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Eden
Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:01am

So the people of Eden were told to evacuate to Bega via dangerous fire-prone areas of Highway for grid-locked circumstances and crowded 'shanty' congregations. Even Bega was a place that could succumb to Fire.

As Eden has a Port and with large sea-going vessels (like 3 very large Tug-Boats.

I find it hard to think this would be the best option.
Why didn't a Cruise Liner reap an opportunity for some Promo by turning up and letting weary residents enjoy a cocktail like ScoMo?

The safest place was by and on the water.
Why herd people along land where, if you watch every movie of disasters - the worse place is stuck in grid-lock (because another panic stricken driver has caused an accident again) where the danger eventually gets them.

It's obvious that the Aust Fire Service was not able to cope with such a Disaster as this. I don't blame them directly, they only had what was given to them thanks to fund-raising and ScoMo is breathing a sigh of relief that he doesn't have to pay for all this - donations will.

Our Burke & Wills mentality and attitude towards Aboriginal Fire Lore is something also that needs to change.

Thanks to Aboriginal influence at the time in the 1800's where +50C days were plenty and of long spells - the land didn't

WILDFIRE

, like what we let it become today.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Eden Reply #1 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:06am we are not coping well are we???....PANIC I am holding the media responsible here it is in our faces 24/7 and all the worst or the worst...it will of course bring in advertising.. .. sadly we get addicted to WATCHING this unfold...
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49757 Gender:	Re: Eden Reply #2 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:20am I know a people who knew how to contain the Fire Gods. Before they were told to put their ways away because they are too primitive.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Eden Reply #3 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:25am I have never seen aboriginals working to clear our Bush....have you?....they do claim to have the answers... so what are they waiting for???
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Re: Eden
Reply #4 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:33am

Jasin wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:01am:

So the people of Eden were told to evacuate to Bega via dangerous fire-prone areas of Highway for grid-locked circumstances and crowded 'shanty' congregations. Even Bega was a place that could succumb to Fire.

As Eden has a Port and with large sea-going vessels (like 3 very large Tug-Boats.

I find it hard to think this would be the best option.
Why didn't a Cruise Liner reap an opportunity for some Promo by turning up and letting weary residents enjoy a cocktail like ScoMo?

The safest place was by and on the water.
Why herd people along land where, if you watch every movie of disasters - the worse place is stuck in grid-lock (because another panic stricken driver has caused an accident again) where the danger eventually gets them.

It's obvious that the Aust Fire Service was not able to cope with such a Disaster as this. I don't blame them directly, they only had what was given to them thanks to fund-raising and ScoMo is breathing a sigh of relief that he doesn't have to pay for all this - donations will.

Our Burke & Wills mentality and attitude towards Aboriginal Fire Lore is something also that needs to change.

Thanks to Aboriginal influence at the time in the 1800's where +50C days were plenty and of long spells - the land didn't

WILDFIRE

, like what we let it become today.

Bullshit .....

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Widespread bushfires occurred in Victoria in early February 1851. The height of the destruction happened on Black Thursday, 6 February 1851.

'Fires covered a quarter of what is now Victoria (approximately 5 million hectares). Areas affected include Portland, Plenty Ranges, Westernport, the Wimmera and Dandenong districts. Approximately 12 lives, one million sheep and thousands of cattle were lost'

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In early 1898 fires burnt out 260,000 hectares in South Gippsland. Twelve people died and more than 2,000 buildings were destroyed (source). 1 February 1898 was labelled Red Tuesday.

https://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/bushfires/1851

You need a refresher -

https://canyonleigh.rfsa.org.au/australian-bush-fire-history

And btw ..... no one was around to record any incidents of major bush fires prior to colonisation.

And I can assure you that an Aboriginal population of approx. 500,000 spread over the entire continent didn't manage it all ... with fire/ burning to prevent wildfire.

Complete fantasy.

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Eden Reply #5 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:39am Jasin wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:20am: I know a people who knew how to contain the Fire Gods. Before they were told to put their ways away because they are too primitive. Looks like they're still 'too primitive'.....
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Re: Eden
Reply #6 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:40am

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:06am:

we are not coping well are we???....PANIC I am holding the media responsible here it is in our faces 24/7 and all the worst or the worst...it will of course bring in advertising.. Roll Eyes

.. sadly we get addicted to WATCHING this unfold...

