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⮞Impeachment has made Pres. Trump MORE Popular ⮜
Jan 11th, 2020 at 12:44pm
 
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So far, all Impeachment has done is make Donald Trump MORE POPULAR!



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Impeachment was never going to deliver the president’s scalp. “We all know how this is going to end,” Mitch McConnell, the Republican senate majority leader, told Fox News on 12 December, shortly before the House of Representatives voted 230-197 to impeach Donald Trump. “There’s no chance the president is going to be removed from office.”

This common knowledge – that a Republican-controlled Senate would never vote to eject Trump – has gone missing among some US Democrats. In March last year, Nancy Pelosi, the veteran Democratic leader of the House, advised her fellow Democrats against impeachment: “I don’t think we should go down that path.” After three years of declaring Trump an existential threat to the nation, Pelosi knew that the Democrats would only help the president if they took action that was not only guaranteed to fail to remove him, but which would allow Trump to reprise his favourite role: Phoenix Rising from the Headlines.

But Pelosi was in a bind. Like Theresa May, she has become the manager of a process she never wanted to happen. Faced with a revolt among Democratic lawmakers who need strong anti-Trump credentials to win their congressional primaries, she eventually yielded to their determination to remove Trump via legal means. Trump’s 25 July phone call to the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, seemed to provide all the ingredients that the soup of the Mueller report lacked: a Mafioso-style quid-pro-quo; a tampering with the US electoral process during, as opposed to before, Trump’s presidency; and, on top of it all, the irresistible charge of cold war vintage that Trump – with his consideration of delaying the delivery of Javelin anti-tank missiles to Kiev – was endangering national security by not sufficiently escalating tensions with Russia.

There is little question that Trump committed an impeachable offence by encouraging the Ukrainians to publicise an investigation into Joe Biden’s dealings in Ukraine. But impeachable relative to what? Many presidents have committed impeachable offences in office – whether Franklin Roosevelt’s IRS auditing of political opponents, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush’s Iran-Contra scandal, or George W Bush’s lying to ignite the Iraq war (a 2008 CNN interview has been making the rounds, in which the civilian Trump expresses disappointment that Pelosi did not try harder to impeach Bush for the Iraq war).

These comparisons make Democratic claims that to not impeach Trump would effectively mean shredding the constitution seem more than a little over-heated. However much constitutional obligation may appear to necessitate impeachment, in the end it is always a political choice.

The irony is that Trump is now impatient for his own Senate trial to start, which he reasonably expects will bring the public more to his side. During the House’s impeachment proceedings, Trump’s approval ratings rose six points. McConnell has not so much as bothered with the usual lip service about conducting an impartial trial. On 12 December, he told Fox News, “We’ll be working through this process, hopefully in a fairly short period of time, in total coordination with the White House counsel’s office.” On 3 January, he made the case on the Senate floor that the authors of the US constitution had always intended impeachment to be a deeply political affair, which is why they designated the Senate to try presidents instead of the judiciary. Pelosi, sensing the depth of the opposition, has delayed sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate, which has raised the legal question of whether Trump has in fact been impeached at all.

‘Mitch McConnell, the Republican senate majority leader, has not so much as bothered with the usual lip service about conducting an impartial trial.’ Photograph: UPI/Barcroft Media

Either way, the circling tactic appears doomed to fail. Even if they are armed with court orders to make crucial witnesses appear, the Democrats cannot deny Trump his favourite resource – sensational television – for much longer without wearying the public’s patience and taking the sting out of their original intent to remove him.

In 2001, the historian Perry Anderson argued that critics of US empire should have embraced the impeachment of Bill Clinton: any body blow against the imperial presidency was surely something good for the rest of the world. Today, liberals and legal scholars argue that impeachment will at least weaken the forward march of Trumpism, much as Clinton’s impeachment supposedly hobbled his chosen successor, Al Gore. The trouble is that the impeachment of Clinton resulted in the opposite of presidential impairment: his approval reached an all-time postwar high of 73% during his Senate trial...........
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Most everyone knows the outcome of a Senate 'Trial' is most probably a foregone conclusion, but the President is quite adept at using any advantage handed him on a silver platter to it's fullest!  Cool
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 1:04pm
 
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Not only does the President look to secure the Republican Nomination as their candidate for Re-Election in the Presidential Election come November, he is looking to squeeze every drop of Free Publicity & coverage out of his Impeachment to ensure a landslide victory against the eventual democ-Rat candidate!

