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Reply #15 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:52am

Gordon wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:43am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:29am:

Gordon wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:19am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:06am:

Gordon wrote on Dec 17^th, 2019 at 5:01pm:

Sorry to say but the kids brain was probably already fried from the mothers ice use in utero.

Ice is a huge problem within the Mt Druitt Aboriginal community.

So this would be the hard bigotry of low expectations then.

No, just the hard reality of how dysfunctional Abos are in places like Druitt.

The father was probably a FAS baby himself so had no chance of raising a child.

There is no suggestion of drugs. You are simply, again, relegating people to worst case scenarios of their demographics.

It's unsurprising. It's how the brain bypasses the logic naturally assumed by the brain to perpetuate bigotry.

It's true. I do believe that even you could be smarter if you weren't such a knee-jerk racist.

Druitt.
85% chance the dad was on ice.
85% chance the dad was a FAS baby and had poor impulse control

this thread gordy is about a dead baby mothra isnt interested in that part..... I thought you were different..no good showing stats and stuff shes not interested bigotry.. every thread shes been in this morning has been personal... now i am doing it... Sad

she brings out the worst in people.... who needs that????.....I have this image of her in my head now.. ugh! Aunty Jack do you remember him?....

its sad but for some unknown reason she hates everything I say....even stuff I dont say.... Cheesy

I seem to be able to chat almost normal chats....to everyone here bar mothra....

its straight in boots and all....thats every topic... Sad

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35587 Gender:	Re: another baby dead.. Reply #16 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35587 Gender:	Re: another baby dead.. Reply #17 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:56am Oh, and they weren't stats. Even though they had a fancy '%' attached.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: another baby dead.. Reply #18 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am: Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me! no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby.. but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet...
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: another baby dead.. Reply #19 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:59am mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:56am: Oh, and they weren't stats. Even though they had a fancy '%' attached. now its trivial pursuit..... you must have struck a nerve gordy....or in future.. forget the % ... its another red rag..
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Reply #20 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 8:01am

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!

no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby..

but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet... Cry

Gordy's already covered that. It's better off dead because it's parents were wastoids.

You agreed.

Have you forgotten? He even gave you the stats!

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Reply #21 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:10am

Poor Moths trying to defend the indefensible.

Mt Druitt and surrounds is one of the most dysfunctional parts of Sydney with ice use, alcoholism, child abuse, but she wouldn't know because she lives so far away she may as well be on another planet.

When ever there's an abused or murdered child chances are it happened in that area.

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Reply #22 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 9:54am

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 8:01am:

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!

no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby..

but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet... Cry

Gordy's already covered that. It's better off dead because it's parents were wastoids.

You agreed.

Have you forgotten? He even gave you the stats!

this is mothras logic it makes sense to her.... [mostly made up..

gordy said...reply 1... Quote:

Sorry to say but the kids brain was probably already fried from the mothers ice use in utero.

Ice is a huge problem within the Mt Druitt Aboriginal community.

reply 2 cods said. Quote:

.oh I didnt know that... It doesnt matter to me what colour or culture its murder.... I cannot fathom our laws.....how do you know drugs involved gordy?..

in which case I ask once again why is a baby left in those situations.?? dont tell me no one knew about the drugs Angry

and that according to mothra is cods agreeing with gordy...

it all in her tiny non absorbing brain..she only allows in what SHE THINKS... not what really happens...

also gordy stats were addressed to her Roll Eyes

watch now.. aunty will deny all of it... or reflect it back onto me or gordy....

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Reply #23 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 11:52am

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!

no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby..

but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet... Cry

But do you not see cods, Gordon had no regret for the baby at all. In the very first post he suggested is that the mother is drug affected, and therefore the baby was defective with no evidence at all.

This is ALOT worse in my opinion, when Mothra is trying demonstrate his fallacy.

I personally think your opinion is grossly biased in this case.

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Reply #24 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:03pm

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 11:52am:

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!

no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby..

but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet... Cry

But do you not see cods, Gordon had no regret for the baby at all. In the very first post he suggested is that the mother is drug affected, and therefore the baby was defective with no evidence at all.

This is ALOT worse in my opinion, when Mothra is trying demonstrate his fallacy.

I personally think your opinion is grossly biased in this case.

I agree to and extent.... I dont think gordy should have brought that up unless he had evidence...I agree but did it warrant the attack from mothra?.... why couldnt she just ask him for the evidence of drugs.....he admits he put two and two together Mt Druit what else.. Roll Eyes

... all I asked was shouldnt he the father be charged with murder? and not manslaughter.......so far no one including you has given me their opinion on that.....

do you think I should have copped the abuse and lies mothra spit out?

you think they were justified tickle?????..

how about accusing gordon of saying the baby is better off dead....

nowhere does he say that or even suggest it... its all in her mind...

your point is taken I will remember that in future

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Reply #25 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:05pm

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 11:52am:

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!

no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby..

but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet... Cry

But do you not see cods, Gordon had no regret for the baby at all. In the very first post he suggested is that the mother is drug affected, and therefore the baby was defective with no evidence at all.

This is ALOT worse in my opinion, when Mothra is trying demonstrate his fallacy.

I personally think your opinion is grossly biased in this case.

I agree to and extent.... I dont think gordy should have brought that up unless he had evidence...I agree but did it warrant the attack from mothra?.... why couldnt she just ask him for the evidence of drugs.....he admits he put two and two together Mt Druit what else.. Roll Eyes

... all I asked was shouldnt he the father be charged with murder? and not manslaughter.......so far no one including you has given me their opinion on that.....

do you think I should have copped the abuse and lies mothra spit out?

you think they were justified tickle?????..

how about accusing gordon of saying the baby is better off dead....

nowhere does he say that or even suggest it... its all in her mind...

your point is taken I will remember that in future

Oh Cods, chill, girl. I think we both have being here long enough to know, that once Mothra and Gordon gets started, there is no stopping. Best to stay out of it.