If we stop watching their crap, they'll stop making it.

It's our, as you say, "addiction" to watching news 24/7 that motivates them to keep churning out their sensationalised bullshit.

Turn it off.

I haven't watched a full "news" broadcast in years.

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Re: Eden
Reply #7 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:44am

Gnads wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:33am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:01am:

So the people of Eden were told to evacuate to Bega via dangerous fire-prone areas of Highway for grid-locked circumstances and crowded 'shanty' congregations. Even Bega was a place that could succumb to Fire.

As Eden has a Port and with large sea-going vessels (like 3 very large Tug-Boats.

I find it hard to think this would be the best option.
Why didn't a Cruise Liner reap an opportunity for some Promo by turning up and letting weary residents enjoy a cocktail like ScoMo?

The safest place was by and on the water.
Why herd people along land where, if you watch every movie of disasters - the worse place is stuck in grid-lock (because another panic stricken driver has caused an accident again) where the danger eventually gets them.

It's obvious that the Aust Fire Service was not able to cope with such a Disaster as this. I don't blame them directly, they only had what was given to them thanks to fund-raising and ScoMo is breathing a sigh of relief that he doesn't have to pay for all this - donations will.

Our Burke & Wills mentality and attitude towards Aboriginal Fire Lore is something also that needs to change.

Thanks to Aboriginal influence at the time in the 1800's where +50C days were plenty and of long spells - the land didn't

WILDFIRE

, like what we let it become today.

Bullshit .....

Quote:

Widespread bushfires occurred in Victoria in early February 1851. The height of the destruction happened on Black Thursday, 6 February 1851.

'Fires covered a quarter of what is now Victoria (approximately 5 million hectares). Areas affected include Portland, Plenty Ranges, Westernport, the Wimmera and Dandenong districts. Approximately 12 lives, one million sheep and thousands of cattle were lost'

Quote:

In early 1898 fires burnt out 260,000 hectares in South Gippsland. Twelve people died and more than 2,000 buildings were destroyed (source). 1 February 1898 was labelled Red Tuesday.

https://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/bushfires/1851

You need a refresher -

https://canyonleigh.rfsa.org.au/australian-bush-fire-history

And btw ..... no one was around to record any incidents of major bush fires prior to colonisation.

And I can assure you that an Aboriginal population of approx. 500,000 spread over the entire continent didn't manage it all ... with fire/ burning to prevent wildfire.

Complete fantasy.

Possibly true gnads but we have done a lot of foolish things
I forget the estimate on the number of hundreds of millions of tons of lantana currently growing on the East coast of Australia
And I can tell you that in a drought lantana change into perfectly combustible undergrowth

And then we do a lot of grazing in amongst the forest
That encourages the growth of a lot of tall rank grass
Which the stock won't eat

Whenever I drive down the coast
I am acutely aware that virtually everything growing is introduced
Noxious dries to a crisp during a drought and incredibly inflammable

So I do think things are a lot worse now
If I just abandon my property
Within 10 years it would be completely overgrown with 6 ft high super combustible rubbish plants
That seems to be what happens in a lot of our national parks nowdays and it is certainly not an improvement

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Re: Eden
Reply #8 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:07am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:44am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:33am:

Jasin wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:01am:

So the people of Eden were told to evacuate to Bega via dangerous fire-prone areas of Highway for grid-locked circumstances and crowded 'shanty' congregations. Even Bega was a place that could succumb to Fire.

As Eden has a Port and with large sea-going vessels (like 3 very large Tug-Boats.

I find it hard to think this would be the best option.
Why didn't a Cruise Liner reap an opportunity for some Promo by turning up and letting weary residents enjoy a cocktail like ScoMo?

The safest place was by and on the water.
Why herd people along land where, if you watch every movie of disasters - the worse place is stuck in grid-lock (because another panic stricken driver has caused an accident again) where the danger eventually gets them.

