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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58055 Here Gender:	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #60 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:37pm Fact Check: "If there is a firearm available, it is 17 times more likely to be used either for suicide or for assaulting a friend, relative, an acquaintance than it is to be used in fending off an intruder." Result: Half True Yes it is much more likely but 17 times is not proven and may be a bit high.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40765	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #61 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:43pm Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:16pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:46pm: https://www.liveabout.com/thmb/ccE8YjRXm_6OnzCxOZ6cIX5842M=/768x0/filters:no_ups... How many gweggies does it take to find Bwian's bwains? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. How many Sorens does it take to dig him out of the mud patch he lives in?
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Reply #62 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:08pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:03pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:53pm:

Fact Check:

"In 2011, for example, the United Kingdom had 146 deaths due to gun violence; Denmark, 71; Portugal, 142; and Japan, 30. But last year, in the United States, almost 40,000."

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Mostly True

. Not allowing for population and some numbers accurate but a bit dated.

Mostly black on black gangsters. Most of those guns would have been black (ahem*!) market.

Blacks are violent.

Stay safe.

How is skin colour relevant?

Are you a racist, Frank?

Do you hit women, Frank?

Skin colour shows up in the facts.

Are facts no longer relevant, dickheaddlee?

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Reply #63 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:33pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

The Average is almost 100 gun related deaths a day. Suicides irrelevant, often the suicide tag is the easy / convenient way out. Little difference between suicide and made to look like suicide.

Suicides will happen with or without guns. Our suicide rate has changed little since Howard's gun buy-back

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Urban–rural differences
Overall suicide rates for males and females in Australia differ little between rural and urban areas. However, rates for young men are distinctly higher than women in rural settings. There are a number of different factors that contribute to this. The easy accessibility to firearms, lower socio-economic lifestyle and increased level of social isolation, all add to the higher rate of male suicide in rural Australia.[21][22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Australia

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Reply #64 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:45pm

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"So far this year, more students have been killed in schools than soldiers in combat zones."

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Mostly True.

While twice as many died in schools in this parameter so it is true as stated however there are years where it may not be true and a war zone is more dangerous in general.

WTF - seriously comparing schools to war zones and needing the referee to determine that a war zone is mostly more dangerous ?

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6968 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #65 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:18am 177 deaths, 132 are suicides. 43 supposed celebratory accidents among one third of a billion people. Sounds like a local problem, not an opportunity for gun grabbers! How many people currently live in Australia?
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Reply #66 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:45am

So?

Over a 100,000 die per year from prescription drugs, 40,000 die on the roads - who knows how many die from illegal drugs.

So why don't these figures get headlines? Its not political - guns are.

Australians have no rights, little real freedom and conditioned from birth. So bed wetters can keep your safe spaces and Americans will keep their guns and the responsibility that goes with living in a free country.

The constitution is the highest law of the land. Abolishing the 2nd amendment would destroy the whole constitution and that aint gonna happen!

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Reply #67 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:51am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 9:37pm:

Fact Check:

"If there is a firearm available, it is 17 times more likely to be used either for suicide or for assaulting a friend, relative, an acquaintance than it is to be used in fending off an intruder."

Result:

Half True

Yes it is much more likely but 17 times is not proven and may be a bit high.

Generally when people who know each other are involved in a shooting it isn't because they love each other and their tempers made them do something they later regretted. It involves criminal or abusive behavior, the best way to avoid being involved is to not associate with those kinds of people. As you may have misinterpreted, it isn't happy, well adjusted people who kill because a firearm is handy. It is criminals killing the innocent or other criminals in the inner cities.

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Reply #68 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am

A gunman in a Texas Church opens fire and kills 2 attendees. Immediately 2 parishioners returned fire killing the gunman.

How many lives were saved by these 2? This is a story that flies in the face of the MSM narrative.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-the-texas-church-shooting-unfolded

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Reply #69 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:52am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 8:23pm:

The Average is almost 100 gun related deaths a day. Suicides irrelevant, often the suicide tag is the easy / convenient way out. Little difference between suicide and made to look like suicide.

Suicides will happen with or without guns. Our suicide rate has changed little since Howard's gun buy-back

actually, not true by any measure. Guns GREATLY increase the suicide rate because that are invariably effective. The majority of people who attempt suicide do so for reasons OTHER than trying to kill themselves. The failure rate of suicide attempts is over 90%. Having been involved in the mental health profession in the past, it is well known that people who seriously want to kill themselves, will. Even when under protective care. But using a gun as an attempt is 99% effective and so the person who is making an ATTEMPT for reasons other than wanting to kill themselves... does.

Guns make suicide easy. we NEVER want to make suicide easy because most people who attempt it dont actually want to die, not really.

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Reply #70 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:53am

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

A gunman in a Texas Church opens fire and kills 2 attendees. Immediately 2 parishioners returned fire killing the gunman.

How many lives were saved by these 2? This is a story that flies in the face of the MSM narrative.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-the-texas-church-shooting-unfolded

missing the point....

everywhere else in the world, there is no gunman coming into a church in the first place. And are our churches less likely to have crazy people come in? I've seen them here, BUT.... they dont have guns. so they are easy to deal with.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #71 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:59am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:53am:

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

A gunman in a Texas Church opens fire and kills 2 attendees. Immediately 2 parishioners returned fire killing the gunman.

How many lives were saved by these 2? This is a story that flies in the face of the MSM narrative.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-the-texas-church-shooting-unfolded

missing the point....

everywhere else in the world, there is no gunman coming into a church in the first place. And are our churches less likely to have crazy people come in? I've seen them here, BUT.... they dont have guns. so they are easy to deal with.

great Blogging Marla !

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Reply #72 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:09am

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:53am:

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

A gunman in a Texas Church opens fire and kills 2 attendees. Immediately 2 parishioners returned fire killing the gunman.

How many lives were saved by these 2? This is a story that flies in the face of the MSM narrative.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-the-texas-church-shooting-unfolded

missing the point....

everywhere else in the world, there is no gunman coming into a church in the first place. And are our churches less likely to have crazy people come in? I've seen them here, BUT.... they dont have guns. so they are easy to deal with.

great Blogging Marla !

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After what's happened recently you still want to go accusing others of being socks?

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Reply #73 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:32am

we do not respond to sock puppets and freemasonic operatives .

I for one do not have socks or other accounts here like SOME .

the fact is an armed guard took out the potential mass shooter .

case closed 2nd Amendment wins again .

Richdude wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:01am:

A gunman in a Texas Church opens fire and kills 2 attendees. Immediately 2 parishioners returned fire killing the gunman.

How many lives were saved by these 2? This is a story that flies in the face of the MSM narrative.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-the-texas-church-shooting-unfolded

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74mb3/6-seconds-of-terror-video-shows-how-th...

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“We lost two great men today," Britt Farmer, the church's senior minister said, according to USA Today. "But it could have been a lot worse.”

bullies and thugs like to kill unarmed civilians , yet fortunately

there was a patriot defending humans in this instance .

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136237 Gender:	Re: 177 gun deaths Reply #74 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:43am 10 children killed by guns in the US so far this year. 5 mass shootings so far. Total number of gun deaths = 395
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