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The Strong Economic Case For Increasing Newstart
Jan 3rd, 2020 at 3:37am
 
January 1 2020
The economic case for increasing Newstart
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Imagine a single policy that could boost our lacklustre economy by $4 billion, create an additional 12,000 jobs by 2021, disproportionately support regional and remote communities doing it tough with drought and bushfires, reduce inequality by benefiting the poorest fifth of Australians 28 times more than the richest, disproportionately support women, boost wages and corporate profits, and increase federal and state tax revenue by more than $1.25 billion.


Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, Newstart has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years.

Now suppose this policy has longer-term benefits: that it could automatically boost the economy during times of weakness without the time lags associated with infrastructure and other stimulus spending; that it would automatically withdraw from the economy when times were good without the permanent cost of tax cuts and other stimulus measures; and that it would boost GDP growth and reduce economic volatility.

And suppose the cost of this policy was only 0.6 per cent of the federal budget, meaning it could be funded without losing the politically cherished budget surplus.

Sound good? Then, congratulations, you support increasing Newstart.

Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed. Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, it has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years. This is bad news for the economy, and even worse news for the 723,000 people who are forced to live off it.

While the age pension has doubled in real terms since 2000, Newstart has remained unchanged. The reason is simple, but illogical. Newstart is indexed against inflation, whereas other government payments are indexed against wages, which more accurately measure living standards. If inflation and wages moved together, this wouldn't be a problem. But wages have outgrown inflation by 40 per cent over the past 25 years, meaning that Newstart recipients, in real terms, have fallen far behind.

By any measure, people on Newstart are among the most disadvantaged. If a society can be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable, Australia is not looking good. An analysis by ANU economists Ben Phillips, Matthew Gray, Cukkoo Joseph and Richard Webster shows that the poverty rate among households that depend on allowances as their primary income rose from 39 per cent in 1993 to 80 per cent in 2017.

Before we get onto the economics, it's worth rebutting some of the common misconceptions about Newstart.

The idea that people on Newstart are lazy young urban-dwellers is not only factually incorrect (the typical Newstart recipient is a middle-aged woman living outside the big cities) but ignores the fact that, across the economy, there is only one vacant job for every 4.4 unemployed people. It's hard to take a job that doesn't exist. And despite all its controversy, Newstart happens to be one of the cheaper welfare programs around, costing less than one-seventh of the age pension. Increasing Newstart is also the quickest, easiest and most effective way of reducing poverty in Australia.

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The argument that increasing Newstart reduces the incentive to find a job is similarly baseless. Newstart is so low that the Grattan Institute has found that it stops people looking for work. Many people on Newstart already have jobs but cannot get enough hours. And if you're aware of research findings on intergenerational disadvantage, you'll know that your childhood postcode shapes your life outcomes. Demonising the poor, in other words, is a bit like demonising someone who didn't win at a game of luck.

There is also a strong economic case for increasing Newstart.

Consider the short-term benefits first. You didn't have to go to the Boxing Day sales to know that the economy is not doing well. And it's little wonder. Compared to the first half of the decade, retail spending growth over the past five years is down 30 per cent, quarterly wage growth is down 40 per cent and consumption growth is down 15 per cent. The rate at which the economy creates new businesses has fallen from 14 to 11 per cent. Investment now contracts each quarter by an average of 0.4 per cent and productivity growth has flatlined. GDP growth remains around global financial crisis levels.

What the economy needs is more demand. While businesses have stopped investing and expanding, their profits are at record highs, the ASX200 has broken new ground, bond yields and interest rates are at record lows and share buybacks and dividend payouts are at unprecedented levels. The message from the data is clear: businesses are awash with cash, and can easily get more if they want it, but they will only invest and hire if there is demand for what they sell.

