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Reply #15 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:55am

Gordon wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:22am:

Phil, YA DICKHEAD

New generation of nuclear reactors could consume radioactive waste as fuel

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/02/nuclear-reactors-consume-rad...

An article over 7 years old with no indication the technology is valid or reliable....It aint gonna happen for the reasons I stated ya dickhead!!!

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Reply #16 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:00am

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:23am:

Yeah nah, it's not going to happen.

Way too expensive, way too dangerous, way too long to come on stream anyway even if it did get the go-ahead.

Maybe 10 to 15 years to get one built and running?

Solar and Wind are far cheaper and quicker to get going. Cool

When Sydney and Melbourne are 10m each how will everyone recharge their electric cars at night?

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Reply #17 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:06am

Gordon wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:00am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:23am:

Yeah nah, it's not going to happen.

Way too expensive, way too dangerous, way too long to come on stream anyway even if it did get the go-ahead.

Maybe 10 to 15 years to get one built and running?

Solar and Wind are far cheaper and quicker to get going. Cool

When Sydney and Melbourne are 10m each how will everyone recharge their electric cars at night?

Via stored renewable energy. Cool

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Re: We Don't Want Nuclear Power
Reply #18 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:12am

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:06am:

Gordon wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:00am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:23am:

Yeah nah, it's not going to happen.

Way too expensive, way too dangerous, way too long to come on stream anyway even if it did get the go-ahead.

Maybe 10 to 15 years to get one built and running?

Solar and Wind are far cheaper and quicker to get going. Cool

When Sydney and Melbourne are 10m each how will everyone recharge their electric cars at night?

Via stored renewable energy. Cool

Stored where? Batteries aren't clean.

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Reply #19 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:13am

Proponents says Gen 4 reactors will be built to be immune to meltdowns. They will have far lower carbon emissions than even wind and solar, along with vastly greater reliability and energy production capabilities. Best of all, they can be built on a massive scale in the next few decades, fast enough to meet our collective challenge of lowering carbon emissions

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/national/david-staples-fear-not-new-nuclear-rea...

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Reply #20 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:22am

Gordon wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:12am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:06am:

Gordon wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:00am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:23am:

Yeah nah, it's not going to happen.

Way too expensive, way too dangerous, way too long to come on stream anyway even if it did get the go-ahead.

Maybe 10 to 15 years to get one built and running?

Solar and Wind are far cheaper and quicker to get going. Cool

When Sydney and Melbourne are 10m each how will everyone recharge their electric cars at night?

Via stored renewable energy. Cool

Stored where? Batteries aren't clean.

A hell of a lot cleaner than nukes. Wink

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Reply #21 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:37am

Is the silly old BlackDay a closet Greeny ? Or is he just parroting some GetUp! propaganda ?

The Greenies do NOT want nuclear power because it is cheap and reliable and CAN supply the HATED INDUSTRY that the Greenies want to close down in Australia.

The Greenies want the useless unreliable renewable rubbish because it cripples Australia's electricity supply and makes electricity very expensive. Just look at the wreckage in Sth Australia with is unreliable renewable rubbish totally dependent on the link to the Victorian coal fields.

How does France get away with years of safe reliable nuclear power ?

And how many of USA's nuclear powered subs and aircraft carriers have blown up ?

The PERFECT solution for Australia is a nuclear power station in Sth Aust together with a nuclear dump there and supplied by Sth Aust's vast supply of uranium.

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Reply #22 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:38am

UnionsACT proudly joins large community coalition against nuclear energy

Unions ACT. September 2019

UnionsACT has joined with a broad coalition of faith, union, environmental, Aboriginal and public health groups, representing millions of Australians, who has come together to send a clear message to federal politicians that our energy future is renewable, not radioactive.

The groups have released a shared statement in response to the federal parliamentary inquiry into prospects for nuclear power in Australia. Public submissions to the inquiry close today.