It's obvious that the Aust Fire Service was not able to cope with such a Disaster as this. I don't blame them directly, they only had what was given to them thanks to fund-raising and ScoMo is breathing a sigh of relief that he doesn't have to pay for all this - donations will.

Our Burke & Wills mentality and attitude towards Aboriginal Fire Lore is something also that needs to change.

Thanks to Aboriginal influence at the time in the 1800's where +50C days were plenty and of long spells - the land didn't

WILDFIRE

, like what we let it become today.

Bullshit .....

Quote:

Widespread bushfires occurred in Victoria in early February 1851. The height of the destruction happened on Black Thursday, 6 February 1851.

'Fires covered a quarter of what is now Victoria (approximately 5 million hectares). Areas affected include Portland, Plenty Ranges, Westernport, the Wimmera and Dandenong districts. Approximately 12 lives, one million sheep and thousands of cattle were lost'

Quote:

In early 1898 fires burnt out 260,000 hectares in South Gippsland. Twelve people died and more than 2,000 buildings were destroyed (source). 1 February 1898 was labelled Red Tuesday.

https://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/bushfires/1851

You need a refresher -

https://canyonleigh.rfsa.org.au/australian-bush-fire-history

And btw ..... no one was around to record any incidents of major bush fires prior to colonisation.

And I can assure you that an Aboriginal population of approx. 500,000 spread over the entire continent didn't manage it all ... with fire/ burning to prevent wildfire.

Complete fantasy.

Possibly true gnads but we have done a lot of foolish things
I forget the estimate on the number of hundreds of millions of tons of lantana currently growing on the East coast of Australia
And I can tell you that in a drought lantana change into perfectly combustible undergrowth

And then we do a lot of grazing in amongst the forest
That encourages the growth of a lot of tall rank grass
Which the stock won't eat

Whenever I drive down the coast
I am acutely aware that virtually everything growing is introduced
Noxious dries to a crisp during a drought and incredibly inflammable

So I do think things are a lot worse now
If I just abandon my property
Within 10 years it would be completely overgrown with 6 ft high super combustible rubbish plants
That seems to be what happens in a lot of our national parks nowdays and it is certainly not an improvement

No one especially me is denying we have done foolish things .... especially in regards to introduced pest weeds like lantana. I'm well aware of it's build up & combustibility.

Don't forget Prickly Pear & other cactus like Tiger Pear that have also spread, China Apple, Prickly Acacia, Camphor Laurel, Groundsel, Parthenium, Giants Rat tail Grass, Johnson Grass etc etc, ,,,,, the introduced pest plant species are too many to mention.

But surely you don't think grazing national parks or state forests was detrimental & didn't help in reducing fuel loads just because stock don't eat certain grasses when they're taller & go rank?

Your own pasture grasses will also get rank once a certain size & age .... and either needs to be grazed well down or slashed for new sweet regrowth.

When you lock up forests & national parks & don't run a sustainable management/burning program
it gets overgrown under the canopy & creates a huge combustible fuel load ... does it not?

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Re: Eden
Reply #9 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:28am

I entirely agree

The problem is that we started grazing
Which was fine as long as we continued
But then we stop grazing

All that rubbish that you mention moved in

Joker's from the city looking for a tree change moved in
They thought it was lovely to have trees growing right up to their bedroom window

The level of insanity beggars belief

I can tell you that every one of my neighbours
Has a paddock of low grass at least 100m around every house and every shed
The idea that you can have forest growing next to structure
Is insane

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Reply #10 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:36am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:28am:

I entirely agree

The problem is that we started grazing
Which was fine as long as we continued
But then we stop grazing

All that rubbish that you mention moved in

Joker's from the city looking for a tree change moved in
They thought it was lovely to have trees growing right up to their bedroom window

The level of insanity beggars belief

I can tell you that every one of my neighbours
Has a paddock of low grass at least 100m around every house and every shed
The idea that you can have forest growing next to structure
Is insane

Made a similar point to mates at the pub Sat arvo.

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Re: Eden
Reply #11 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:06am:

we are not coping well are we???....PANIC I am holding the media responsible here it is in our faces 24/7 and all the worst or the worst...it will of course bring in advertising.. Roll Eyes

.. sadly we get addicted to WATCHING this unfold...

