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Re: Corona virus
Reply #555 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:41pm:

OK Set. as we continue with facts:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-to-deny-entry-to-travellers-from-mainland-...

Australia will deny entry to all travellers from mainland China
unless they’re Australian citizens,

amid growing fear surrounding the deadly coronavirus, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced.

While citizens, permanent residents and their immediate family, legal guardians and spouses will be excepted from the strict measures, Mr Morrison said anyone arriving from China will be required to self-isolate, as part of the stricter border approach.

I'm glad you are moving on to fact rather than insane conspiracy.

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Reply #556 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:47pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:41pm:

OK Set. as we continue with facts:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/australia-to-deny-entry-to-travellers-from-mainland-...

Australia will deny entry to all travellers from mainland China
unless they’re Australian citizens,

amid growing fear surrounding the deadly coronavirus, Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced.

While citizens, permanent residents and their immediate family, legal guardians and spouses will be excepted from the strict measures, Mr Morrison said anyone arriving from China will be required to self-isolate, as part of the stricter border approach.

I'm glad you are moving on to fact rather than insane conspiracy.

Dear Set.
What scientists are saying is their learned opinion.
They are qualified to have such opinions.

forgiven

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Reply #557 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:50pm

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-01-20-intl-hnk/in...

9 min ago

Australia confirms new cases, bringing total to 12

From CNN’s Sharif Paget in Atlanta

The number of confirmed cases of the new coronavirus in Australia reached 12 on Saturday after South Australia confirmed its first two cases and Victoria confirmed its fourth.

A woman and a man, both aged 60, have been diagnosed with the virus and are in isolation at the Royal Adelaide Hospital, according to a statement posted on the South Australia Health Facebook page.

The two patients arrived in Adelaide from Wuhan on January 20, the statement said.

“They have been isolated in a home since arriving and appropriate precautions will be taken upon presentation to the [hospital].”

The relative whom the two people were staying with is being tested and is in isolation, the statement added.

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Reply #558 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:53pm

Bobby, I'm not a scientist or a biologist or a virologist but you don't have to be to understand how viruses work. I've tried to explain as simply as possible how viruses get into cells. Without the ability to get into your cells viruses cannot reproduce, they need you and your cells, they cannot do it alone. This is why most viruses do not affect us, they do not have the protein keys to our cells.

Perhaps have a look at youtube for virus replication to see how it works.

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Reply #559 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:55pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:53pm:

Bobby, I'm not a scientist or a biologist or a virologist but you don't have to be to understand how viruses work. I've tried to explain as simply as possible how viruses get into cells. Without the ability to get into your cells viruses cannot reproduce, they need you and your cells, they cannot do it alone. This is why most viruses do not affect us, they do not have the protein keys to out cells.

Perhaps have a look at youtube for virus replication to see how it works.

dear Set.
I understand that.
Are you saying that your opinion is of more worth than?:

Kusuma School of biological sciences, Indian institute of technology, New Delhi-110016, India. 2Acharya Narendra Dev College, University of Delhi, New Delhi-110019, India

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Reply #560 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 6:52pm:

No evidence is good enough for SadKangaroo.

Stop bringing a shithouse standard of evidence to the table.

Fact check, rate the quality of the sources and learn what some of the basic terms actually mean.

The evidence you cited wasn't even published, let alone peer reviewed. The most basic of testing of what they did found they "chose" a salacious result, there were other viruses that had a better partial match than the variant of HIV they chose.

It doesn't meet the scientific process, not even close.

It won't stand up to peer review and should have had to before being released.

Not everyone understands the scientific process, or in your case, it seems they don't want to.

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Reply #561 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:53pm:

Bobby, I'm not a scientist or a biologist or a virologist but you don't have to be to understand how viruses work. I've tried to explain as simply as possible how viruses get into cells. Without the ability to get into your cells viruses cannot reproduce, they need you and your cells, they cannot do it alone. This is why most viruses do not affect us, they do not have the protein keys to out cells.

Perhaps have a look at youtube for virus replication to see how it works.

dear Set.
I understand that.
Are you saying that your opinion is of more worth than?:

Kusuma School of biological sciences, Indian institute of technology, New Delhi-110016, India. 2Acharya Narendra Dev College, University of Delhi, New Delhi-110019, India

I'm saying it doesn't matter what they are saying as they are talking about the proteins that are keys and locks, not the payload. The payload is what you should be worrying about.

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Reply #562 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:00pm

For example, the evolutionary history of bats reveals they decreased body size much faster than brain size, leading to an increase in relative brain size. As a result, small bats were able to evolve improved flying maneuverability while maintaining the brainpower to handle foraging in cluttered environments. Across millions of years, most animals increased body size faster than brain size, with the exception of bats.

Some Chinese bats have PhD in pharmacology, maths and genetics.

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Reply #563 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:03pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:53pm:

Bobby, I'm not a scientist or a biologist or a virologist but you don't have to be to understand how viruses work. I've tried to explain as simply as possible how viruses get into cells. Without the ability to get into your cells viruses cannot reproduce, they need you and your cells, they cannot do it alone. This is why most viruses do not affect us, they do not have the protein keys to out cells.

