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Reply #180 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm

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Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

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Er, Vietnam?

They won, dear.

Yes....technically true.....though the USA won virtually every battle, & killed far, far more squints overall (950,000+ squinty eyed Viet Cong died....an estimate of over 100,000 Chinese Regulars were also killed, & an estimated 1.1 Million Vietnamese civilians were killed on both sides.........as opposed to a total of 58,300 Americans & 521 Aussies were killed on the battlefield), the Communists won the war because the USA decided that no amount of gooks were worth seeing any more Americans die......a peace treaty was signed, & the USA forces abandoned the battlefield.....

Winning battles doesn't always win you the war, mate.

The Chinese didn't send any troops to South Vietnam. Their sole contributions were to the North Vietnamese railways and to their AA defences. It also depends on when during the war - initially they had 10,000 railway troops in North Vietnam and then, later they had only a smaller number of advisors so I'd take your claim that "200,000 Chinese Regulars were also killed" with a massive handful of salt. The actual numbers with far, far, fewer.

As for how many South Vietnamese died, your figures are also well, rather rubbery. The best estimates suggest about 2 million South Vietnamese died during the Vietnam war. As we know, the US military's "body counts" were rather contested during the war, based as they were on biased reporting for the most part.

As for the numbers of Americans who died, well, what else do you expect from a military led by incompetents and not trained to fight a proper counter-insurgency campaign? The US military wasn't interested in the sideshow that Vietnam represented. They wanted the "war of the big battalions" as Napoleon once called it, on the central European plain against those Communist hordes, poised to invade West Germany.

The US also believed they were fighting the Kremlin rather than a bunch of peasants in a paddy field. The interesting thing is that after the collapse of the fUSSR, the Soviet ex-Ambassador to North Vietnam published his memoires. He described how he was kept waiting outside in the corridor while the North Vietnamese made decisions about the conduct of the war and was then summoned into the Politburo meeting to hear what they wanted the fUSSR to do. Now compare that with the Republic of Vietnam. There, the US created a complete shadow government which dictated to the Southerners how they were organise their entire economy, how to fight the war, how to treat their population, everything. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Australia knew how to fight a counter-insurgency war and did so. That is why our casualties were proportionally lower and why we dominated the province, Phuoc Tuy we were assigned to the point that when required, we left it to fight the big war that Westmoreland decreed. Roll Eyes

Good post, Brian. Beats your NRA lighbulb meme hands-down, dear.

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #181 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

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Reply #182 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44209 Gender:	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #183 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm: Good post, Brian. Beats your NRA lighbulb meme hands-down, dear. DON"T you twigger him!!!!
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Reply #184 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point - unlike you in your toilet blocks, Paki. I think, you suck.

Big diff summed up.

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #185 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:57pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point

Really? You sure could have fooled me. I think you fooled your examiners as well, right, Soren? I suspect you paid them a few hundred thousand lira and they just handed you a paper with the answers already marked on it, right? Roll Eyes

Why don't you go up to Canungra for the real university of hard knocks at the LWC? We'll arrange a nice baggy green skin and you can scream your heart out against Pakistanis who you appear to hate, so much. Get you fightin' bushfires. I'm sure I've got a wet sugar bag I could loan you... Grin

Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #186 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 9:06pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point

Really?

Really.

You can't do it.

That's the difference.

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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #187 - Jan 14^th, 2020 at 9:10pm

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2020 at 8:26pm:

But I'm curious. Why didn't the US just nuke them?

And why not the mullahs? Saddam? The Taliban? Osama? Syria? The People's Democratic Republic of North Korea? Venezuela?

Because they are not brain-fcuked Foucauldians like you. Any other big questions or puzzles you are grappling with, Paki?

Well, yes. How on earth did you pass your exams at the prestigious University of Balogney?

I had to think and make a lucid point - unlike you in your toilet blocks, Paki. I think, you suck.

Big diff summed up.

Good show. As soon as you can show yourself capable of doing that here, we'll add you to the prestigious thinking and lucid list.

With a bit of effort, you may even be removed from Brian's twiggered list.

Now that could take some time. He does like his mud memes so.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 136216 Gender:	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #189 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am The number is now 1,444 1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year. 1,444 in 14 days.
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 16789 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #190 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am: The number is now 1,444 1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year. 1,444 in 14 days. But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns. Wait...
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Re: 177 gun deaths
Reply #191 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:37am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

It just went up.

1,445 now.

Total mass shootings = 8

Number of children killed = 29 That's two a day.

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Reply #192 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:04am

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

Silly Roo......America will always have guns, & Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & use them for all lawful purposes including self-defense.

1,444 ........ it's January, the worst month for suicide. You know, where someone makes the individual choice to terminate their own life. Firearms are just one option available, & it has over a 90% success rate (± 10% for human error).

When a person makes an individual decision to terminate their own lives, better than 90% of them who choose to use a firearm get 100% satisfaction! What they might call Bliss. Beats neckin' themselves, drivin' into a tree at 130kph, jumpin' in front of a train or runnin' blindfolded across a busy freeway!

The only negative is they leave a mess that someone else has to clean up.....yukk.....but to the successful suicide, they are beyond caring.....they're in their 'better place', & after all, it's all about them....right?

