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Re: Corona virus
Reply #1695 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:34am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:08am:


60 Minutes is broadcasting the gospel truth
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Be an ostrich if you want.



Lol    Grin

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lol... yep, I was in agreement with nearly everything Bobby posted up until that one.

Please tell us you're just pulling our legs? Grin
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Re: Corona virus
Reply #1696 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:34am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:03am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:01am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 9:21am:
Concentrate, Bobby.

Nobody has said anything about a minimum of 45 million deaths.

It's up to 45 million.

It's people like you, spreading misinformation like that, who are causing all the associated problems (panic-buying toilet paper, etc.).

Stop it.

Just stop it, okay?



Watch 60 Minutes and don't shoot me -
I'm only the messenger.


No, I won't watch 60 Minutes.

Garbage TV like that only makes the problem worse.



60 Minutes is broadcasting the gospel truth.
Be an ostrich if you want.


From the 60 minutes site,

Quote:
Professor Gabriel Leung, who led the fight against the SARS virus, believes 60 per cent of the world's population could become infected with COVID-19 and that up to 45 million people might die from it.


https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/coronavirus/6422bd57-ccb2-46f7-a5f7-ffb0f4ec...

UP TO 45 million people MIGHT die from it.

If you watch the actual video Professor Leung says that "The real unknown is how big is the iceberg".

When directly questions based on his opinion, how many people will die from this,

"Don't know"

And then they go on to state that "based on the current death rate", which we know from the experts is not reflective of reality because it can only be based on confirmed cases not on all cases including those unreported, so the death rate by definition is higher than reality.

Since that 45 million is based on that, reality will likely be far lower, and that assumes the full 60% are infected, and of that 60% there is the same mix of ages especially those who are most susceptible.

That should not make anyone, government, health system be complacent, they should prepare for such a high death rate, but that's their job.

We as people should take precautions yes, but overreacting and making hysterical claims like "Minimum 45 million will die, we're all doomed!!!" is just dangerous stupidity.

Your claim is not supported by the 60 Minutes segment.

The takeaways are,

We have lots of data about Influenza, years of data, but only months of COVID-19, with much of it being questionable from the early days.

This means we don't know how bad it will be, how much it will spread and how lethal it will be.  Every answer the Professor you're misquoting stated out with "we don't know", then he went on to speculate what they should prepare for.

The takeaway is not, WE'RE DOOMED!!!

You're a hype bitch, and that's putting it nicely.
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Re: Corona virus
Reply #1697 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:36am
 
Carl D wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:34am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:08am:


60 Minutes is broadcasting the gospel truth
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Be an ostrich if you want.



Lol    Grin

Funny guy.


lol... yep, I was in agreement with nearly everything Bobby posted up until that one.

Please tell us you're just pulling our legs? Grin


He must be.

No intelligent person takes shows like 60 Minutes, ACA, Sunrise, etc. seriously.

Bobby's just having a little morning troll.

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Reply #1698 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:43am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:36am:
Carl D wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:34am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:08am:


60 Minutes is broadcasting the gospel truth
.
Be an ostrich if you want.



Lol    Grin

Funny guy.


lol... yep, I was in agreement with nearly everything Bobby posted up until that one.

Please tell us you're just pulling our legs? Grin


He must be.

No intelligent person takes shows like 60 Minutes, ACA, Sunrise, etc. seriously.

Bobby's just having a little morning troll.




So where are you getting your news from groggary ?? The shoe-shine boy ?? No wonder you are one month behind the rest of us  Cheesy LOL
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Reply #1699 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:45am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:43am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:36am:
Carl D wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:34am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:08am:


60 Minutes is broadcasting the gospel truth
.
Be an ostrich if you want.



Lol    Grin

Funny guy.


lol... yep, I was in agreement with nearly everything Bobby posted up until that one.

Please tell us you're just pulling our legs? Grin


He must be.

No intelligent person takes shows like 60 Minutes, ACA, Sunrise, etc. seriously.

Bobby's just having a little morning troll.




So where are you getting your news from groggary ??


