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Reply #240 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:31am

Ajax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:23am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:15am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:14am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Valkie wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 7:12am:

I wonder how much CO2 is being introduced by these bush fires?

I read somewhere that one volcanic eruption introduced more pollution and green house gasses than man could produce world wide in a year.

You read wrong
You remember that volcanic eruption in Iceland that grounded European flights in 2010.
Th fact that all those flights were grounded resulted in a FALL in global emissions.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/19/eyjafjallajokull-volcano-cli...

U talking sh@t AGAIN...............!?!?!

Thanks for your informed and well thought out response Ajax Wink

https://i.ibb.co/k0Jc9yg/planes-co2.jpg

What point are you trying to make Ajax
90kg per plane per hour
How many planes were grounded for how many hours? thousands?

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #241 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:36am Doesn't add up barny..............
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Reply #242 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:42am

Ajax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

Doesn't add up barny.............. Kiss

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https://i.ibb.co/VV7Vy7t/KAICELAND.jpg

Keflavik Airport wasn't the only airport where flights were grounded Grin

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A larger effect on the atmosphere, though still small in global terms, comes from the mass-grounding of European flights over the past few days.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/19/eyjafjallajokull-volcano-cli...

But then maths never was your strong point Ajax (neither is science)

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #243 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:53am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:42am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

Doesn't add up barny.............. Kiss

https://i.ibb.co/k0Jc9yg/planes-co2.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/VV7Vy7t/KAICELAND.jpg

Keflavik Airport wasn't the only airport where flights were grounded Grin

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A larger effect on the atmosphere, though still small in global terms, comes from the mass-grounding of European flights over the past few days.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/19/eyjafjallajokull-volcano-cli...

But then maths never was your strong point Ajax (neither is science)

Airports closed intermittently in different parts of Europe due to Eyjafjallajökull eruption.

If I was a betting man I would still place a unit winner on that 2.8 m tonnes being bullsh@t.

That's also taking into consideration the 150 to 300 thousand tonnes per day of the volcano spewing out CO2.

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #244 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 11:03am

Ajax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:53am:

If I was a betting man I would still place a unit winner on that 2.8 m tonnes being bullsh@t.

So in other words, even with no evidence to support you, you are going say they are lying, because it doesn't suit your agenda.
That's pretty much the definition of a denier

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #245 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 11:08am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 10:53am:

If I was a betting man I would still place a unit winner on that 2.8 m tonnes being bullsh@t.

So in other words, even with no evidence to support you, you are going say they are lying, because it doesn't suit your agenda.
That's pretty much the definition of a denier

If they want people to believe them then they should provide the details.

Just pulling a magical number out of the hat I don't trust them.

Just like the hot spot and the hockey stick both FALSE....!!

Can you blame me................?

BTW I'm not a denier I'm a sceptic, as my posting show above.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18051 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #246 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 11:54am Robot wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 12:47am: You think the temperature is supposed to go up with every Milankovich cycle? Robot wrote on Dec 7^th, 2019 at 3:01pm: In "all those events in the past", the initial forcing came from Milankovich cycles. So when is all something less than all?
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Reply #247 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 12:05pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 9:42am:

You read wrong
You remember that volcanic eruption in Iceland that grounded European flights in 2010.
Th fact that all those flights were grounded resulted in a FALL in global emissions.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/19/eyjafjallajokull-volcano-cli...

Isn't that a a time China was lying about its emissions? Wink

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49476 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #248 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 12:31pm I'd like to thank all the 'skeptics' for saving me the trouble and posting their mindless hysterics right here in this thread for me.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18051 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #249 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:01pm So writes the climate alarmist true believer hysteric.
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Reply #250 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:11pm

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 9:42am:

You read wrong
You remember that volcanic eruption in Iceland that grounded European flights in 2010.
Th fact that all those flights were grounded resulted in a FALL in global emissions.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/apr/19/eyjafjallajokull-volcano-cli...