Over 364 says (one year) on average, approximately 62% of all deaths by firearm are suicides.

So, if 35,000 people in America die from firearm related activity, this year.......approximately 62%, or ± 21,000 of them got exactly the result they wanted.....their own death, by their own hand, as they chose in advance......100% satisfaction.....bliss.

Now, all we have left are those 14,000 that didn't choose the outcome they got. Well, actually a lot of them did by the activity they chose, like crime. Those killed by firearm (by police, armed gang-banger, or a legally gun carrying citizen either defending themselves, their loved ones, or their property) sort of got what they deserved, but that's a whole other topic.....

All death is in it's own way tragic, but each & every year well over 2 1/2 million (2,500,000) Americans will die, by all causes.....

Each Year only about 1.4% of all deaths in America are caused by gunshot, & 60%+ of those chose to journey into the after-life by their own hand......by choice.

America will always have Guns.......Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.......it is their Constitutional Right, a Right that the government, by law, must affirm, protect, & defend.

400 Million Guns & growing.......As Americans, WE the PEOPLE love Freedom & Liberty!

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Reply #193 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:07am

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:04am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

Silly Roo......America will always have guns, & Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & use them for all lawful purposes including self-defense.

1,444 ........ it's January, the worst month for suicide. You know, where someone makes the individual choice to terminate their own life. Firearms are just one option available, & it has over a 90% success rate (± 10% for human error).

When a person makes an individual decision to terminate their own lives, better than 90% of them their right to choose & choose to use a firearm, they get 100% satisfaction! What they might call Bliss.

The only negative is they leave a mess that someone else has to clean up.....yukk.....but to the successful suicide, they are beyond caring.....they're in their 'better place', & after all, it's all about them....right?

Over 364 says (one year) on average, approximately 62% of all deaths by firearm are suicides.

So, if 35,000 people in America die from firearm related activity, this year.......approximately 62%, or ± 21,000 of them got exactly the result they wanted.....their own death, by their own hand, as they chose in advance......100% satisfaction.....bliss.

Now, all we have left are those 14,000 that didn't choose the outcome they got. Well, actually a lot of them did by the activity they chose, like crime. Those killed by firearm (by police, armed gang-banger, or a legally gun carrying citizen either defending themselves, their loved ones, or their property) sort of got what they deserved, but that's a whole other topic.....

All death is in it's own way tragic, but each & every year well over 2 1/2 million (2,500,000) Americans will die, by all causes.....

Each Year only about 1.4% of all deaths in America are caused by gunshot, & 60%+ of those chose to journey into the after-life by their own hand......by choice. Wink

America will always have Guns.......Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.......it is their Constitutional Right, a Right that the government, by law, must affirm, protect, & defend.

[b]400 Million Guns & growing.......As Americans, WE the PEOPLE love Freedom & Liberty!

29 children dead already.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

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Reply #194 - Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:22am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:07am:

Panther wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 10:04am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 9:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2020 at 8:09am:

The number is now 1,444

1,444 deaths by gun in the US so far this year.

1,444 in 14 days.

But think about how much worse it would be if there were no guns.

Wait...

Silly Roo......America will always have guns, & Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & use them for all lawful purposes including self-defense.

1,444 ........ it's January, the worst month for suicide. You know, where someone makes the individual choice to terminate their own life. Firearms are just one option available, & it has over a 90% success rate (± 10% for human error).

When a person makes an individual decision to terminate their own lives, better than 90% of them their right to choose & choose to use a firearm, they get 100% satisfaction! What they might call Bliss.

The only negative is they leave a mess that someone else has to clean up.....yukk.....but to the successful suicide, they are beyond caring.....they're in their 'better place', & after all, it's all about them....right?

Over 364 says (one year) on average, approximately 62% of all deaths by firearm are suicides.

So, if 35,000 people in America die from firearm related activity, this year.......approximately 62%, or ± 21,000 of them got exactly the result they wanted.....their own death, by their own hand, as they chose in advance......100% satisfaction.....bliss.

Now, all we have left are those 14,000 that didn't choose the outcome they got. Well, actually a lot of them did by the activity they chose, like crime. Those killed by firearm (by police, armed gang-banger, or a legally gun carrying citizen either defending themselves, their loved ones, or their property) sort of got what they deserved, but that's a whole other topic.....

All death is in it's own way tragic, but each & every year well over 2 1/2 million (2,500,000) Americans will die, by all causes.....

Each Year only about 1.4% of all deaths in America are caused by gunshot, & 60%+ of those chose to journey into the after-life by their own hand......by choice. Wink

America will always have Guns.......Americans will always have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms.......it is their Constitutional Right, a Right that the government, by law, must affirm, protect, & defend.

400 Million Guns & growing.......As Americans, WE the PEOPLE love Freedom & Liberty!

29 children dead already.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

That's sad....very, very, sad........but sad as that is, age has no bearing on the outcome, now or tomorrow, that will never cause Americans to give up firearms.....to give up their means of self-defense that they use somewhere around 2,000,000 times (maybe more) a year.......use to defend themselves, their loved ones (including children), or their property.

Nope.....never gunna happen Pecca, no mater what you say, or how hard you try to convince them/us.......ain't never gunna happen!

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When government fears the People there is Freedom & Liberty!"

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