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Reply #75 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:16pm

AaronCRescue wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 5:04pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am:

Why should everyone have a water tank?

NO.
It's a good idea but they can be contaminated by mice, birds and other stuff.
Besides, where does it rain enough to keep the tank full?

My father grew up on rainwater, I've used it for years, no problem. The problem is tanks in cities and it's not birds or mice that are the problem, it's the pollution. Even in cities it's not a bad idea, it's free water not impacted by water restrictions, just don't drink it.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49488 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #76 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:23pm Quote: it's free water ...that costs a lot more than turning on a tap.
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Reply #77 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:28pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 6:35pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 1:25pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:24am:

Why should everyone have a water tank?

Because it makes sense.

On account of being able to get water by turning on a tap?

On account of letting your catchment area run into the sea in most cities, a couple of tanks could easily service most households, with a pump, or gravity feed the lawn. I never drink from rainwater tanks though.

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Reply #78 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:29pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

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it's free water

...that costs a lot more than turning on a tap.

Sure it may when you factor in the cost of tanks, how long does it take to recoup the costs of the tanks, but it's water that is not subject to restrictions which are more and more frequent. Lismore now gets restrictions because our water is now sent to the coast with it's ever increasing population and is now considering restrictions when the Rocky Creek dam is at 60%. Rainwater here is good and clean.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49488 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #79 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:37pm Quote: Sure it may when you factor in the cost of tanks, how long does it take to recoup the costs of the tanks Longer than the life of the tank.
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Reply #80 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:43pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:37pm:

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Sure it may when you factor in the cost of tanks, how long does it take to recoup the costs of the tanks

Longer than the life of the tank.

What about the rest?

What is the cost of reestablishing gardens etc lost to restrictions? There is not only the cost of water/tanks to look at.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49488 At my desk.	Re: mindless hysterics from climate skeptics Reply #81 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:49pm Water restrictions are a sign of government mismanagement of the water supply. If we had to line up for food people would burn down parliament house, but the government has convinced us that rationing water is some kind of moral imperative.
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Reply #82 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:53pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:49pm:

Water restrictions are a sign of government mismanagement of the water supply. If we had to line up for food people would burn down parliament house, but the government has convinced us that rationing water is some kind of moral imperative.

That's not the point though. If you have a need for water and you can't use what comes through the pipes, what do you do? Tanks cost money, gardens cost money, lawns cost money, filling pools for the kids costs money. It's like you are saying we get electricity from the wires, we don't need solar or god forbid, generators.

Water tanks, solar/batteries, generators can make a difference in the face of bad governance.

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Reply #84 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:48pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:42pm:

I got a water tank a while back. The government paid for it. That's when I did the maths to see how much sense it made.

If it's a choice between tank water and nothing, I would go with tank water.

See, not so hard. Do you have solar/batteries/generator too? Anything that relieves you of your reliance on the govt we have these days will probably pay off, even if it's not entirely economically reasonable.

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Reply #85 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:52pm

I almost got solar when the government was subsidising it most heavily, but I was concerned about the risks (electrocution), and putting holes in the roof. I don't have solar, batteries or a generator. Not sure I would see it as reducing my reliance on the government. I would only get it if the government paid for it for me.

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Reply #86 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:57pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:52pm:

I almost got solar when the government was subsidising it most heavily, but I was concerned about the risks (electrocution), and putting holes in the roof. I don't have solar, batteries or a generator. Not sure I would see it as reducing my reliance on the government. I would only get it if the government paid for it for me.

If the supply was cut, what would you have? Dark? Rotting food? What would be the cost? We see a storm in Sydney took the power out for how long? In the richest suburbs of Sydney? Those with solar would have had their fridge and freezers working.

It's really a non brainer. If the govt says it will pay for something like that, take it.

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Reply #87 - Nov 28^th, 2019 at 10:04pm

I put up money for a local start up green energy company here, Enova. I have 1250 shares in it. All it's energy is supposed to be green. I thought, WTF, lets support it. It's still growing. My aim wasn't to make money from it but to give them the chance to make it work. It's still going and I hope it continues. It will buy your solar or other green energy.

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Reply #88 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 7:00am

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

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it's free water

...that costs a lot more than turning on a tap.

At a $1.77 a kiloliter for town water I don't think so?

It can be used to supplement toilet water use, watering plants & washing a vehicle during water restriction times.

And depending on location ... drinking water.

Besides that a bit of birdshyte in the water is better than ingesting fluoridated tap water.

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Reply #89 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 7:41pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:57pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2019 at 9:52pm:

I almost got solar when the government was subsidising it most heavily, but I was concerned about the risks (electrocution), and putting holes in the roof. I don't have solar, batteries or a generator. Not sure I would see it as reducing my reliance on the government. I would only get it if the government paid for it for me.

If the supply was cut, what would you have? Dark? Rotting food? What would be the cost? We see a storm in Sydney took the power out for how long? In the richest suburbs of Sydney? Those with solar would have had their fridge and freezers working.

It's really a non brainer. If the govt says it will pay for something like that, take it.

I'd have to keep the fridge and freezer closed. Worst case scenario I would live off CC's and warm beer for a day.

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At a $1.77 a kiloliter for town water I don't think so?

So 0.177c per litre?

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It can be used to supplement toilet water use

What does that come to? Half a cent per flush?

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