Enter Newstart. The ANU's economists show that the poverty gap for people on Newstart - the absolute difference between a household's income and the poverty line - has increased five fold.
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Re: The Strong Economic Case For Increasing Newstart
Reply #1 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:12am
 
Breast milk is very nutritious

One could mount a strong nutritional case 4 people remaining on breast milk into their 50s or 60s
There is a strong economic case that can be mounted for the bush tick to remain in its parasitic form indefinitely

Where is the economic case for anyone to ever give up government breast milk and create their own supply nutrients
Where is there an economic case for anyone to ever assume individual responsibility

And yet we know that it is only through assuming responsibility
First for ourselves
Then for ourselves in our partner
Then for ourselves and our partner and our workplace
Then for ourselves and our partner and our workplace and our community
That we find any joy and meaning in life

There is no joy in being a taker
There is no joy in remaining a toddler on breastmilk for life
There is no joy in living the life of a bush tick

It is only through bearing a load
And realising that you are stronger than you thought
That you can find true meaning

And if you're only meaning in life is to pleasure yourself
And expect others to spoon feed you
Change your diapers
Keep you safe in a room
Covered with a sheet so nothing can hurt you
Then you will inevitably become nihilistic lost bitter resentful
And probably you will live a life of pure garbage
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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:29am
 
Quote:
Newstart is so low that the Grattan Institute has found that it stops people looking for work.


How does that work?
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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:32am
 
This Topic was moved here from Federal Politics by freediver.
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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:21am
 
More Blackday GetUp! concocted FAKE NEWS trash moved to the rubbish tin.
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Reply #5 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:37am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 6:29am:
Quote:
Newstart is so low that the Grattan Institute has found that it stops people looking for work.


How does that work?


I would imagine that the argument from White Knight would be that if you have 0 cash
It is hard to afford nice clothes an automobile to drive and sweet smelling aftershave to impress a potential employer

What people who can't afford those things need to understand
Is that that makes it even more crucial
That they fight with every ounce of energy they have
And crawl through the mud
Elbows deep in the mud
And try and get themselves back onto the narrow road to success
And view the situation as a critical emergency

If you are that beaten down
Then you need to devote every resource you have
To trying to climb out of the pit in to which you have allowed yourself to fall

People who are already successful
Can afford the luxury of whining and complaining

If you are at the bottom of the hierarchy
If you are really doing it tough

Then you can afford no such luxury

You have to devote every fibre of your being
To propelling yourself forward

You really want a view yourself
As a person who's going to get down in the mud and the filth
And despite your aching bones
And despite the fact that you are exhausted
You are going to never give up until you crawl forward through that mud

It's the paradox that the people who can least afford the luxury of complaint and quitting
Are the people who are most prone 2 complaining and quitting

Go ahead and try it as a strategy
Get back to us in 5 years
My prediction is that you will be in a worse situation than you are at the moment
Recognising that as a fact
What harm would there be in taking aqua scoots excellent advice
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Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:45am
 
Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed. Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, it has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years. This is bad news for the economy, and even worse news for the 723,000 people who are forced to live off it.   Sad
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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:57am
 
whiteknight wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:45am:
Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed. Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, it has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years. This is bad news for the economy, and even worse news for the 723,000 people who are forced to live off it.   Sad



No one is forced to stay at the bottom of the hierarchy
No one is forced to remain on newstart

There has never been a land with more opportunities than Australia
There has never been a time of more prosperity then 2020

Any physically healthy Australian citizen who thinks that they should be a crybaby about their standard of living in Australia in 2020 has a severe mental health disability
They are completely out of touch with reality
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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 11:01am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:57am:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:45am:
Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed. Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, it has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years. This is bad news for the economy, and even worse news for the 723,000 people who are forced to live off it.   Sad



No one is forced to stay at the bottom of the hierarchy
No one is forced to remain on newstart

There has never been a land with more opportunities than Australia
There has never been a time of more prosperity then 2020

Any physically healthy Australian citizen who thinks that they should be a crybaby about their standard of living in Australia in 2020 has a severe mental health disability
They are completely out of touch with reality



Aqua,
you seem to believe that because you think something
that it's therefore true.

Fact check - it's normal for 200 people to apply for many jobs.
The odds of getting that job are small.
Some people can't get a job no matter how hard they try.
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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 11:21am
 
How much are narcissism, rigidity of thought, habitual dogma, blinkered ideology or simply a Self-serving attitude, involved in the reasoning behind the opposition to a rise in the Newstart allowance?

The consolidation of wealth and maximization of profits through squeezing the poor and middle classes can only go on for so long. It can only lead to a shrinking market and subsequent loss. But such is the way of Predatory Capitalism and the dog eat dog alpha stratagem, so it would seem.


"I'm baffled about the reason that seemingly intelligent people refuse to acknowledge the value of research and experts in the relevant field. The science shows that narcissists are usually those who dismiss the value of experts, but also those who are blinkered by their chosen ideology, those who adhere to habitual dogma and who struggle to see beyond their biases due to rigidity of thought. Of course, there are also those who benefit personally from a particular stance, especially in the short term. In that case, they choose to ignore the long term costs or think that they can avoid them. We see much of this in politicians."