Anyway, in this case. It is manslaughter, because, the prosecutors would have trouble establishing intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt. The plantiff could easily plea for manslaughter, as sort of accidental death with no intent. UNLESS, of course, the father have documented how he wanted to kill his baby, and estabilish motive (e.g. to hurt mother / to claim insurance), then murder charge wont stand. Only in very rare circumstances, the jury would convict someone on 'instantaneous' intent to murder.

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Reply #26 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:19pm

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 11:52am:

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!

no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby..

but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet... Cry

But do you not see cods, Gordon had no regret for the baby at all. In the very first post he suggested is that the mother is drug affected, and therefore the baby was defective with no evidence at all.

This is ALOT worse in my opinion, when Mothra is trying demonstrate his fallacy.

I personally think your opinion is grossly biased in this case.

I agree to and extent.... I dont think gordy should have brought that up unless he had evidence...I agree but did it warrant the attack from mothra?.... why couldnt she just ask him for the evidence of drugs.....he admits he put two and two together Mt Druit what else.. Roll Eyes

... all I asked was shouldnt he the father be charged with murder? and not manslaughter.......so far no one including you has given me their opinion on that.....

do you think I should have copped the abuse and lies mothra spit out?

you think they were justified tickle?????..

how about accusing gordon of saying the baby is better off dead....

nowhere does he say that or even suggest it... its all in her mind...

your point is taken I will remember that in future

Oh Cods, chill, girl. I think we both have being here long enough to know, that once Mothra and Gordon gets started, there is no stopping. Best to stay out of it.

Anyway, in this case. It is manslaughter, because, the prosecutors would have trouble establishing intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt. The plantiff could easily plea for manslaughter, as sort of accidental death with no intent. UNLESS, of course, the father have documented how he wanted to kill his baby, and estabilish motive (e.g. to hurt mother / to claim insurance), then murder charge wont stand. Only in very rare circumstances, the jury would convict someone on 'instantaneous' intent to murder.

I get that but is it a fair call the baby didnt stand a chance....it has no voice..only the court....unless someone was there and these mongrels usually make sure they are alone....my feelings are manslaughter he will get at the most 6 years we have seen it in the past... the child is dead dig a hole and forget it...

someone has to stand up and say our law are rubbish........if he dropped the baby and it dies I would say yes unintentional.... but shaking till its tiny brain is smashed no way.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20793 Gordon Gender:	Re: another baby dead.. Reply #27 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:25pm Course I don't have evidence but chances are.... Seriously Mt Druitt is the stuff of nighmares. Kill the messenger if you want but get a clue about the area and cone back informed.
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Reply #28 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:29pm

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:19pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:05pm:

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:03pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 11:52am:

cods wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:57am:

mothra wrote on Dec 18^th, 2019 at 7:54am:

Quick Gordy! Cods needs you to say mean things about me!

no dear I was waiting for you to mention the dead baby..

but thats not the issue in this topic is it pet... Cry

But do you not see cods, Gordon had no regret for the baby at all. In the very first post he suggested is that the mother is drug affected, and therefore the baby was defective with no evidence at all.

This is ALOT worse in my opinion, when Mothra is trying demonstrate his fallacy.

I personally think your opinion is grossly biased in this case.

I agree to and extent.... I dont think gordy should have brought that up unless he had evidence...I agree but did it warrant the attack from mothra?.... why couldnt she just ask him for the evidence of drugs.....he admits he put two and two together Mt Druit what else.. Roll Eyes

... all I asked was shouldnt he the father be charged with murder? and not manslaughter.......so far no one including you has given me their opinion on that.....

do you think I should have copped the abuse and lies mothra spit out?

you think they were justified tickle?????..

how about accusing gordon of saying the baby is better off dead....

nowhere does he say that or even suggest it... its all in her mind...

your point is taken I will remember that in future

Oh Cods, chill, girl. I think we both have being here long enough to know, that once Mothra and Gordon gets started, there is no stopping. Best to stay out of it.

Anyway, in this case. It is manslaughter, because, the prosecutors would have trouble establishing intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt. The plantiff could easily plea for manslaughter, as sort of accidental death with no intent. UNLESS, of course, the father have documented how he wanted to kill his baby, and estabilish motive (e.g. to hurt mother / to claim insurance), then murder charge wont stand. Only in very rare circumstances, the jury would convict someone on 'instantaneous' intent to murder.

I get that but is it a fair call the baby didnt stand a chance....it has no voice..only the court....unless someone was there and these mongrels usually make sure they are alone....my feelings are manslaughter he will get at the most 6 years we have seen it in the past... the child is dead dig a hole and forget it...

someone has to stand up and say our law are rubbish........if he dropped the baby and it dies I would say yes unintentional.... but shaking till its tiny brain is smashed no way.

I think I know what you mean. Perhaps, we should look into increase the scale of penalty of manslaughter, or even establish a new criminal code with adequate penalties. However, even then, you cant expect the penalty to be that of equivalent to a murder - as the conviction of murder requires a higher standard of evidence, and rightfully so.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: another baby dead.. Reply #29 - Dec 18^th, 2019 at 12:29pm yes I understand that gordy and you living closer would understand that more than I.. I am getting done for not exploiting that tho... as we know mothra doesnt tread lightly... I do like my arms and I do need them
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