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Reply #645 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:42am
 
Repeating the opinion in the Indian Scientific paper:


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1.full.pdf


Kusuma School of biological sciences, Indian institute of technology, New Delhi-110016, India. 2Acharya Narendra Dev College, University of Delhi, New Delhi-110019, India


Abstract:We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV-1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is
unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.


    fortuitous

    happening by chance rather than intention.
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Reply #646 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:43am
 
This guy mentions it at 7:00 but he doesn't believe it:


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Reply #647 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:44am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 1st, 2020 at 11:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 1st, 2020 at 10:35pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 1st, 2020 at 10:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 1st, 2020 at 10:13pm:
And that rambling note is from the moderator of the Fringe forum
where open minds are encouraged.  Embarrassed


Bobby, I would never have taken you as one to shoot the messenger.  Grin



In this case I'm the messenger and SK is the doubting Thomas.


You didn't provide reliable evidence to support your claim.

Or more so, you have no interest in doing so and then you attack the messenger as you put it, because you don't like being wrong.

Again, fact check before you post.

It's not hard.

My In-Laws keep posting all this false message in group chats.  They've got my wife sister gargling her mouth with salt water because it will kill the virus if she's breathed it in.

Only it won't, because it's not true.  Now she's being lax in other areas that actually will help to reduce her chances of getting it or any other virus with a similar transmission profile because she's got a bottle of salt water in her bag...

But I'm keeping my mouth shut.  If they can't take the time to check more than facebook for their information that's not my fault.

But they at least they're only hurting themselves and not going around making bogus claims that the virus was manufactured with insertions from the HIV virus as if that's a proven fact causing people to doubt the actual reliable souces of information like the CDC and WHO because they're "in on it"...

The paper is flawed, it's not been published or peer-reviewed and following their methodology returns a different result than the paper concluded.  They chose an outcome to further their career.

It's junk.

But sure, let's keep an open mind.  Who cares if it's true or not?  It's all about balance right?

Who cares what is real or factual, we have to give both sides a chance right?

And you talk about the development of a vaccine, you won't be taking that right, you know, the autism and all yeah?



At this stage we're unlikely to get a peer reviewed paper
that you would accept.
You seem to rely on a strawman argument as per
they guy in the video above.
He assumes that because it's an Indian paper it's untrustworthy.
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Reply #648 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:12am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 5:44am:
At this stage we're unlikely to get a peer reviewed paper
that you would accept.
You seem to rely on a strawman argument as per
they guy in the video above.
He assumes that because it's an Indian paper it's untrustworthy.


At this stage I'll accept any peer review.

You realise they've withdrawn the paper right?

And it's not a strawman.

If you follow their methodology you get a different result.  They chose to highlight HIV rather than one of the stronger partial matches.

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They could have gone with any of the highly ranked results in the list, but they chose HIV.  On further checking of their comments, it seems to be that they've done this not for notoriety but for genuine concern and to help with treatment.

They didn't let the data guide their outcome, they picked a salacious outcome and then drew a wildly inaccurate conclusion.  Or that's at least how people like you are interpreting their analysis.

I'm sorry that your ignorance won't let you see it and your stubbornness and ego won't allow you to accept it when someone else shows it to you.

Again, like your failure to fact check, all of that is on you.

Look at the Wikipedia entry for the site,

Quote:
bioRxiv (pronounced "bio-archive") is an open access preprint repository for the biological sciences co-founded by John Inglis and Richard Sever in November 2013. It is hosted by the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL). As preprints, papers hosted on bioRxiv are not peer-reviewed, but undergo basic screening and checked against plagiarism. Readers may offer comments on the preprint. It was inspired by and intends to complement the arXiv repository, which mostly focuses on physics and connected disciplines, launched in 1991 by Paul Ginsparg (who also serves on the bioRxiv advisory board). It received support from both the CSHL and the Lourie Foundation. Additional funding from the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative was confirmed in April 2017.


Now instead of linking to the pdf, if you look on the actual page of the site linking to it, they have a big highlighted warning,

Quote:
bioRxiv is receiving many new papers on coronavirus 2019-nCoV.   A reminder: these are preliminary reports that have not been peer-reviewed. They should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or be reported in news media as established information.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1

Then if you scroll down in the comments you see one of the main authors,

Quote:
This is a preliminary study. Considering the grave situation, it was shared in BioRxiv as soon as possible to have creative discussion on the fast evolution of SARS-like corona viruses. It was not our intention to feed into the conspiracy theories and no such claims are made here. While we appreciate the criticisms and comments provided by scientific colleagues at BioRxiv forum and elsewhere, the story has been differently interpreted and shared by social media and news platforms. We have positively received all criticisms and comments. To avoid further misinterpretation and confusions world-over, we have decided to withdraw the current version of the preprint and will get back with a revised version after reanalysis, addressing the comments and concerns. Thank you to all who contributed in this open-review process.


https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1#comment-4779677688

This is why if you want to keep pushing this as a fact, that is, HIV - AIDS - amino acids were attached to this coronavirus by scientists and it's a bioweapon, take it to the Fringe. 

It's not supported by the facts and is, therefore, a conspiracy theory without proof, it belongs there, not here.

The truth and facts are important.  I don't know why you hate them so much.

This is why Light didn't like me because he was exposed time and time again and sharing incorrect information but was too proud to admit it.  Be better.
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Reply #649 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:15am
 
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You realise they've withdrawn the paper right?


No - that is news to me.
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Reply #650 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:35am
 
The RW think tanks that create conspiracy theories should label their works as 'fiction only'... Roll Eyes
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Reply #651 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:41am
 
Good post Kangaroo.

Personally though, I think we need to build a Wall around China and keep them quarantined.
They've been wearing those Medical Masks for decades now.
Nation of heavily armed sickos.
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Reply #652 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:56am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:41am:
I think we need to build a Wall around China


Haven't they had a 'Great Wall' for centuries (No, not the dealership).........how's that working?
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Reply #653 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 8:01am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:56am:
Jasin wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 7:41am:
I think we need to build a Wall around China


Haven't they had a 'Great Wall' for centuries (No, not the dealership).........how's that working?

True and it doesn't seem to be working. Maybe if we add some bars and barbed wire, things might improve?
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Reply #654 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 8:37am
 
I say send all new arrivals from China on a parliament house tour to meet the politicians.

Who knows, it could be most beneficial to Australia.
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Reply #655 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 9:27am
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 8:37am:
I say send all new arrivals from China on a parliament house tour to meet the politicians.

Who knows, it could be most beneficial to Australia.


Finally, something we can agree on.
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Reply #656 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 10:00am
 
You guys deal with the technical stuff - I'm merely concerned over the latest outbreak of a pandemic illness such as regularly occurs and how to protect our own first... that may sound mean to you, but without a safe nation, we cannot help anyone else... and that doesn't only apply to medical issues... National Security, innit?  Not Notional Security....

Just wrap it up neatly so we plebs can understand it without doing five year's research, and do try to keep the competition to a minimum....  you do the research etc - I'll sign off on the papers and get the kudos...   Cool
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Reply #657 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 10:00am
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2020 at 8:37am:
I say send all new arrivals from China on a parliament house tour to meet the politicians.

Who knows, it could be most beneficial to Australia.


Truly the merit deeply runs in this one....
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Reply #658 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 10:28am
 
Has anyone other than chinese people died from this virus yet ? Just saying Wink
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #659 - Feb 2nd, 2020 at 10:31am
 
ScoMo will find a way to turn Chinese people turning up at parliament steps as a marketing exercise for the coalition.
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