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Reply #1050 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 3:50pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 2:49pm:
It's unstoppable !!




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Reply #1051 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:16pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 2:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 1:08pm:
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 12:50pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 11:23am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 10:38am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 7:36am:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 13th, 2020 at 3:53pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 13th, 2020 at 2:36pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 13th, 2020 at 2:29pm:
Today the death toll and those that have contracted the virus has spiked to a new level...


And sulfur dioxide emissions have risen in Wuhan city which is most likely the result of burning dead bodies rather than manufacturing which has all but closed down !


China debunks "distorted" sulfur dioxide reading at epidemic epicenter



The Chinese Govt couldn't lie straight in bed.


Nor can most right-wing websites which make unsubstantiated claims, Gnads which you appear to believe all too willing.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Go to China and ask a few 20 year olds about this, you austistic lying dog faced pony soldier.

The Chinese army crackdown on the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests killed at least 10,000 people, according to newly released UK documents.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-42465516


I just put the URL on that link for you Gordon, so easier to go to.

“China bans all activists' commemorations and highly regulates online discussion of the incident, including censoring criticism. But it is marked annually by activists elsewhere in the world, particularly in Hong Kong and Taiwan.”

It’s still a very sensitive topic there, where our Chinese guide informed us to not speak a word of the massacre once we set foot in Tiananmen Square.
He told us that there are “spies” everywhere.
Our guide went stealthily quiet and hardly spoke another word during that excursion.

Spies eh?

Once back in the bus, he became himself again. Cheerier and talkative.
There were 60 of us Australians that saw the implication of that, the fear.
Where by today’s date, still has a hold over the people of China. It was a lesson by the communist government, to show they gave no qualms to destroy anyone that dares to rise for freedom of speech.
The placards said it all
“Give me democracy or give me death”
“Absolute power currupts absolutely”
“Down with dictatorship”
“To be or not to be”

Obviously they were not to be ... and a huge number of army tanks came and killed.



Brian is comparing Australia with that. He may not like the government or the PM, but buy comparing Australia with that, he's saying a very large number of Australians would be willing to facilitate a mass murder cover-up like the Chinese did.

That my friends, is Brian in a nutshell. An autistic. moronic hater of Australia and Australians.


Many Australian did take part in a Genocide, in Tasmania, Gordon.   If you believe otherwise, then point out a single full blood Tasmanian Aborigine to me, alive today.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

What I am asking is where is the proof of China lying about the Corona Virus outbreak.  Where?   We have numerous "fake news" websites circulation rumours which you, Bobby, Lois, others, like to circulate.   I want evidence, please.  Evidence which you cannot provide.   Instead, all you can do is hark back 21 years to Tienanmen Square.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Have you not paid proper attention?
A number of reports, links etc from very real sources, that none will disupute.
If you pick on Cods for giving her opinion based from her own observations, then you are truly one to try and silence people?
You haven't offered much in the way of stats, and I wonder about you, yes, I do, are you a paid shill? Are you paid by the Chinese Government?
I am on the side of the little people of China, I know how repressed they are, been there and saw it for myself. The elderly do not have pensions any more, it was stripped from them. I suppose you are going to say that's fake too?

One or two or more persons may agree and you lump them together like some conspiracy, instead of respecting each individual for what they are, and their own observations that are apparent and obvious.
Should we just shutup like they try to do to the people of China, censoring anything they say?
The government is abusing their power to make the people of China not know about Tiannamen Square. To obliterate it from history.
There's the fake news spreader right there, their own Government!!!!

Just like it seems it is happening for the Jews that went to Auschwitz in the 2nd WW....it's like some are trying to wipe out that history.

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And I post videos of journalists that are trying so hard to get the truth out to the world, their desperate, they put their lives on the line, and now they have disappeared!!

The Chinese Government are a mafia.

Here is a link, of 2 that have disappeared, even the mother is searching for her son. It's heart wrenching to say the least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQut0ABMBPQ&t=8s

One more pearl of wisdom. What stage are we at then?

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Reply #1052 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:21pm
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:16pm:
Have you not paid proper attention?


I have been.  I have yet to see you post any real evidence.  Youtube vidoes don't count as real evidence.

Show me articles, scientific papers from real scientific journals (not carnivorous journals like Bobby likes to quote).   Until you do, you're just another conspiranut as far as I am concerned.   

Let me guess, you don't like vaccination either?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Reply #1053 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:29pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:16pm:
Have you not paid proper attention?


I have been.  I have yet to see you post any real evidence.  Youtube vidoes don't count as real evidence.