Perhaps have a look at youtube for virus replication to see how it works.

dear Set.
I understand that.
Are you saying that your opinion is of more worth than?:

Kusuma School of biological sciences, Indian institute of technology, New Delhi-110016, India. 2Acharya Narendra Dev College, University of Delhi, New Delhi-110019, India

I'm saying it doesn't matter what they are saying as they are talking about the proteins that are keys and locks, not the payload. The payload is what you should be worrying about.

It comes down to whether this virus is able to block T cells
by a process of natural selection or whether it was man made?

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A T cell is a type of lymphocyte which develops in the thymus gland (hence the name) and plays a central role in the immune response. T cells can be distinguished from other lymphocytes by the presence of a T-cell receptor on the cell surface.

HIV attacks a specific type of immune system cell in the body. It's known as the CD4 helper cell or T cell. When HIV destroys this cell, it becomes harder for the body to fight off other infections. When HIV is left untreated, even a minor infection such as a cold can be much more severe.

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Reply #564 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:07pm

chimera wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:00pm:

For example, the evolutionary history of bats reveals they decreased body size much faster than brain size, leading to an increase in relative brain size. As a result, small bats were able to evolve improved flying maneuverability while maintaining the brainpower to handle foraging in cluttered environments. Across millions of years, most animals increased body size faster than brain size, with the exception of bats.

Some Chinese bats have PhD in pharmacology, maths and genetics.

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Reply #565 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:03pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:55pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 7:53pm:

Bobby, I'm not a scientist or a biologist or a virologist but you don't have to be to understand how viruses work. I've tried to explain as simply as possible how viruses get into cells. Without the ability to get into your cells viruses cannot reproduce, they need you and your cells, they cannot do it alone. This is why most viruses do not affect us, they do not have the protein keys to out cells.

Perhaps have a look at youtube for virus replication to see how it works.

dear Set.
I understand that.
Are you saying that your opinion is of more worth than?:

Kusuma School of biological sciences, Indian institute of technology, New Delhi-110016, India. 2Acharya Narendra Dev College, University of Delhi, New Delhi-110019, India

I'm saying it doesn't matter what they are saying as they are talking about the proteins that are keys and locks, not the payload. The payload is what you should be worrying about.

It comes down to whether this virus is able to block T cells
by a process of natural selection or whether it was man made?

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A T cell is a type of lymphocyte which develops in the thymus gland (hence the name) and plays a central role in the immune response. T cells can be distinguished from other lymphocytes by the presence of a T-cell receptor on the cell surface.

Bobby, that is for fighting known pathogens. If the body has no knowledge then they may just leave them alone. If they leave them alone there are two things that may happen, the pathogen has a key to your cells or it doesn't. If it does you're buggered, if it doesn't, it can't do anything. Most viruses do not have our key or keys to certain cells..

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Reply #566 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:10pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:07pm:

Bobby, that is for fighting known pathogens. If the body has no knowledge then they may just leave them alone. If they leave them alone there are two things that may happen, the pathogen has a key to your cells or it doesn't. If it does you're buggered, if it doesn't, it can't do anything. Most viruses do not have our key or keys to certain cells..

This virus does have the key.
It also appears to act like the AIDS virus.

HIV attacks a specific type of immune system cell in the body. It's known as the CD4 helper cell or T cell. When HIV destroys this cell, it becomes harder for the body to fight off other infections. When HIV is left untreated, even a minor infection such as a cold can be much more severe.

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Corona virus Reply #567 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:13pm Theories etc. abound Now it's affecting the Olympics with organisers forced to publicly deny the Olympics will be cancelled after rumours spread And here's another perspective with links, which suggests the recovery rate for coronavirus is good LINK
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Reply #568 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:10pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:07pm:

Bobby, that is for fighting known pathogens. If the body has no knowledge then they may just leave them alone. If they leave them alone there are two things that may happen, the pathogen has a key to your cells or it doesn't. If it does you're buggered, if it doesn't, it can't do anything. Most viruses do not have our key or keys to certain cells..

This virus does have the key.
It also appears to act like the AIDS virus.

HIV attacks a specific type of immune system cell in the body. It's known as the CD4 helper cell or T cell. When HIV destroys this cell, it becomes harder for the body to fight off other infections. When HIV is left untreated, even a minor infection such as a cold can be much more severe.

It does have the key, that is obvious. However engineering it to have the key HIV does is not the best way to go for a bio weapon. There are far more infectious diseases. Then you have to consider the payload, the part that does the replicating, the bad part. There are many viruses that have the key we deal with all the time, it's the payload that is the problem.

When those T cells detect an invader, they do it by recognising their protein shells, not what is inside, not the payload.

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Reply #569 - Feb 1^st, 2020 at 8:21pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-coronav...

What should I do if I think I have coronavirus?

If you have been to China and you are experiencing flu-like symptoms, you should immediately phone your GP and explain your symptoms and your travel history.

Do not make an appointment or attend a GP practice or hospital without informing them first, as they will need to make arrangements to protect others before you arrive.

How do doctors treat it?

There is no 100 per cent effective treatment for coronavirus, but in most cases, doctors treat it in the same way they treat the flu.

This could involve prescribing antiviral medication used to treat influenzas A and B as well as HIV, or antibiotics used to treat bacterial infections.

There is no vaccine yet, but scientists around the world — including in Australia — are working hard to develop one.

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