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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #15 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:42am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:19am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:56am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:46am:

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

Unfortunately it's probably true..

~ BUT ~

FREEDOM & LIBERTY.....they don't come without a cost.....

BTW....nobody gives a royal rats ass about your false comparisons, & meaningless death by gunfire competitions ..

Americas love the FREEDOMS they have, regardless of the price they may have to pay...

Americans will never give up their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Individually Keep & Bear Arms, & legally use those arms to defend themselves, & their loved ones, when, & if, the need ever arises..

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u could at least say that the 'right to bare arms' is way overdue for refinement. it was designed for a time before there was a military to defend the nation.

At least say that the death toll is too much and that an armed populace is no longer any defence against any invaders. An invading army will come with bombs and missiles against which an AR15 is useless. Do you think a MOAB deployed against a militia armed to the teeth wont turn them all into dogfood?

America will never make any concessions when it comes to OUR AMERICAN FREEDOMS & LIBERTIES!

Freedom & Liberty is, in part, choosing what principles we, as Free Americans, are willing to die for.....To us dying as Free Americans is a far better way to die, than living subject to the will & rule of potential tyrants, under the false belief we might continue to be free under their fictitious security.

Make your choices for you & yours.......America will be just fine.....Americans have always overcome all adversities, & will continue to do so for another 230+ years, regardless of what you may feel about how we go about it..............we live by our own rules, & under our own conditions......We don't tell you how to live, so don't presume you can tell us.....or that we will ever listen.

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how is freedom when it sacrifices 35000 dead in defence of a non-existent foe? he only enemies gun-loving americans have are other ful-loving americans.

you morons get into a drunken fight at a BBQ and leave 9 dead from gunshots. Here in australia, th same drunken BBQ fight leavaes back eyes and the occasional broken jaw.

you just dont get it. you just want a gun, nothing else. It is all about you.

You're entitled to your own Personal Opinions, but American Freedom will always enjoy the Individual Right to Keep & Bear Arms guaranteed & protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, regardless of your Personal Opinions, or the unfortunate, but sometimes necessary, price that has to be paid by the unfortunate few.

35,000 ÷ 339,000,000 = 0.00010324483

BTW........ ± 60% of those 35,000 (21,000) were suicides, where the person got 100% satisfaction, just as they intended, when using their firearm of choice, as they personally chose to do.

14,000 ÷ 339,000,000 = 0.00004129793

➤ PS.......How many were criminals who were
justifiably

killed/shot
by law enforcement or an armed American gun owner......male or female.......in the commission of a crime (theft, rape, murder, home invasion, etc....etc....)???

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so 35000 deaths is no problem to you? If someone blows up a Trump rally and kills 35000 people you will be okay with that since it is such a small number? After all, it was probably a patriot trying to defend actual freedom from a wannabe despot with the IQ of a carrot.

I would not wish a gun death on anyone close to you, but if it were to happen, I would not be terribly upset. it would after all be YOUR fault

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Nailed it.

Now, stand by for more mindless nationalistic bullshit.

More Pure BullSh!t

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #16 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:57am

God Bless
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Reply #18 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 12:37pm

Panther wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:57am:

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God Bless
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Also about every time you share it 30,000 or 40,000 people were shot dead.

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #19 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:05pm

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Armed Citizen Kills Shooter before he can kill more innocents...

Praise for the HERO who shot the Shooter......

What happened through the eyes of the HERO.....

Law abiding Americans use their Firearms an estimated ± 900,000 to 2,000,000 times a year defending life, as opposed to criminals who reprehensibly & illegally use firearms to take innocent lives about ± 10,000 times a year........

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58055 Here Gender:	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #20 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:06pm Always the same few who are happy to defend anything. 177 gun deaths in a day and all is ok - its only normal. About 1 every ten minutes is now acceptable in the US according to some. 3 children in the mix.
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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #21 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

An estimated 132 of those 177 were suicides

"As the fireworks burst to mark the new year, so did the guns. On New Year's Day there were 45 non-suicide gun violence deaths across America, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive research group. Including suicides by gun, there were 177 deaths."

