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Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:37am
 
Nuclear inquiry sparks industry campaign to lift moratorium   Sad

December 1, 2019
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The Minerals Council is ramping up its long-run campaign to remove Australia’s ban on nuclear power, claiming new market research shows majority community support for the technology.

Federal Parliament banned nuclear power in 1998, and the moratorium has remained in place with bipartisan support ever since.


A nuclear power plant in Cattenom, France. The Minerals Council is mounting a campaign to lift the nuclear ban in Australia.   Sad

The Morrison government has asked the House of Representatives Standing Committee on Environment and Energy to investigate the prerequisites for nuclear energy in Australia.

According to the Minerals Council of Australia, one prerequisite for nuclear power, community support, could be achieved if the public are properly informed about the technology.


The Minerals Council commissioned JWS Research to sample Australians’ support for nuclear power. The survey of 1500 people found 40 per cent support nuclear power and 33 per cent oppose it.

The support for nuclear energy rose to 47 per cent when respondents were presented a range of positive and negative facts about the technology.

“The more people learn about it, the greater the support for nuclear energy,” said Minerals Council chief executive Tania Constable.

She said the survey showed politicians that Australians wanted nuclear to be considered in their future energy mix.

“This should give them the courage to act. Any government serious about addressing climate change must be looking at nuclear, the zero-emissions foundation of electricity systems across the globe.”

Focus groups identified the top four positive and negative factors that influenced people's opinions on nuclear power. These factors were then put to the survey respondents.

The factors for nuclear energy were delivery of emissions-free power around the clock, Australia’s vast landmass could safely house reactors in remote locations, increased uranium mining, and nuclear power plants could bring jobs growth, and Australia already permits uranium exports - which could be utilised at home.

The factors against nuclear energy were the potential for human error to cause accidents at a reactor or waste facility, previous catastrophic failures such as Three Mile Island and Fukushima, concerns of health impacts for people living near reactors or waste facilities, and the risk that uranium exports could be used for weapons.   Shocked

Energy analyst Lazard’s estimates the current cost of energy production for nuclear is more expensive than renewables.   Sad


The levelised cost of solar power around the world for solar power is about $60 per megawatt hour, $42/Mwh for wind, $145/Mwh for coal, and $220/Mwh for nuclear.

Nuclear power production costs could come with new technology. Small to medium sized reactors are proposed as potential cost savers, but there are no commercial examples in operation.

Government contributions would likely be required to underwrite private investment in a nuclear power plant in Australia. The cost of building Britain’s first nuclear plant in a generation, Hinkley Point, has blown out to more than $42 billion. It is contracted to supply the government with power at $176/Mwh.

The Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis submission to the inquiry believes nuclear is one of the most expensive power sources.

“The construction of nuclear power plants has proven to be an economic disaster for the corporations involved and a massive waste of public monies, given the plants are all entirely reliant on government financial subsidies,” IEEFA said. 

The Minerals Council submission said nuclear’s zero emissions power generation had to be incorporated into Australia’s future energy mix.
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Reply #1 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:50am
 
We dont need it - one thing australia has a lot of is sun

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Reply #2 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 5:21am
 
We won't have to wait long for safe, Thorium power:


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Reply #3 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:10am
 
It's very odd because nuclear power is the only power which is carbon neutral
And spot can talk about solar but how are you going to have electricity at night
Maybe if battery storage improves it will be possible but at the moment we have the worst of all worlds

We have to pay for incredibly expensive wind turbines and solar to be setup but we also have to have coal fired stations fully man ready 2GO in case we have a day with no wind and no sunshine

Small nuclear reactors which could be kicked online when the wind isn't blowing in the sun as in shining would be a very sensible carbon-neutral alternative
It's quite odd that the left don't understand this
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Reply #4 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:22am
 
The factors against nuclear energy were the potential for human error to cause accidents at a reactor or waste facility, previous catastrophic failures such as Three Mile Island and Fukushima, concerns of health impacts for people living near reactors or waste facilities, and the risk that uranium exports could be used for weapons.   Shocked
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Reply #5 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 7:35am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:50am:
We dont need it - one thing australia has a lot of is sun

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Correct.

There is a lot more hydrogen in the Sun than there are fissile isotopes in the Earth.
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Reply #6 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 7:36am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 6:10am:
It's very odd because nuclear power is the only power which is carbon neutral

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Reply #7 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 8:01am
 
The Coalition will do the bidding of it's masters "The Minerals Council of Australia"???

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Reply #8 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 8:17am
 
So the argument against using gen4 reactors is incidents with gen1 reactors.

The left don't want nuclear power because they associate it with capitalism .
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Reply #9 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 8:34am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 4:50am:
We dont need it - one thing australia has a lot of is sun

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Dare I say it?

Spot on!  Smiley


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Reply #10 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 9:03am
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 8:17am:
So the argument against using gen4 reactors is incidents with gen1 reactors.

The left don't want nuclear power because they associate it with capitalism .


The argument is it is too expensive and the waste needs to be safely and securely stored for thousands of years....Have you factored in these costs to your idiotic support of the Minerals Council ya dickhead....This is a push by the Minerals Council to make Australia the nuclear waste dump of the world....I nominate Aqua's slum for the first waste dump???

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https://www.wiseinternational.org/nuclear-monitor/808/australian-push-become-wor...

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Nuclear waste: residents near proposed dump told to sign draconian code of conduct

Code bans residents from taking notes or recording any part of meetings without prior agreement


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Reply #11 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 9:12am
 
The Government WILL start putting more Nuclear Reactors in Australia.
The notion that it will benefit the 'Energy' crises is what they will sell to the Public.
What the PRICE will be, will be a proliferation of Nuclear 'Arms' in Australia.
A Drone can take pretty photos, but it can also deliver a bomb.
Under the guidance of the USA. Australia (in the Region of Sahul) will help protect the World towards Peace, with the help of South America also, the Middle-East will finally lead the way with the unification of Islam & Israel (PEACE!) as 'IstarI' (is-ta-ri)... the 'Star of Peace between the Two Pillars of Heaven'.

Anyway, you're gonna get Nuclear Reactors wether you like it or not.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 9:19am
 
Jasin wrote on Dec 2nd, 2019 at 9:12am:
The Government WILL start putting more Nuclear Reactors in Australia.
The notion that it will benefit the 'Energy' crises is what they will sell to the Public.
What the PRICE will be, will be a proliferation of Nuclear 'Arms' in Australia.
A Drone can take pretty photos, but it can also deliver a bomb.
Under the guidance of the USA. Australia (in the Region of Sahul) will help protect the World towards Peace, with the help of South America also, the Middle-East will finally lead the way with the unification of Islam & Israel (PEACE!) as 'IstarI' (is-ta-ri)... the 'Star of Peace between the Two Pillars of Heaven'.

Anyway, you're gonna get Nuclear Reactors whether you like it or not.


Bullshit....Without bi partisan support the nuclear industry will not get finance due to the risk and uncertainty posed by our 3 year election cycle....If Labor do not support it it will not happen!!!

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Reply #13 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 9:22am
 
Phil, YA DICKHEAD

New generation of nuclear reactors could consume radioactive waste as fuel


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Reply #14 - Dec 2nd, 2019 at 9:23am
 
Yeah nah, it's not going to happen.

Way too expensive, way too dangerous, way too long to come on stream anyway even if it did get the go-ahead.

Maybe 10 to 15 years to get one built and running?

Solar and Wind are far cheaper and quicker to get going.  Cool



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