For many decades, UnionsACT has proudly stood with nuclear-free campaigners, and we oppose Australia creating a domestic nuclear energy industry. UnionsACT also calls for the complete abolition of all nuclear weapons.
Endorsing Organisations

Trade unions

Australian Council of Trade Unions

Australian Education Union

Australian Manufacturing Workers Union

Australian Nursing and Midwifery Federation

Australian Services Union

Communication Workers Union

Electrical Trades Union

Independent Education Union (Vic – Tas)

Maritime Union of Australia

National Union of Workers

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Victorian Trades Hall Council

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Australian Conservation Foundation

Arid Lands Environment Centre

Conservation Council SA

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Environment Victoria

Environs Kimberley

Friends of the Earth Australia

Gene Ethics Network

Greenpeace Australia Pacific

Mineral Policy Institute

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Nature Conservation Council NSW

Queensland Conservation Council

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Australian Nuclear Free Alliance

Gundjehmi Aboriginal Corporation

No Dump Alliance

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Uniting Church of Australia (Vic – Tas)

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Parramatta Climate Action Network

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: We Don't Want Nuclear Power Reply #23 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 10:51am The idiotic union/GetUp! propaganda parrot BlackDay is squawking so loud he nearly fell off his perch. What a dill who wouldn't know what day it is. The silly old coot is sucked in by some Greeny garbage.
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Re: We Don't Want Nuclear Power
Reply #24 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 2:29pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:55am:

Gordon wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 9:22am:

Phil, YA DICKHEAD

New generation of nuclear reactors could consume radioactive waste as fuel

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/feb/02/nuclear-reactors-consume-rad...

An article over 7 years old with no indication the technology is valid or reliable....It aint gonna happen for the reasons I stated ya dickhead!!!

Roll Eyes

The BN-800 is a Generation IV Sodium Cooled Fast Reactor that has been in operation since 2016:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BN-800_reactor

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Re: We Don't Want Nuclear Power
Reply #25 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 2:40pm

A Thorium Molten Salt Fast Reactor to be built by Thorcon. Thorcon estimate they can build such plants at a cost of US$1 per watt:

They are planning on building a 500 MW unit in Indonesia:

PAL Indonesia, Thorcon sign deal to build $1.2 billion nuclear reactor

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-nuclearpower/pal-indonesia-thorcon-...

In my opinion, this is the best Molten Salt Reactor design I've come across:

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Reply #26 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 2:54pm

These guys reviewed Mark Jacobson's proposal for a 100% renewable grid in the United States. They estimate it would cost US$20 Trillion, versus US$7 Trillion for nuclear:

Renewables are more resource intensive as well. A lot of water:

The spiralling environmental cost of our lithium battery addiction

"It’s a relatively cheap and effective process, but it uses a lot of water – approximately 500,000 gallons per tonne of lithium. In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, mining activities consumed 65 per cent of the region’s water."

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

A lot of copper:

A lot more resources in general:

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Re: We Don't Want Nuclear Power
Reply #27 - Dec 2^nd, 2019 at 5:42pm

Now to blow the lying propaganda parrot Blackday out of the water. What a twit.

It is sort of funny how the Greenies' Climate Change SCAM is being used to get uranium off the ground.

Uranium support gains strength amid nuclear ban
December 2, 2019News Vanessa Zhou

An aerial view of the Honeymoon site. Image: Boss Resources.

Four in 10 Australians want the ban on nuclear power lifted, according to polling by JWS Research.

The polling shows that 39 per cent of people support the use of nuclear power in Australia, in contrast to 33 per cent of people in opposition.

This polling was part of a Minerals Council of Australia (MCA) research, which involved 1500 Australians and focus groups in Sydney and Melbourne. More than half of those surveyed were unaware nuclear power was banned in Australia.

The MCA has been advocating the use of safe, zero-emissions nuclear power in recent years.

“Climate change is real and as global energy demand increases, so does the need to diversify our power supplies and reduce emissions through technology,” MCA chief executive Tania Constable said.

“Nuclear energy is safe, reliable and affordable. It provides around 10 per cent of the world’s electricity with zero emissions.”

Australia has the world’s largest uranium deposits, but the use of nuclear power is prohibited in two acts of parliament, the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act 1999 and Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Act 1998.

“Any government serious about addressing climate change must consider nuclear in its energy mix,” Constable said.

Boss Resources is one Australia company that is working to revive its uranium project.

Its South Australian based-Honeymoon project has entered the definitive feasibility study stage of a restart program as the uranium market was heading towards recovery.

Uranium produced from Honeymoon will be exported to countries meeting Australia’s uranium policy, namely those observing the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and other safeguards requirements.

https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/uranium-support-gains-strength-amid-nuc...

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