Comment by J. M.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6561837/the-economic-case-for-increasing-...





 
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Re: The Strong Economic Case For Increasing Newstart
Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 11:37am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 11:01am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:57am:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:45am:
Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed. Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, it has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years. This is bad news for the economy, and even worse news for the 723,000 people who are forced to live off it.   Sad



No one is forced to stay at the bottom of the hierarchy
No one is forced to remain on newstart

There has never been a land with more opportunities than Australia
There has never been a time of more prosperity then 2020

Any physically healthy Australian citizen who thinks that they should be a crybaby about their standard of living in Australia in 2020 has a severe mental health disability
They are completely out of touch with reality



Aqua,
you seem to believe that because you think something
that it's therefore true.

Fact check - it's normal for 200 people to apply for many jobs.
The odds of getting that job are small.
Some people can't get a job no matter how hard they try.


I think Aqua is basically well meaning, but incredibly bound by his ideology.

From what I've seen of the other opposition here Juliar, they're simply acting like the usual greedy Self-serving Liberal persona that we've mostly come to expect.
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Reply #11 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 1:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 11:01am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:57am:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:45am:
Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed. Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, it has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years. This is bad news for the economy, and even worse news for the 723,000 people who are forced to live off it.   Sad



No one is forced to stay at the bottom of the hierarchy
No one is forced to remain on newstart

There has never been a land with more opportunities than Australia
There has never been a time of more prosperity then 2020

Any physically healthy Australian citizen who thinks that they should be a crybaby about their standard of living in Australia in 2020 has a severe mental health disability
They are completely out of touch with reality



Aqua,
you seem to believe that because you think something
that it's therefore true.

Fact check - it's normal for 200 people to apply for many jobs.
The odds of getting that job are small.
Some people can't get a job no matter how hard they try.



Bobby,

Even if we accept that is the case , is " not trying " a more successful strategy then " trying" ?
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Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 1:39pm
 
So if this economic case is so strong, why is no-one here able to say what it is?
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Reply #13 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 1:39pm:
So if this economic case is so strong, why is no-one here able to say what it is?



Did you happen to read the first post?

"Imagine a single policy that could boost our lacklustre economy by $4 billion, create an additional 12,000 jobs by 2021, disproportionately support regional and remote communities doing it tough with drought and bushfires, reduce inequality by benefiting the poorest fifth of Australians 28 times more than the richest, disproportionately support women, boost wages and corporate profits, and increase federal and state tax revenue by more than $1.25 billion."

"What the economy needs is more demand. While businesses have stopped investing and expanding, their profits are at record highs, the ASX200 has broken new ground, bond yields and interest rates are at record lows and share buybacks and dividend payouts are at unprecedented levels. The message from the data is clear: businesses are awash with cash, and can easily get more if they want it, but they will only invest and hire if there is demand for what they sell."



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Re: The Strong Economic Case For Increasing Newstart
Reply #14 - Jan 3rd, 2020 at 2:02pm
 
0ktema wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 11:37am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 11:01am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 10:57am:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 3rd, 2020 at 8:45am:
Newstart is the main income support payment for people who are unemployed. Compared to the age pension, disability support payments, the minimum wage and average wages, it has shrunk dramatically over the past 25 years. This is bad news for the economy, and even worse news for the 723,000 people who are forced to live off it.   Sad



No one is forced to stay at the bottom of the hierarchy
No one is forced to remain on newstart

There has never been a land with more opportunities than Australia
There has never been a time of more prosperity then 2020

Any physically healthy Australian citizen who thinks that they should be a crybaby about their standard of living in Australia in 2020 has a severe mental health disability
They are completely out of touch with reality



Aqua,
you seem to believe that because you think something
that it's therefore true.

Fact check - it's normal for 200 people to apply for many jobs.
The odds of getting that job are small.
Some people can't get a job no matter how hard they try.


I think Aqua is basically well meaning, but incredibly bound by his ideology.

From what I've seen of the other opposition here Juliar, they're simply acting like the usual greedy Self-serving Liberal persona that we've mostly come to expect.



Aqua should start up a business like Tony Robbins -
with his motivation speeches.


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