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Reply #2 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 1:15pm
 
The Guardian is very popular in the Alternate Trump universe. not so much in the real world.
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Reply #3 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 1:19pm
 

He couldn't get less popular.

He lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3,000,000 votes - to Hillary!   Grin

And, he's the most unpopular President in the history of the USA.

His popularity can only go up, so I'm not sure why Panther thinks this is news worthy.

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It fry's the Leftist's asses that not only was President Donald John Trump only the third US President to ever be impeached, he will be the very first US President to ever be impeached, & then come back to win the Presidential Election & be re-elected to the US Presidency after being impeached.......by a landslide.........even greater than his 2016 landslide over the darling of the democ-RAT Party ..... Shillary, Stank, Skank, Crusty Krotch Krinton no less! 


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Electoral Votes:
(the only votes that count)
     
Trump 304
     
Krinton 227


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Panther wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 1:43pm:
Electoral Votes
     
Trump 304
     
Krinton 227



This thread isn't about electoral votes.

It's about the alleged child rapist's popularity.

He lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3,000,000 votes - to Hillary!    Grin
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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 2:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 2:02pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 1:43pm:
Electoral Votes
     
Trump 304
     
Krinton 227



This thread isn't about electoral votes.


It's about
the alleged child rapist's
popularity.

He lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3,000,000 votes - to Hillary!
    Grin
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He's
More Popular in the Electoral College, where it actually counts
....That's why He's the President, & She's not........  Grin Grin Grin Grin


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In a Democracy that would matter, but as you've been educated on this
FACT
before......the United States of America is not a Democracy........the United States of America is a Constitutional Republic, & even if he lost by 10 gazillion votes, as long as he won the Electoral Vote.....those meaningless 3,000,000 votes mean absolutely jack squat.....nothing......


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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 2:27pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 1:43pm:
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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 7:53pm
 
Something like 55% of Americans think that Trump should be impeached and sacked compared to about 27% who say that he should not have been impeached.

Over 70% want witnesses and documentation in the trial.

Even a recent Fox poll nailed Trump.

The only place of refuge for Trump supporters is in the alternate Trump universe.

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Pelosi sending impeachment papers next Tuesday.
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Reply #11 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:08pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 2:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 2:02pm:
Panther wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 1:43pm:
Electoral Votes
     
Trump 304
     
Krinton 227



This thread isn't about electoral votes.


It's about
the alleged child rapist's
popularity.

He lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3,000,000 votes - to Hillary!
    Grin
....

He's
More Popular in the Electoral College, where it actually counts
....That's why He's the President, & She's not........  Grin Grin Grin Grin


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In a Democracy that would matter, but as you've been educated on this
FACT
before......the United States of America is not a Democracy........the United States of America is a Constitutional Republic, & even if he lost by 10 gazillion votes, as long as he won the Electoral Vote.....those meaningless 3,000,000 votes mean absolutely jack squat.....nothing......


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This thread isn't about electoral votes.

It's about the alleged child rapist's popularity.

He lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3,000,000 votes - to Hillary!  Grin
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Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 7:58pm:
Pelosi sending impeachment papers next Tuesday.

Are you sure? If so its about time, their window of opportunity to make Trump look like the bad guy is diminishing, he seems to becoming more popular.
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Reply #13 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:16pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 7:58pm:
Pelosi sending impeachment papers next Tuesday.

Are you sure? If so its about time, their window of opportunity to make Trump look like the bad guy is diminishing, he seems to becoming more popular.


Really?

Would love to see your evidence.

Or, are you just an apologist for alleged child rapists?


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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:19pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 8:14pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 11th, 2020 at 7:58pm:
Pelosi sending impeachment papers next Tuesday.

Are you sure? If so its about time, their window of opportunity to make Trump look like the bad guy is diminishing, he seems to becoming more popular.


No not more popular it could hardly get worse for him. With the delay more evidence was uncovered almost every day and none of it supported Trump.

The longer the argument about witnesses and documentation being made available continues the more and more obvious it becomes about who is looking for the truth and who is trying to run a cover up.

A cover up is exactly what the Trump team and republican senate are doing. They would not do this if they believed for one second that trump was innocent. The Republican senate to a man (or woman) all know that Trump is 100% guilty.
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