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Reply #210 - Mar 27^th, 2020 at 5:16pm

KangAnon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 9:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 7:45am:

Nice reply Mr Sad,
the fact is that the UN is not in China
right now inspecting all their
bio facilities to find out.
That is leading to conspiracy theories.

It is. People are taking that fact and then jumping to "therefore this means X" when there is no evidence to support that.

If I was an inspector, or even just little old me, I wouldn't want to be entering China right now either.

China should be welcoming UN bio weapons inspectors

but it's not even being discussed or mentioned by the UN.

( don't mention the war,
I mentioned it once
but I think I got away with it)

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Reply #211 - Mar 27^th, 2020 at 6:13pm

KangAnon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 4:45pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 12:08pm:

So where does he claim papers were withdrawn which means a cover up and proof he is right give me the video time or did you pluck that from your ass?

Just to be clear I was talking about the blog you linked to,

https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of...

I asked you if you read the post, it was in there,

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UPDATE 2/14, 3:02am EST: A probable smoking pre-print has been released, by the National Natural Science Foundation of China:

“In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019-nCoV coronavirus. In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.”

In a predictable turn, that article has been removed and both researchers have since deleted their profiles off of the ResearchGate site completely. Furthering the appearance of a cover-up

He's claiming a cover-up, like conspiracy nuts. Again, I'm not saying he IS a conspiracy nut nor that he's wrong, but he hasn't proven anything to the point where YOU can be certain he is right and it's 100% confirmed to be engineered.

The blog post even references the retracted pre-print article that (falsely) concluded it was made in a lab because of the similarities to HIV when if you followed their methodology and use the same search site they did you can find literally thousands of other viruses with he same HIV proteins in them yet they ignored all of those and went with the sexy one, HIV and were utterly destroyed by the scientific community for doing so.

Yet people wanting to make the claims still refer to it, claim that since it was retracted it was a cover-up, just like anti-vaxxers do with the thoroughly debunked study about the (non-existent) link to autism.

Don't jus watch videos, check the links, read the blogs the articles and the papers they claim justify their opinions.

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The papers he cited with research all went through the peer review process or did you miss that?

Then instead of refuting anything he said you called this scientist a conspiracy nut because he goes against your idiocy.

Leftards always slag off scientists who go against leftist idiocy.

You're certainly a very sad example of a roo

Go back, have a sit down and re-read what I said.

KangAnon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 11:03am:

I'm not saying they're untrue and he is wrong, all I am saying is if this is what you're using to make claims of "It must be engineered", and want to inject politics into attacking those who don't agree with you or demand a higher quality of evidence, then it seems like for all your complains you don't actually understand the scientific process and are part of the problem.

I was talking about the blogger, not the person in the video.

But let's talk about him, Francis Boyle.

Don't forget, he's the same guy who said this,

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Obama was bought and paid for by Zionists. That's why Rahm Emanuel was his chief-of-staff, until just recently, when he decided to run for mayor of Chicago. Emanuel was bought and paid for to be put in there, the same way with [Dennis] Ross and the White House. Mrs. Clinton sold her soul to the Zionists in New York to get elected as senator from New York

He also thinks that SARS and MERS came out of the same lab.

He commented on the HIV study (debunked) and all he's doing is sharing his opinions on the work of others. Be careful when people do that without having done any of their own research.

He also said the same about Ebola, this time linking it to a conspiracy to Obama (in 2014),

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“I think the people at the top know. Probably Obama too.”

Don't be so quick to believe everything that fits your opinions, check the sources first.

The Professor in the video is not the guy who wrote that blog so you're showing incredible stupidity in claiming that.

Furthering the appearance of a cover up is not saying it's a cover up, another example of your stupidity.

The blog was written by a guy called Dan why are you diverting with a strawman to someone else called Francis Boyle who I have never mentioned, another example of your stupidity.

Then you have the stupidity to mention anti vaxxers which I have never mentioned, I call those people Pro Disease.