"The data is collected in realtime from 6,500 sources and updated as new information in incidents is established. It includes homicides, murders, and unintentional and defensive killings. There were an estimated 132 suicides by gun on New Year's Day and 103 injuries."

Gun control has very little effect on the rate of suicide, other means are used if a gun is not available. Australia's suicide rate has hardly changed since Port Arthur and Howard's gun "buy back"

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #22 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:06pm:

Always the same few who are happy to defend anything.

177 gun deaths in a day and all is ok - its only normal.

About 1 every ten minutes is now acceptable in the US according to some. 3 children in the mix.

Next you'll be parading out cripple American Indians, eating American Apple Pie while doing a feathered war dance to beating drums!

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #23 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:28pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

An estimated 132 of those 177 were suicides

"As the fireworks burst to mark the new year, so did the guns. On New Year's Day there were 45 non-suicide gun violence deaths across America, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive research group. Including suicides by gun, there were 177 deaths."

"The data is collected in realtime from 6,500 sources and updated as new information in incidents is established. It includes homicides, murders, and unintentional and defensive killings. There were an estimated 132 suicides by gun on New Year's Day and 103 injuries."

Gun control has very little effect on the rate of suicide, other means are used if a gun is not available. Australia's suicide rate has hardly changed since Port Arthur and Howard's gun "buy back"

Most probably right.....a bit higher that the yearly average, but after all it was NYE..........

Suicides, where the gun user gets the 100% satisfaction they wanted.....that they alone chose....as they themselves intended!

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #24 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:41pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:42am:

on New Years Day in the US, 177 people died from guns. Just one day.

let's all celebrate, huh?

and in australia, not one person died from a gun.

An estimated 132 of those 177 were suicides

"As the fireworks burst to mark the new year, so did the guns. On New Year's Day there were 45 non-suicide gun violence deaths across America, according to data compiled by the Gun Violence Archive research group. Including suicides by gun, there were 177 deaths."

"The data is collected in realtime from 6,500 sources and updated as new information in incidents is established. It includes homicides, murders, and unintentional and defensive killings. There were an estimated 132 suicides by gun on New Year's Day and 103 injuries."

Gun control has very little effect on the rate of suicide, other means are used if a gun is not available. Australia's suicide rate has hardly changed since Port Arthur and Howard's gun "buy back"

so yuo think that 45 people killed in a day by others is okay?

your argument is specious because prior to Pt Arthur, australia still had very few guns. very few suicides were by gun beforehand and now, almost none.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44222 Gender:	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #26 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm About 7500 people die in the US every day. A 2015 study from the non-profit organization Berkeley Earth estimated that 1.6 million people in China die each year from heart, lung and stroke problems because of polluted air.
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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #27 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:03pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

About 7500 people die in the US every day.

A 2015 study from the non-profit organization Berkeley Earth estimated that 1.6 million people in China die each year from heart, lung and stroke problems because of polluted air.

Exactly. Why deal with guns and climate change?

People are going to die anyway, no?

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Reply #28 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:12pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

About 7500 people die in the US every day.

A 2015 study from the non-profit organization Berkeley Earth estimated that 1.6 million people in China die each year from heart, lung and stroke problems because of polluted air.

so you support the ending of healthcare and the legalisation of murder??

While obviously a ridiculous question... but I'm not sure. maybe you do.

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Reply #29 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:22pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:12pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 1:53pm:

About 7500 people die in the US every day.

A 2015 study from the non-profit organization Berkeley Earth estimated that 1.6 million people in China die each year from heart, lung and stroke problems because of polluted air.

so you support the ending of healthcare and the legalisation of murder??

While obviously a ridiculous question... but I'm not sure. maybe you do.

Your linking of these things and your assumptions (in the absence of any arguments) is what's ridiculous.

New Year always has a spike in suicides.

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