If we stop watching their crap, they'll stop making it.

It's our, as you say, "addiction" to watching news 24/7 that motivates them to keep churning out their sensationalised bullshit.

Turn it off.

I haven't watched a full "news" broadcast in years.

thats probably why you get hooked on one or two things......time to get out more and watch many stations... SBS isnt a bad news forum.. seeing as how you are hooked on anything foreign..

if you dont like tennis or cricket at the weekend

almost nothing else to watch rather helplessly than Australia burning Cry

... its awful

as has been pointed out no one asks why did you build in the BUSH...didnt you anticipate this happening??? Angry

..

no we cant have our cake and eat it.... Roll Eyes

surprise surprise

you choose to live in the bush surrounded by gum trees dont blame the PM>.. Angry

I think the ABC has done a good job its up to the minute with good info all round....the others its all desperate and tragic my family in London think we are in the thick of it.....and we have been spared the fire this time round..

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35238 Gender:	Re: Eden Reply #12 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:49am I even look around the outer suburbs of Brisbane Every ridge line is dotted with houses And particularly if the land to either side is steep They don't build on that land they just let it build up with undergrowth and saplings Absolutely crazy stuff
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Re: Eden
Reply #13 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 11:06am

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:06am:

we are not coping well are we???....PANIC I am holding the media responsible here it is in our faces 24/7 and all the worst or the worst...it will of course bring in advertising.. Roll Eyes

.. sadly we get addicted to WATCHING this unfold...

If we stop watching their crap, they'll stop making it.

It's our, as you say, "addiction" to watching news 24/7 that motivates them to keep churning out their sensationalised bullshit.

Turn it off.

I haven't watched a full "news" broadcast in years.

thats probably why you get hooked on one or two things......time to get out more and watch many stations... SBS isnt a bad news forum.. seeing as how you are hooked on anything foreign..

if you dont like tennis or cricket at the weekend

almost nothing else to watch rather helplessly than Australia burning Cry

... its awful

as has been pointed out no one asks why did you build in the BUSH...didnt you anticipate this happening??? Angry

..

no we cant have our cake and eat it.... Roll Eyes

surprise surprise

you choose to live in the bush surrounded by gum trees dont blame the PM>.. Angry

I think the ABC has done a good job its up to the minute with good info all round....the others its all desperate and tragic my family in London think we are in the thick of it.....and we have been spared the fire this time round..

SBS and the ABC are the sensible choices.

I don't consider what they have on channels 7, 9, and 10 as news.

It's just cars driving through houses, sharks swimming in the ocean, and footballers behaving badly.

To be avoided at all costs are things like Sunrise, ACA, and 60 Minutes.

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Re: Eden
Reply #14 - Jan 6^th, 2020 at 11:47am

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 10:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:40am:

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 9:06am:

we are not coping well are we???....PANIC I am holding the media responsible here it is in our faces 24/7 and all the worst or the worst...it will of course bring in advertising.. Roll Eyes

.. sadly we get addicted to WATCHING this unfold...

If we stop watching their crap, they'll stop making it.

It's our, as you say, "addiction" to watching news 24/7 that motivates them to keep churning out their sensationalised bullshit.

Turn it off.

I haven't watched a full "news" broadcast in years.

thats probably why you get hooked on one or two things......time to get out more and watch many stations... SBS isnt a bad news forum.. seeing as how you are hooked on anything foreign..

if you dont like tennis or cricket at the weekend

almost nothing else to watch rather helplessly than Australia burning Cry

... its awful

as has been pointed out no one asks why did you build in the BUSH...didnt you anticipate this happening??? Angry

..

no we cant have our cake and eat it.... Roll Eyes

surprise surprise

you choose to live in the bush surrounded by gum trees dont blame the PM>.. Angry

I think the ABC has done a good job its up to the minute with good info all round....the others its all desperate and tragic my family in London think we are in the thick of it.....and we have been spared the fire this time round..

Dont speak too soon - ACT has its own fire now. Some national park - hospital hill?

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