Then you have the audacity to tell me not to believe something I have researched with other biologists without checking sources despite you showing incredible stupidity in comprehending what is posted.

I have no doubt this virus was created in a lab in Wuhan.

fact checker and debunker pmsl. More like stupid bullshit artist

I don't know why I waste my time with idiots like you I will just scroll over your garbage in future.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #212 - Mar 27^th, 2020 at 7:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:

The Professor in the video is not the guy who wrote that blog so you're showing incredible stupidity in claiming that.

Wat...

KangAnon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 4:45pm:

I was talking about the blogger, not the person in the video.

But let's talk about him, Francis Boyle.

Have a site down, go and read the post again petal.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #213 - Mar 27^th, 2020 at 8:31pm

KangAnon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 7:39pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 6:13pm:

The Professor in the video is not the guy who wrote that blog so you're showing incredible stupidity in claiming that.

Wat...

KangAnon wrote on Mar 27^th, 2020 at 4:45pm:

I was talking about the blogger, not the person in the video.

But let's talk about him, Francis Boyle.

Have a site down, go and read the post again petal.

I read your idiocy I don't need to read your idiocy again.

Who is this Francis Boyle you're showing everyone here how much of an idiot you are. Why are you citing someone I have never mentioned, no brain = no headaches eh?

The Biology Professor in the video said it was Dan's blog.
Dan went to Harvard his brain works, Sad Roo is probably the dumbest leftie in this forum which says a lot because there is great competition for the dumbest leftie in this forum.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-sirotkin-928882180

People should take a screen shot in case this idiot tries to delete his idiocy.
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Reply #214 - Apr 9^th, 2020 at 10:18pm

Sky News Australia

Sky News host Andrew Bolt says claims coronavirus came from a Wuhan exotic animal market were beginning to fall apart with a Chinese academic pointing the finger at dangerous virology labs.

A scholar from the South China University of Technology wrote a report casting doubt on the claim revealing “bat was never a food source in Wuhan” and bat was never sold at the infamous wet market.

Instead, the author theorised that “a nearby laboratory just 300 metres from the market” was responsible for the outbreak.

He said a researcher who worked coronaviruses and bats was quarantined for 14 days after being splashed with infected blood and urine.

The scholar has since withdrawn his paper, a decision Mr Bolt said may have been due to pressure “to shut up” from Chinese leadership.

Mr Bolt also revealed on his show that another nearby lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, bragged about discovering and identifying “a large number of new bat and rodent viruses” in a job ad posted in 2019.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #215 - Apr 10^th, 2020 at 9:23am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 9^th, 2020 at 10:18pm:

Sky News Australia

Sky News host Andrew Bolt says claims coronavirus came from a Wuhan exotic animal market were beginning to fall apart with a Chinese academic pointing the finger at dangerous virology labs.

A scholar from the South China University of Technology wrote a report casting doubt on the claim revealing “bat was never a food source in Wuhan” and bat was never sold at the infamous wet market.

Instead, the author theorised that “a nearby laboratory just 300 metres from the market” was responsible for the outbreak.

He said a researcher who worked coronaviruses and bats was quarantined for 14 days after being splashed with infected blood and urine.

The scholar has since withdrawn his paper, a decision Mr Bolt said may have been due to pressure “to shut up” from Chinese leadership.

Mr Bolt also revealed on his show that another nearby lab, the Wuhan Institute of Virology, bragged about discovering and identifying “a large number of new bat and rodent viruses” in a job ad posted in 2019.

His opinion is not evidence, let alone extraordinary evidence.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #216 - Apr 10^th, 2020 at 9:40am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 10^th, 2020 at 9:23am:

His opinion is not evidence, let alone extraordinary evidence.

You are correct - it's not extraordinary evidence
but the evidence is mounting.

However:
The scholar has since withdrawn his paper,
a decision Mr Bolt said may have been due to pressure “to shut up” from Chinese leadership.

Do you think the Chinese are being open about it?

