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Reply #45 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:44pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:40pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:26pm:

Vic wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:00pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:48pm:

Gordon wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:05pm:

3000 reservists called up, the first time in such numbers to fight fires.

Also of interest, Linda Reynolds says over 2000 reservists and regulars have been in the field for about two months.

Up to 3000 Army reservists will be called out and the HMAS Adelaide will also be deployed to assist in Australia’s bushfire crisis – which has seen more than 1500 homes destroyed and at least 23 confirmed deaths – as Scott Morrison ramps up the goverment’s response.

The government will also lease an extra four water bombers at a cost of $20m to help the seven large planes already available for firefighting efforts. Two water bombers are due to arrive in a week and two will arrive in a fortnight but it is not clear which countries they are coming from.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bushfire-emergency-nsw-victoria-brace-fo...

It said on the news that 3,000 reservists have been called up
and it's compulsory.
Surely they are not going to send in untrained men towards deadly fires - against their will?

This could cause huge losses - deaths.

They'll be handling out water bottles and meat pies.

The Army doesn't have firetrucks or do they?
Do they have PPE - safety gear?
Are they trained to fight fires?

Most of the Garrison Support functions like cooking, cleaning and support functions like fire fighting on bases were contracted out to SERCO or TransField years ago. Navy used to have it's own firefighter branch and all the equipment that went with it. Now, they call the local firebrigade if there is a serious fire on a base that the duty watch can't handle. I have been at Army and RAAF bases over the years where it is the same. They have a small self defence against fire, but everything else is contracted out. RAN do haver firefighter theory and practical training for firefighting that has to requalified for evry few years but it is really only for shipboard use and in the main not a transferable skill for fires the size we are seeing at the moment

Thanks Vic,
does that mean that I'm right and that Redmond- above -
owes me an apology for all that abuse?

It was a long time ago but my platoon was sent to fight a fire close to Holsworthy camp and all we were given was shovels, no water or anything. Lucky for us, the fire had just about burnt out by the time we got there

Thanks Bias,
therefore Redmond owes me an apology.

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #46 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:55pm

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/technology/us-canadian-firefighters-will-help-...

North American firefighters have been arriving in Australia since early December to assist in the country’s bushfire crisis with more to be deployed on Monday.

For the first time since 2010, the US is sending firefighters while Canada is sending fire experts to Australia for the first time.

According to the National Interagency Fire Centre, the US government agency that coordinates international deployment of firefighters, roughly 100 American firefighters have been sent to Australia over the last four weeks, with 50 to 60 more planned to be dispatched on Monday.

Stephen Tulle, duty officer with the Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Centre, said there are currently 84 Canadian fire experts stationed in Queensland and NSW on a six-week deployment.

Canadians are keen to repay Australian assistance received during the 2017 and 2018 fires in the province of British Columbia.

The Canadian contingent says the Australian bushfire crisis is unlike anything they have experienced before.

About 13 million acres of have been burned and at least 17 people have died.

Glen Burgress, who is co-ordinating Canadian efforts out of Sydney, says these fires are particularly severe.

“I’ve seen a lot of pretty dramatic fire behaviour but nothing like what we’re seeing here,” he told the Calgary Herald. “The temperatures are so different and the fire behaviours are so different. It’s not what we’re used to dealing with, for sure. The basics of firefighting don’t really change, but the volatility and the rates of spread are really something we’re not overly used to.”

perhaps some would like to take this on board....when they are blaming everyone and everything... Angry

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #47 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:57pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:

Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!!

Huh

That's correct, the authorities and parliaments should have been co-operating and doing much more decades ago, but for some reason they've let brainfade take over, even after the worst of our past fires. They'd rather dig rabbit warrens under Sydney and lay extra rail lines in Melbourne. Doing nothing for the bush, how useless is the National party, utterly useless

There will be a fight over water resources once this is over, between mining, agriculture and those who want drinking water....Someone will be blaming the Government when their allocation does not exist....The Government needs to start thinking about water 20 years ago???

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #48 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:09pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:

Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!!

Huh

That's correct, the authorities and parliaments should have been co-operating and doing much more decades ago, but for some reason they've let brainfade take over, even after the worst of our past fires. They'd rather dig rabbit warrens under Sydney and lay extra rail lines in Melbourne. Doing nothing for the bush, how useless is the National party, utterly useless

There will be a fight over water resources once this is over, between mining, agriculture and those who want drinking water....Someone will be blaming the Government when their allocation does not exist....The Government needs to start thinking about water 20 years ago???