I know you're not asking me, but CDC, WHO and www.health.gov.au.

Any other sources shouldn't be immediately discounted, but don't take their word for it, check their sources and see what they have actually said or stated.

So much is opinion and not fact because we are lacking so much information at the moment.

Making grand statements of fact from these opinions, especially when you're trying to or inadvertently causing a panic, that's dangerous and I know I'll call out anything like that.

From what research I've been able to do, this is exactly what's caused the toilet paper issue.

There was a social media post that had a photo of an empty shelf of toilet paper because it was on special.  The notion of it being on special was left out of the post and they claimed it was because of the coronavirus.

It wasn't, it's just what always happens when there are these sorts of specials.

This spread of this post by people just accepting the claim and not fact-checking then triggered panic buying because people thought there was a shortage.

No, there was a half-price offer in this one Woolworths (maybe more).  There is lots of stock around the country but the logistics of such a big bulky item means there is only so much stock available at a given time.  It was a natural occurrence when these limited items per shelf space go on special.

But a hype bitch shared their opinion that it was because of the virus, left out the information about it being 1/2 price on special and then this post spreading, all of a sudden it's triggered the panic buying.

Stories like the 60 minutes are bad enough, but spreading misinformation and opinion about it is only going to lead to more panic buying, this time for more than toilet paper and rice (thanks to The Project)...

And it will stress people out.

Stressed people will be more susceptible to the virus.

We need to be alert but not anxious.  We need to all do out part, exercise restraint in posting bullshit and not forget how we all came together for the bushfires not so long ago.

Where did that go?  What happened?  How did we do such a sharp 180 and now it's every man for themselves?  That's now how you beat or mitigate something like COVID-19


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Reply #1700 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:46am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:43am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:36am:
Carl D wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:34am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:21am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:08am:


60 Minutes is broadcasting the gospel truth
.
Be an ostrich if you want.



Lol    Grin

Funny guy.


lol... yep, I was in agreement with nearly everything Bobby posted up until that one.

Please tell us you're just pulling our legs? Grin


He must be.

No intelligent person takes shows like 60 Minutes, ACA, Sunrise, etc. seriously.

Bobby's just having a little morning troll.




So where are you getting your news from groggary ?? The shoe-shine boy ?? No wonder you are one month behind the rest of us  Cheesy LOL


From reliable news sources, government agencies, and heath organisations.

Not sensationalist TV shows aimed at entertaining and/or scaring people and improving their ratings rather than informing people.

60 Minutes is sensationalist garbage.  Nothing more.


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Re: Corona virus
Reply #1701 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:47am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 10:32am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 8:30am:
Does the whole world have to re-think international air travel?

Maybe it's just not possible anymore unless we
accept a minimum of 45 million people dying
from this outbreak and the next one?

In fact that is for a death rate of 1%.
What if a new unknown virus has a death rate of 50%  ?


Didn't you say that the Earth was overpopulated and we needed to reduce the population?
Be careful what you wish for Bobby  Grin



I did say that as a reason for climate change.

The sustainable carrying capacity of the Earth is only 500 million humans.
We have 14 times too many people.
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Reply #1702 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 11:47am
 
I reach out to find out more about news in Italy, now at the highest rate of death at 4.25%

Italy is a country that has one of the worlds oldest population.
The average age of souring deaths from this virus in Italy are 81 yrs of age.

72% are males that have died from Covid-19 virus.

There are more elderly in Italy than young.

These elderly, they love their vege gardens and to make their own vino, playing card games with their elderly neighbours and life long friends.

They live a simpler humble life, had gone through young childhood in the 2nd WW and hardship of depression that followed.

This virus is no f.kn joke.


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Reply #1703 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 11:52am
 
KangAnon wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 12:05am:
KangAnon wrote on Mar 8th, 2020 at 10:21pm:
The more confirmed cases, the lower the death rate is getting.


Doesn't look so good when you look at closed cases, recovered/dead.