Show me articles, scientific papers from real scientific journals (not carnivorous journals like Bobby likes to quote).   Until you do, you're just another conspiranut as far as I am concerned.   

Let me guess, you don't like vaccination either?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Astounding, stay at the first stage.
You spread unfounded assumptions with close ended questions.
I have never commented on vaccination and I won't, just to let you keep guessing, because you obviously like to, lump people in together, label them, and put a lid on it, whatever rocks your boat, that makes you feel secure does it?

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Reply #1054 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:40pm
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:16pm:
Have you not paid proper attention?


I have been.  I have yet to see you post any real evidence.  Youtube vidoes don't count as real evidence.

Show me articles, scientific papers from real scientific journals (not carnivorous journals like Bobby likes to quote).   Until you do, you're just another conspiranut as far as I am concerned.   

Let me guess, you don't like vaccination either?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Astounding, stay at the first stage.
You spread unfounded assumptions with close ended questions.
I have never commented on vaccination and I won't, just to let you keep guessing, because you obviously like to, lump people in together, label them, and put a lid on it, whatever rocks your boat, that makes you feel secure does it?



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Just another conspiranut.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I was hoping you'd find some real evidence.  Appears I was mistaken.  Roll Eyes

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Reply #1055 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:42pm
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Astounding, stay at the first stage.
You spread unfounded assumptions with close ended questions.
I have never commented on vaccination and I won't, just to let you keep guessing, because you obviously like to, lump people in together, label them, and put a lid on it, whatever rocks your boat, that makes you feel secure does it





well said lols.... you have now joined the special group bri bri singles out for his impudent comments..

he adores name calling  he even thought up "genderphobic' just for ozpol members..... so beware of not accepting all trannies....he will be on to ya...

its amazing I have yet to see any member get along with bri bri....he is also a member of the real PA... same thing there....its quite striking if you think about it........no one agrees with him.... even though he is convinced he is RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING..

.he has so many degrees hes informed us.....it only stands to reason why his ego is so big.. Grin Grin Grin Grin... well thats his opinion anyway...

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Reply #1056 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:45pm
 
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:29pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:21pm:
Sophia wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:16pm:
Have you not paid proper attention?


I have been.  I have yet to see you post any real evidence.  Youtube vidoes don't count as real evidence.

Show me articles, scientific papers from real scientific journals (not carnivorous journals like Bobby likes to quote).   Until you do, you're just another conspiranut as far as I am concerned.   

Let me guess, you don't like vaccination either?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Astounding, stay at the first stage.
You spread unfounded assumptions with close ended questions.
I have never commented on vaccination and I won't, just to let you keep guessing, because you obviously like to, lump people in together, label them, and put a lid on it, whatever rocks your boat, that makes you feel secure does it?

http://i.imgur.com/nRuys91l.png


Don't mind Brian, he had to rush his thread because it's 5 minutes to Wapner.
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Reply #1057 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:50pm
 
cods wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 4:42pm:
[quote author=Lols link=1579765351/1053#1053 date=1581661764]Astounding, stay at the first stage.
You spread unfounded assumptions with close ended questions.
I have never commented on vaccination and I won't, just to let you keep guessing, because you obviously like to, lump people in together, label them, and put a lid on it, whatever rocks your boat, that makes you feel secure does it


I wish you'd stop lying about me, Cods.  I hold an ordinary BA, an Honours degree, a Master's degree and a Doctor of Divinity degree.

Exactly what degrees do you have?  Oh, thats right, none.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  I suppose we should just bow down to your anti-intellectualism?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #1058 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:15pm
 
What is "Unstoppable" is the spread of fake news about the virus.

All these claims of fact yet they're all based on the opinion of someone online, not a medical export, not the CDC or the WHO or even the recommendations of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee but instead bloggers and conspiratards trying to get views, promote bullshit like the "Miracle Mineral Supplement" and profit off the virus, like they do every tragedy trying to share "breaking news" that the "lamestream media won't tell you" that is never corroborated, nearly always based on the rumours they've seen on social media or simply bullshit they've made up themselves and it's almost always completely wrong.

Why must you invent conspiracy theories to ignore the trusted sources and agencies and instead take the word of these conmen out to make a dollar off you?
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Reply #1059 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:20pm
 
KangAnon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:15pm:
What is "Unstoppable" is the spread of fake news about the virus.

All these claims of fact yet they're all based on the opinion of someone online, not a medical export, not the CDC or the WHO or even the recommendations of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee but instead bloggers and conspiratards trying to get views, promote bullshit like the "Miracle Mineral Supplement" and profit off the virus, like they do every tragedy trying to share "breaking news" that the "lamestream media won't tell you" that is never corroborated, nearly always based on the rumours they've seen on social media or simply bullshit they've made up themselves and it's almost always completely wrong.

