am Quote: Why don't you tell me why you accept the toxic contaminated industrial waste from the fertilizer & Aluminium industries dumped into public water supplies as being fluoride? Because that's what it is? It's like getting water from recycled sewage. It's still water.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 48285 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #111 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 11:08am
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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #112 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 11:21am

Frank wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:56am:

Er... and which of those three statements is a lie or distortion or hackery???

They are all lies and distortion

There is a difference between a "skeptic" and a "denier". A skeptic will change their opinion when presented with facts and doesn't resort to conspiracy theories to defend their position
Science is in fact all about making predictions. The fundamental scientific process is to make a prediction and then see if it is accurate.

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #113 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 11:56am

Frank wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:56am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:38am:

Frank wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am:

Patrick Moore
BSc Biology PhD Ecology, Greenpeace co-founder, left in '86 to be The Sensible Environmentalist. Chair, http://CO2Coalition.org . Science & logic, not sensation & fear.
‏

No genuine scientist would ever ridicule skepticism. It is one of the defining features of an inquisitive mind.
No genuine scientist would use the word “denier” to describe another scientist.
No genuine scientist would claim a compute model is able to predict future climates. QED

https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/1104643301980889089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7...

Greenpeace Statement On Patrick Moore
Patrick Moore often misrepresents himself in the media as an environmental “expert” or even an “environmentalist,” while offering anti-environmental opinions on a wide range of issues and taking a distinctly anti-environmental stance. He also exploits long-gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.
Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace
Patrick Moore is a Paid Spokesperson for the Nuclear Industry

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

Oh dear, looks like he's just another paid hack

Er... and which of those three statements is a lie or distortion or hackery???

(needless to say, there is absolutely nothing wrong with advocating nuclear energy.)

Got to agree with Barnacle about Patrick Moore

he's a mouth for sale ... even for Monsanto

He told a reporter that RoundUp was so safe you could drink it ........

and when he was challenged to do so he folded.

Absolutely no credibility ... in fact he's a Snake Oil Salesman for Hire.

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #114 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 11:58am

freediver wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 11:00am:

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Why don't you tell me why you accept the toxic contaminated industrial waste from the fertilizer & Aluminium industries dumped into public water supplies as being fluoride?

Because that's what it is? It's like getting water from recycled sewage. It's still water.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18055 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #115 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:16pm Patrick Moore was one of the co-founders of Greenpeace. Notice how Greenpeace changes it just a little? Of course they don't like to admit it now.
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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #116 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:19pm

lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:16pm:

Patrick Moore was one of the co-founders of Greenpeace.

Notice how Greenpeace changes it just a little? Grin

Of course they don't like to admit it now. Wink

Not according to Greenpeace

Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace

Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cote, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter and Greenpeace’s response are available here (PDF).

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/greenpeace-statement-on-patric/

caught out lying again lee Grin

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #117 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:23pm

Gnads wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 11:56am:

He told a reporter that RoundUp was so safe you could drink it .....

"On March 20, 2015, IARC announced its conclusion: Glyphosate is "probably carcinogenic to humans."

"The scientific picture got more complicated, though. Other government agencies, including the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and the European Food Safety Authority, took a fresh look at glyphosate. And they concluded that it probably is not giving people cancer."

"David Eastmond, a toxicologist from the University of California, Riverside, helped conduct one of these glyphosate reviews for another part of the World Health Organization, the Joint FAO/WHO Meeting on Pesticide Residues.

"From my reading of things, if glyphosate causes cancer, it's a pretty weak carcinogen, which means that you're going to need pretty high doses in order to cause it," he says.

Eastmond says that there are several reasons for this apparent disagreement between IARC and the other agencies.

First, IARC just looks at whether glyphosate can cause cancer; regulators, on the other hand, have to decide whether it actually will, considering how much of it people are exposed to."

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/05/30/727914874/safe-or-scary-the-shif...

As to whether it is safe to drink it probably is at the recommended level. Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18055 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #118 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:30pm The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:19pm: caught out lying again lee No petal. You are relying on Greenpeace to prove Greenpeace is not lying.
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #119 - Dec 1^st, 2019 at 2:19pm lee wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:30pm: The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 1^st, 2019 at 12:19pm: caught out lying again lee No petal. You are relying on Greenpeace to prove Greenpeace is not lying. They have provided evidence on their site whereas you have provided nothing.....
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