Isn't that a a time China was lying about its emissions? Wink

Which would make it even less likely that the volcano's emissions exceeded human emissions
Thanks for supporting my argument lee Wink

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Reply #251 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:30pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:11pm:

Which would make it even less likely that the volcano's emissions exceeded human emissions

And? Was the one volcano erupting supposed to cut global emissions? You usually claim that volcanic emissions caused the LIA. Wink

But the causality of grounded planes causing a drop when China's fugitive emissions were not counted is laughable. There was more likely an increase in global emissions if China's fugitive emissions had been counted.

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #252 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:47pm

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:30pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 1:11pm:

Which would make it even less likely that the volcano's emissions exceeded human emissions

And? Was the one volcano erupting supposed to cut global emissions? You usually claim that volcanic emissions caused the LIA. Wink

But the causality of grounded planes causing a drop when China's fugitive emissions were not counted is laughable. There was more likely an increase in global emissions if China's fugitive emissions had been counted.

Oh dear lee, I think you are a bit confused

All it takes for a reduction in emissions is for the volcano's emissions to be less than what the grounded planes would have been.

China's emissions are irrelevant (unless of course you think they only emitted for the 8 days that the planes were grounded)
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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #253 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 4:17pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

All it takes for a reduction in emissions is for the volcano's emissions to be less than what the grounded planes would have been.

And seeing as emissions are estimated tell us how you can estimate that? Wink

"Based on readings taken by scientists during the first phase of Eyjafjallajokull activity last month, the website Information is Beautiful calculated the volcano has emitted about 150,000 tonnes of CO2 each day."

and from the Information is Beautiful Website-

"UPDATE 3 – 20th April – More new info and some shame for us. According to leading geologists, Eyjafjallajoekull is emitting between “150,000 and 300,000” tons of CO2 a day (source). Despite the attentions of the Icelandic vulcanologists and detailed research, our calculations were apparently off by a factor to 10. Many apologies for this error. The volcano *is* belching huge gobs of CO2 into the atmos. Arguably, still less than the amount that would’ve been emitted by the grounded planes. We’ve corrected the diagram. Thanks to all the commenters who helped us refine and correct our calcs."

So perhaps not. Wink

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

China's emissions are irrelevant (unless of course you think they only emitted for the 8 days that the planes were grounded)

You only wish they were. China cheated for years. Grin

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Reply #254 - Dec 8^th, 2019 at 4:29pm

lee wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 4:17pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

All it takes for a reduction in emissions is for the volcano's emissions to be less than what the grounded planes would have been.

And seeing as emissions are estimated tell us how you can estimate that? Wink

"Based on readings taken by scientists during the first phase of Eyjafjallajokull activity last month, the website Information is Beautiful calculated the volcano has emitted about 150,000 tonnes of CO2 each day."

and from the Information is Beautiful Website-

"UPDATE 3 – 20th April – More new info and some shame for us. According to leading geologists, Eyjafjallajoekull is emitting between “150,000 and 300,000” tons of CO2 a day (source). Despite the attentions of the Icelandic vulcanologists and detailed research, our calculations were apparently off by a factor to 10. Many apologies for this error. The volcano *is* belching huge gobs of CO2 into the atmos. Arguably, still less than the amount that would’ve been emitted by the grounded planes. We’ve corrected the diagram. Thanks to all the commenters who helped us refine and correct our calcs."

So perhaps not. Wink

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 3:47pm:

China's emissions are irrelevant (unless of course you think they only emitted for the 8 days that the planes were grounded)

You only wish they were. China cheated for years. Grin

Nice diversion.
It's also interesting that you removed the quote that proved you are wrong Grin

But of course your post still supports my argument that Valkie was wrong when he stated this

Valkie wrote on Dec 8^th, 2019 at 7:12am:

I read somewhere that one volcanic eruption introduced more pollution and green house gasses than man could produce world wide in a year.

You really arn't having a good day are you lee Grin

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