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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #60 - Nov 27^th, 2019 at 9:28pm

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 6:53am:

Get out & "Clean up Australia" & clean up our oceans of plastics ..... instead of trying to support
your misguided belief that the planet will be destroyed in 11 years time if something is not done about CO2 levels.

Why can't we do both?
It's not an either/or proposition

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 6:53am:

Never mind that any increase has been minimal and it's a vital part of plant & human survival.

That old chestnut.
Water is also vital for plant & human survival and yet floods are a bad thing.
Too much of anything can be bad and humans emitting additional CO₂ into the atmosphere is going to have a bad effect on the atmosphere.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49783 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #61 - Nov 27^th, 2019 at 9:32pm Jasin wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 5:25pm: Ocker: "Where's North America? You know - the USA." Strine:"It's at the 'End of the World' mate."
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49477 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #62 - Nov 27^th, 2019 at 9:40pm Quote: Why can't we do both? That wouldn't be hysterical enough for a climate skeptic. How can you possibly think about anything else until all that rubbish is cleaned up? It would be like holding two thoughts at the same time.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18051 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #63 - Nov 27^th, 2019 at 9:47pm The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 9:28pm: oo much of anything can be bad and humans emitting additional CO2 into the atmosphere is going to have a bad effect on the atmosphere. So you disagree withe the scientists that it is already upon us?
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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #64 - Nov 27^th, 2019 at 10:11pm

What is drought, how long does it last and what is a drought declaration?
Donna Coutts,
April 30, 2019 6:45PM

WHY IS AUSTRALIA VULNERABLE?
After Antarctica, Australia is the second-driest continent on Earth. More than 80 per cent of Australia gets less than 600mm of rain a year.

Air moves around the Earth in fairly regular patterns. Australia’s position on the globe is one reason we are at risk of drought as we sit in what is called a high-pressure belt. High pressure in the atmosphere pushes air down from the sky towards land. For it to rain, we need the opposite to happen: low pressure, or air lifting up.

Another factor that puts Australia at risk of drought is a natural, cyclical* weather system called El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO). El Nino warms up the central Pacific Ocean to the east of Australia. El Nino pushes more air down towards land, which also prevents rain.

(The other part of ENSO is La Nina, which can deliver Australia lots of rain.)

Another weather system that can cause drought in Australia is the Indian Ocean Dipole, which moves air around the Indian Ocean to the west of Australia and determines how much rain falls over Australia.

A third weather system is the Southern Annular Mode (SAM), which operates to the south of Australia and determines whether cold fronts with rain in them make it to Australia.

I certainly am no expert, but I firmly believe it's all part of nature, there have been long severe droughts in the past, there will be again in the future.

Banning water tanks was a bad move, every one should have nothing less than a 5000 gallon water tank, for drinking & cooking, people should make themselves drinking and cooking waterproof.

We've had it extremely good for decades now, people have forgotten how valuable a decent rain water supply is.

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #65 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:09am

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 9:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 6:53am:

Get out & "Clean up Australia" & clean up our oceans of plastics ..... instead of trying to support
your misguided belief that the planet will be destroyed in 11 years time if something is not done about CO2 levels.

Why can't we do both?
It's not an either/or proposition

Gnads wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 6:53am:

Never mind that any increase has been minimal and it's a vital part of plant & human survival.

That old chestnut.
Water is also vital for plant & human survival and yet floods are a bad thing.
Too much of anything can be bad and humans emitting additional CO₂ into the atmosphere is going to have a bad effect on the atmosphere.

So humans emit more than volcanic activity above & below the oceans?

The water on the planet is finite .... it goes around in a cycle ...... it doesn't increase.

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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #66 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:17am

moses wrote on Nov 27^th, 2019 at 10:11pm:

What is drought, how long does it last and what is a drought declaration?
Donna Coutts,
April 30, 2019 6:45PM

WHY IS AUSTRALIA VULNERABLE?
After Antarctica, Australia is the second-driest continent on Earth. More than 80 per cent of Australia gets less than 600mm of rain a year.

Air moves around the Earth in fairly regular patterns. Australia’s position on the globe is one reason we are at risk of drought as we sit in what is called a high-pressure belt. High pressure in the atmosphere pushes air down from the sky towards land. For it to rain, we need the opposite to happen: low pressure, or air lifting up.

Another factor that puts Australia at risk of drought is a natural, cyclical* weather system called El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO). El Nino warms up the central Pacific Ocean to the east of Australia. El Nino pushes more air down towards land, which also prevents rain.

(The other part of ENSO is La Nina, which can deliver Australia lots of rain.)

Another weather system that can cause drought in Australia is the Indian Ocean Dipole, which moves air around the Indian Ocean to the west of Australia and determines how much rain falls over Australia.

A third weather system is the Southern Annular Mode (SAM), which operates to the south of Australia and determines whether cold fronts with rain in them make it to Australia.

I certainly am no expert, but I firmly believe it's all part of nature, there have been long severe droughts in the past, there will be again in the future.

Banning water tanks was a bad move, every one should have nothing less than a 5000 gallon water tank, for drinking & cooking, people should make themselves drinking and cooking waterproof.

We've had it extremely good for decades now, people have forgotten how valuable a decent rain water supply is.

I agree with every one having a water tank .....but Governments certainly haven't forgotten the value of rain water ....

that's why state govts are adopting the policy fo claiming that collection of rainwater has to be paid for ...

water authorities go around to farms & measure the cubic capacity of dams & charge for it's usage.

I bet they will try to do the same with water tanks on houses.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49477 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #67 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am Why should everyone have a water tank?
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #68 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 1:25pm freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am: Why should everyone have a water tank? Because it makes sense.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49783 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #69 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 2:14pm Johnnie wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 1:25pm: freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am: Why should everyone have a water tank? Because it makes sense. Because the Government can charge people for the water that people get from rain. Just like they get paid for people getting sunlight on their panels.
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Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics
Reply #70 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 3:38pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 2:14pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 1:25pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am:

Why should everyone have a water tank?

Because it makes sense.

Because the Government can charge people for the water that people get from rain.
Just like they get paid for people getting sunlight on their panels.

Taxing people on rainwater tanks didn't get very far.

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AaronCRescue Full Member Offline Posts: 211	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #71 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 5:04pm freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am: Why should everyone have a water tank? NO. It's a good idea but they can be contaminated by mice, birds and other stuff. Besides, where does it rain enough to keep the tank full?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38865 Gender:	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #72 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 5:07pm AaronCRescue wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 5:04pm: freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am: Why should everyone have a water tank? NO. It's a good idea but they can be contaminated by mice, birds and other stuff. Besides, where does it rain enough to keep the tank full? Canberra, Neferti sock?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49477 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #73 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 6:35pm Johnnie wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 1:25pm: freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am: Why should everyone have a water tank? Because it makes sense. On account of being able to get water by turning on a tap?
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49477 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #74 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:04pm The pseudo-intellectual hysteria: lee wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 4:07pm: Michael E Mann who famously made a hockeystick by grafting thermometer records onto his one tree mometer.
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