Why must you invent conspiracy theories to ignore the trusted sources and agencies and instead take the word of these conmen out to make a dollar off you?




Sad one,
As the moderator of the Fringe forum you should have a more open mind.

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Reply #1060 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:25pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 2:49pm:
It's unstoppable !!




He's just cherry-picking information as usual though and ignoring anything that doesn't support the narrative he's pushing.

Take the first example, he highlighted the phrase "No Discernable Trend" for the Singapore case and inferred from it that this means they've already lost control, despite in the same article Minister for National Development Lawrence Wong said to the question "what will be happening in the coming days",

“The honest answer is: it is still too early to tell. We really can’t say whether it will get better, whether it will get worse, what sort of situation is going to unfold,”

Since his narrative is pushing the idea that the virus is unstoppable in order to get you to click and watch his video he's taken that to mean not what it says, that at this point we are unsure, but that this points to it being unstoppable.

It's just dishonest "reporting".  Sensationalism at it's best.

All these people should be promoting safe practices and good hygiene.

And please, stop sharing food and wine at Church...  You're just infecting everyone with not just the Coronavirus.
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Reply #1061 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:28pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:20pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:15pm:
What is "Unstoppable" is the spread of fake news about the virus.

All these claims of fact yet they're all based on the opinion of someone online, not a medical export, not the CDC or the WHO or even the recommendations of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee but instead bloggers and conspiratards trying to get views, promote bullshit like the "Miracle Mineral Supplement" and profit off the virus, like they do every tragedy trying to share "breaking news" that the "lamestream media won't tell you" that is never corroborated, nearly always based on the rumours they've seen on social media or simply bullshit they've made up themselves and it's almost always completely wrong.

Why must you invent conspiracy theories to ignore the trusted sources and agencies and instead take the word of these conmen out to make a dollar off you?




Sad one,
As the moderator of the Fringe forum you should have a more open mind.

forgiven

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There is a time and place for conspiracy nonsense and this isn't it.

The best weapon we have against the virus is an informed population.  Not people thinking gargling their mouth with salt water will kill the virus, or drinking bleach will help.

And once a vaccine has been developed, do you think all the people claiming this has been big pharma deliberately infecting the world in order to sell vaccinations for a profit are going to take it, or the regular anti-vaxxers?

How many more heartbreaking posts do we need to see for the regular Flu or Measles, Mumps etc do we need to see of parents asking for naturopathy advice desperate to heal their children when they've refused to get them vaccinated and turned their backs on accepted medicine because it's all part of Big Pharma only to end the comment thread saying their child died from a totally preventable disease?

Do we want these same idiots or those like them getting infected with Corona Virus, ignoring all the medical advice in reducing transmission and good hygiene and instead drinking bleach or turning to the other quackery alternative medicines these Facebook groups, vlogger and bloggers are selling and in turn spreading the virus even further giving it a great chance to mutate and become even more infection, lethal or even both?

Why should those of us doing the right thing have to pay the price for their mistakes?

Stopping the spread of misinformation will only help idiots like them being duped because they lack the critical thinking skills required to tell bullshit from fact.

Even as the mod of the fringe, the truth still matters.  Clearing out these ridiculous conspiracies that are being pushed by people trying to profit from the hysteria should be part of the moderation, but if it's in the Fringe I'm leaving it there because hopefully, the very fact that it's in that forum will be enough for even the most gullible person to bother a fact check.

Especially when it could cost lives having this blatantly false information out there.
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Reply #1062 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:52pm
 
KangAnon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:20pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:15pm:
What is "Unstoppable" is the spread of fake news about the virus.

All these claims of fact yet they're all based on the opinion of someone online, not a medical export, not the CDC or the WHO or even the recommendations of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee but instead bloggers and conspiratards trying to get views, promote bullshit like the "Miracle Mineral Supplement" and profit off the virus, like they do every tragedy trying to share "breaking news" that the "lamestream media won't tell you" that is never corroborated, nearly always based on the rumours they've seen on social media or simply bullshit they've made up themselves and it's almost always completely wrong.

Why must you invent conspiracy theories to ignore the trusted sources and agencies and instead take the word of these conmen out to make a dollar off you?




Sad one,
As the moderator of the Fringe forum you should have a more open mind.

forgiven

namaste


There is a time and place for conspiracy nonsense and this isn't it.

The best weapon we have against the virus is an informed population.  Not people thinking gargling their mouth with salt water will kill the virus, or drinking bleach will help.