CLOSED CASES
64,583
Cases which had an outcome:
60,922 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

3,661 (6%)
Deaths


Exactly, but it's misleading, as all the experts have warned because those numbers are only of confirmed cases, not of overall cases.

Even if you take Bobby's latest "we're doomed" info he got from 60 minutes (which is great because if you thought it was hard enough getting food and toilet paper now...) it's still only a global death rate of 0.5% to 0.9%, depending if you take 100 to 60% infection.

It's still a huge number, but when you're talking 6%, that's a difference of 400+ million people.

Did anyone else catch the 60 minutes segment?

I haven't seen it, but from what I've ready, he's taken "Could be as high as 45 million people" to be "45 million dead minimum, we're all doomed!"...

Does anyone know what they actually reported?

I guess it doesn't really matter because if he interpreted it like that, the tards who fight over toilet paper would have too, or worse.

The longer this goes on the more of a barometer of stupid he turned out to be Sad


There are many more confirmed cases, twice as many, but these are cases that have gone from beginning to end, they are completed cases. We will only know the true outcome when all cases are completed cases. Completed cases, I believe, give the truest prediction of the outcome if things continue as they have. Still not panicking though, no point, it won't change anything.

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Reply #1704 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 1:02pm
 
Bring out your dead !

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Reply #1705 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 1:08pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 11:52am:
KangAnon wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 12:05am:
KangAnon wrote on Mar 8th, 2020 at 10:21pm:
The more confirmed cases, the lower the death rate is getting.


Doesn't look so good when you look at closed cases, recovered/dead.

CLOSED CASES
64,583
Cases which had an outcome:
60,922 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

3,661 (6%)
Deaths


Exactly, but it's misleading, as all the experts have warned because those numbers are only of confirmed cases, not of overall cases.

Even if you take Bobby's latest "we're doomed" info he got from 60 minutes (which is great because if you thought it was hard enough getting food and toilet paper now...) it's still only a global death rate of 0.5% to 0.9%, depending if you take 100 to 60% infection.

It's still a huge number, but when you're talking 6%, that's a difference of 400+ million people.

Did anyone else catch the 60 minutes segment?

I haven't seen it, but from what I've ready, he's taken "Could be as high as 45 million people" to be "45 million dead minimum, we're all doomed!"...

Does anyone know what they actually reported?

I guess it doesn't really matter because if he interpreted it like that, the tards who fight over toilet paper would have too, or worse.

The longer this goes on the more of a barometer of stupid he turned out to be Sad


There are many more confirmed cases, twice as many, but these are cases that have gone from beginning to end, they are completed cases. We will only know the true outcome when all cases are completed cases. Completed cases, I believe, give the truest prediction of the outcome if things continue as they have. Still not panicking though, no point, it won't change anything.



Yes and no.  There is evidence of vast number of confirmed cases having little to no symptoms, presenting like a mild cold.  This means that many people are not even seeking medical attention and are going undiagnosed and recover without issue, to them.  They may very well infect others.

But they aren't being counted.  This means that it throws off the ratio of cases vs deaths and make it look like the frequency of deaths is much higher vs infections than it truly is.

This is why medical experts are warning against firstly following the daily numbers, and secondly rely on the death rate as it is not real-world accurate.

Our leaders and medical infrastructures should be taking the worst possible prediction into account to help to work towards dealing with it, but us on the ground, we shouldn't be.

Having people post misleading claims like 45 Million will be dead, minimum, and "we're all doomed", that's just dangerous stupidity and they should be ashamed.
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Reply #1706 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 2:22pm
 


The takeaway from the video, if you don't know what you're talking about, if you're not an expert, shut the bugger up.

Although, Dr Mike is much nicer about it than I am.
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Reply #1707 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 2:52pm
 
KangAnon wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 1:08pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 11:52am:
KangAnon wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 6:33am:
Setanta wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 12:05am:
KangAnon wrote on Mar 8th, 2020 at 10:21pm:
The more confirmed cases, the lower the death rate is getting.


Doesn't look so good when you look at closed cases, recovered/dead.