Sad

There's fighting over water resources now. If we don't get wide coverage of rain soon, we'll be stuffed

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #49 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:12pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:57pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:45pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:

Another problem that will emerge after these fires is the amount of water that has been used to fight the fires and the amount of water that will be contaminated from ash and dead animals....This disaster is just beginning to unfold and the consequences yet to really understood....I fear we have left this action far too late to make a difference!!!

Huh

That's correct, the authorities and parliaments should have been co-operating and doing much more decades ago, but for some reason they've let brainfade take over, even after the worst of our past fires. They'd rather dig rabbit warrens under Sydney and lay extra rail lines in Melbourne. Doing nothing for the bush, how useless is the National party, utterly useless

There will be a fight over water resources once this is over, between mining, agriculture and those who want drinking water....Someone will be blaming the Government when their allocation does not exist....The Government needs to start thinking about water 20 years ago???

Sad

There's fighting over water resources now. If we don't get wide coverage of rain soon, we'll be stuffed

Hope you stay safe mate....I can only imagine this will get worse before it gets better???

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #50 - Jan 4^th, 2020 at 6:53pm

-------<-----<----<----- breaking news from juliar.... Scooty stands tall on fire disaster sweeping the nation ..... what a tall drink of water he is....... meanwhile Cobargo residents continue to curse him for trying for a photo op in the midst of their pain.. same with Gladys who's never seen a bushfire in her life -----<-----<-----<-----<<<<

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #51 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:46am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:

The same people complaining about Scummo receiving criticism for his inept handling of the bush fires are the same ass holes who have no problem blaming the Greens....Pathetic???

Roll Eyes

Why wouldn't you pass a portion of the blame onto them?

They're the ones who openly called for & demonstrated to close up forested areas, make them National Parks & removing all human activities like sustainable logging & grazing and fuel reduction burning.

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #52 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:48am

I would imagine our defence force helicopter pilots have a lot more training to fly under these conditions....lets be grateful for a change that we have these amazing people who risk everything for the rest of us....

we can all accept some of the blame... look at the trash that gets left in our bush by human bush walkers and or drivers and campers.......even dumped deliberately

we can all accept some of the blame.....

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #54 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:16pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 4:46pm:

he ignored the warning and did nothing to help prevent it, in fact hr made things worse by cutting funding by 35% for NSW alone.

NSW cut the NSW fire budget. Not the feds.

"Mr Morrison said federal governments had "traditionally always acted on the posture of the respond to request" from the states, but the devastating fire season across the country, which has months to run over summer, had spurred a direct intervention from the Commonwealth."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/pm-calls-up-reservists-for-firefighting-...

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #55 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:44pm

These fires started last September....Morrison has been in denial there was a problem claiming everything was under control until it was obvious the fires had become fatal and were far from under control....Now Scotty from marketing has been dragged into action too late and too little....By finally committing extra resources Scotty from marketing has admitted these resources should have been utilised months ago before this crisis became unmanageable....Now the dickhead want's us to believe his Government has taken timely action and is promoting his late response as a sign of his great leadership....Too little, too late and too smug by half....F@#k you Scott Morrison!!!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18040 Gender:	Re: Army called in to fight fires Reply #56 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:54pm philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:44pm: Morrison has been in denial there was a problem claiming everything was under control until it was obvious the fires had become fatal and were far from under control. What part of the states asking for Federal help didn't you understand?
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Army called in to fight fires Reply #57 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:01pm Many Americans (you know the type) are saying these fires are perfectly normal and all claims to the contrary are a hoax, fake news. So the army should just go home.
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Reply #58 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:04pm

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:54pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 1:44pm:

Morrison has been in denial there was a problem claiming everything was under control until it was obvious the fires had become fatal and were far from under control.

What part of the states asking for Federal help didn't you understand? Roll Eyes

iy id odd dome folks dont like to see BLAME appropriated until they need someone to BLAME>..

the ADF have been there since Sept...we are we never were prepared for something of this size....

how is that the PMs fault?.....is he meant to snatch fire trained crews out of the air????....why is Victoria so unprepared didnt they have a huge fire that killed 173 people not that long ago..... didnt they call it black Saturday and that Vic would never be caught out again?????????.... yet here they are....the fires havent been going since sept yet already they have caught up and its getting worse....

wheres Dan has he got his hard hat on and his bucket ready???????.... or is it only the PMs job to get this sorted.????>.. Angry

fire like water is almost unstoppable I admit we need to do a whole better... we need to be prepared with everyone on board.....it isnt a one man job.

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Re: Army called in to fight fires
Reply #59 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:06pm

AiA wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:01pm:

Many Americans (you know the type) are saying these fires are perfectly normal and all claims to the contrary are a hoax, fake news. So the army should just go home.

god only knows what all that means but look in your own back yard sunshine your COUNTRY is a mess of giant proportions

and No it isnt one mans fault..

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