And once a vaccine has been developed, do you think all the people claiming this has been big pharma deliberately infecting the world in order to sell vaccinations for a profit are going to take it, or the regular anti-vaxxers?

How many more heartbreaking posts do we need to see for the regular Flu or Measles, Mumps etc do we need to see of parents asking for naturopathy advice desperate to heal their children when they've refused to get them vaccinated and turned their backs on accepted medicine because it's all part of Big Pharma only to end the comment thread saying their child died from a totally preventable disease?

Do we want these same idiots or those like them getting infected with Corona Virus, ignoring all the medical advice in reducing transmission and good hygiene and instead drinking bleach or turning to the other quackery alternative medicines these Facebook groups, vlogger and bloggers are selling and in turn spreading the virus even further giving it a great chance to mutate and become even more infection, lethal or even both?

Why should those of us doing the right thing have to pay the price for their mistakes?

Stopping the spread of misinformation will only help idiots like them being duped because they lack the critical thinking skills required to tell bullshit from fact.

Even as the mod of the fringe, the truth still matters.  Clearing out these ridiculous conspiracies that are being pushed by people trying to profit from the hysteria should be part of the moderation, but if it's in the Fringe I'm leaving it there because hopefully, the very fact that it's in that forum will be enough for even the most gullible person to bother a fact check.

Especially when it could cost lives having this blatantly false information out there.



dear Sad one,
you need to research the "strawman fallacy"
as the examples you've given are not anything I've seen.

You can't use a ridiculous example to win a debating point.

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Reply #1063 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 6:08pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:52pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:20pm:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 14th, 2020 at 5:15pm:
What is "Unstoppable" is the spread of fake news about the virus.

All these claims of fact yet they're all based on the opinion of someone online, not a medical export, not the CDC or the WHO or even the recommendations of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee but instead bloggers and conspiratards trying to get views, promote bullshit like the "Miracle Mineral Supplement" and profit off the virus, like they do every tragedy trying to share "breaking news" that the "lamestream media won't tell you" that is never corroborated, nearly always based on the rumours they've seen on social media or simply bullshit they've made up themselves and it's almost always completely wrong.

Why must you invent conspiracy theories to ignore the trusted sources and agencies and instead take the word of these conmen out to make a dollar off you?




Sad one,
As the moderator of the Fringe forum you should have a more open mind.

forgiven

namaste


There is a time and place for conspiracy nonsense and this isn't it.

The best weapon we have against the virus is an informed population.  Not people thinking gargling their mouth with salt water will kill the virus, or drinking bleach will help.

And once a vaccine has been developed, do you think all the people claiming this has been big pharma deliberately infecting the world in order to sell vaccinations for a profit are going to take it, or the regular anti-vaxxers?

How many more heartbreaking posts do we need to see for the regular Flu or Measles, Mumps etc do we need to see of parents asking for naturopathy advice desperate to heal their children when they've refused to get them vaccinated and turned their backs on accepted medicine because it's all part of Big Pharma only to end the comment thread saying their child died from a totally preventable disease?

Do we want these same idiots or those like them getting infected with Corona Virus, ignoring all the medical advice in reducing transmission and good hygiene and instead drinking bleach or turning to the other quackery alternative medicines these Facebook groups, vlogger and bloggers are selling and in turn spreading the virus even further giving it a great chance to mutate and become even more infection, lethal or even both?

Why should those of us doing the right thing have to pay the price for their mistakes?

Stopping the spread of misinformation will only help idiots like them being duped because they lack the critical thinking skills required to tell bullshit from fact.

Even as the mod of the fringe, the truth still matters.  Clearing out these ridiculous conspiracies that are being pushed by people trying to profit from the hysteria should be part of the moderation, but if it's in the Fringe I'm leaving it there because hopefully, the very fact that it's in that forum will be enough for even the most gullible person to bother a fact check.

Especially when it could cost lives having this blatantly false information out there.



dear Sad one,
you need to research the "strawman fallacy"
as the examples you've given are not anything I've seen.

You can't use a ridiculous example to win a debating point.

forgiven

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There all things I've seen family and friends share on social media. Since I know them, I know they're sharing the information with the best of intentions, but it's still not good enough.

I know hitting "Share" or "Retweet" is much easier than fact checking, but it's still not good enough.

And they are real-world examples of some of the misinformation being spread about the virus but by no means representative of all the misinformation spread.

And it doesn't change the truth about what I've said. The spread of misinformation is dangerous and the best defence against the virus is a well-informed population.
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Reply #1064 - Feb 14th, 2020 at 6:31pm
 
After the readjustment of their calculations the graphs are still heading in the same direction, and the Chinese get cranky at us for extending the travel restrictions, strewth.
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