CLOSED CASES
64,583
Cases which had an outcome:
60,922 (94%)
Recovered / Discharged

3,661 (6%)
Deaths


Exactly, but it's misleading, as all the experts have warned because those numbers are only of confirmed cases, not of overall cases.

Even if you take Bobby's latest "we're doomed" info he got from 60 minutes (which is great because if you thought it was hard enough getting food and toilet paper now...) it's still only a global death rate of 0.5% to 0.9%, depending if you take 100 to 60% infection.

It's still a huge number, but when you're talking 6%, that's a difference of 400+ million people.

Did anyone else catch the 60 minutes segment?

I haven't seen it, but from what I've ready, he's taken "Could be as high as 45 million people" to be "45 million dead minimum, we're all doomed!"...

Does anyone know what they actually reported?

I guess it doesn't really matter because if he interpreted it like that, the tards who fight over toilet paper would have too, or worse.

The longer this goes on the more of a barometer of stupid he turned out to be Sad


There are many more confirmed cases, twice as many, but these are cases that have gone from beginning to end, they are completed cases. We will only know the true outcome when all cases are completed cases. Completed cases, I believe, give the truest prediction of the outcome if things continue as they have. Still not panicking though, no point, it won't change anything.



Yes and no.  There is evidence of vast number of confirmed cases having little to no symptoms, presenting like a mild cold.  This means that many people are not even seeking medical attention and are going undiagnosed and recover without issue, to them.  They may very well infect others.

But they aren't being counted.  This means that it throws off the ratio of cases vs deaths and make it look like the frequency of deaths is much higher vs infections than it truly is.

This is why medical experts are warning against firstly following the daily numbers, and secondly rely on the death rate as it is not real-world accurate.

Our leaders and medical infrastructures should be taking the worst possible prediction into account to help to work towards dealing with it, but us on the ground, we shouldn't be.

Having people post misleading claims like 45 Million will be dead, minimum, and "we're all doomed", that's just dangerous stupidity and they should be ashamed.



I cant believe your serious...I live alone like so many and I am retired  if I get sick with flu like symptoms I will go to bed until I feel better    from previous experience the doctor can do nothing anyway...

only hypochondriacs rush to doctors with flu symptoms....

and you want our fragile health resources which are always stretched to be used for people who show signs of having a cold....omg..

mate you are getting worse......please stay home where you would at least be as safe as anyone.....

get everything delivered.. its the only way to keep safe...

me I went to a place that was jumping this morning full of people enjoying Canberra Day    not one mask in sight...NOT ONE>..

we cant help you folks who want to believe everything thats bad......me I prefer to believe the best ....and we are certainly in the best country to weather this storm...

come on sad you can do better than this.
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Reply #1708 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 2:59pm
 
Mainland China outside Hubei has reported no new locally transmitted cases of the Covid-19 coronavirus for the second straight day,
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Reply #1709 - Mar 9th, 2020 at 3:15pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 9th, 2020 at 2:59pm:
Mainland China outside Hubei has reported no new locally transmitted cases of the Covid-19 coronavirus for the second straight day,


Assuming this is true I'm wondering if viruses have a tendency to 'weaken' over a period of time? Sometimes a few years or hopefully in this case, months.

Pretty amazing that something like this can go on and on making 'perfect' replicas of itself. Surely there must be small changes occurring in the makeup of the virus during replication and transmission as time goes on (hopefully not more dangerous 'mutant' strains, of course).

Peoples' immune systems attacking the virus before it is passed on to others could possibly be slowly weakening it?

Perhaps that's why the flu seems to stop spreading after a certain point in time every year, not because people have had the flu shot (although it helps) but maybe the viruses gradually 'run out of steam' so to speak?

Like the SARS outbreak in 2002 (also from China).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome

There was a big commotion about that when it appeared as I remember (no Facebook or anything like that at the time to cause panic buying) but after 2004 no new cases appeared even though it hasn't really been eliminated.

Let's hope that this COVID-19 weakens over a fairly short period of time and it becomes (at worst) "just a bad case of the flu" from here on.
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