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #217 - Apr 10^th, 2020 at 10:26am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10^th, 2020 at 9:40am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 10^th, 2020 at 9:23am:

His opinion is not evidence, let alone extraordinary evidence.

You are correct - it's not extraordinary evidence
but the evidence is mounting.

However:
The scholar has since withdrawn his paper,
a decision Mr Bolt said may have been due to pressure “to shut up” from Chinese leadership.

Do you think the Chinese are being open about it?

The thing is we don't know.

To draw a conclusion from that is foolish.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #218 - Apr 10^th, 2020 at 10:34am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 10^th, 2020 at 10:26am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 10^th, 2020 at 9:40am:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 10^th, 2020 at 9:23am:

His opinion is not evidence, let alone extraordinary evidence.

You are correct - it's not extraordinary evidence
but the evidence is mounting.

However:
The scholar has since withdrawn his paper,
a decision Mr Bolt said may have been due to pressure “to shut up” from Chinese leadership.

Do you think the Chinese are being open about it?

The thing is we don't know.

To draw a conclusion from that is foolish.

Once again - the United Nations hasn't even mentioned
inspecting China to see what's going on.
It sounds like a cover up to me.

I will continue to add new evidence as it come to light.

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KangAnon Moderator Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 17911 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #219 - Apr 10^th, 2020 at 11:13am You just go from one ignorant position to another, making claims it must mean X each time. Just change your signature and be done with it. You don't understand what that means.
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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #220 - Apr 10^th, 2020 at 11:19am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 10^th, 2020 at 11:13am:

You just go from one ignorant position to another, making claims it must mean X each time.

Just change your signature and be done with it. You don't understand what that means.

Extraordinary evidence requires a large amount of evidence.
However - we're faced with a situation that the crime scene
is off limits to investigation
and the culprits are covering it up as much as possible.

We can therefore only speculate - that is -
form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #221 - Apr 13^th, 2020 at 1:11pm

Now - evidence of a Chinese cover up.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-...

Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin

By Nectar Gan, Caitlin Hu and Ivan Watson, CNN

Updated 0029 GMT (0829 HKT) April 13, 2020

Hong Kong (CNN)China has imposed restrictions on the publication of academic research on the origins of the novel coronavirus,

according to a central government directive and online notices published by two Chinese universities, that have since been removed from the web.
Under the new policy, all academic papers on Covid-19 will be subject to extra vetting before being submitted for publication. Studies on the origin of the virus will receive extra scrutiny and must be approved by central government officials, according to the now-deleted posts.
A medical expert in Hong Kong who collaborated with mainland researchers to publish a clinical analysis of Covid-19 cases in an international medical journal said his work did not undergo such vetting in February.

The increased scrutiny appears to be the latest effort by the Chinese government to control the narrative on the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, which has claimed more than 100,000 lives and sickened 1.7 million people worldwide since it first broke out in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December.
Since late January, Chinese researchers have published a series of Covid-19 studies in influential international medical journals. Some findings about early coronavirus cases -- such as when human-to-human transition first appeared -- have raised questions over the official government account of the outbreak and sparked controversy on Chinese social media.

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Reply #222 - Apr 16^th, 2020 at 8:12pm

US explores possibility that coronavirus started in Chinese lab,
not a market

By Josh Campbell, Kylie Atwood and Evan Perez, CNN

Updated 0438 GMT (1238 HKT) April 16, 2020

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/us-intelligence-virus-started-chines...

(CNN)US intelligence and national security officials say the United States government is looking into the possibility that the novel coronavirus originated in a Chinese laboratory rather than a market, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter who caution it is premature to draw any conclusions.
The theory is one of multiple being pursued by investigators as they attempt to determine the origin of the coronavirus that has resulted in a pandemic and killed hundreds of thousands. The US does not believe the virus was associated with bioweapons research, and officials noted that the intelligence community is also exploring a range of other theories regarding the origination of the virus, as would typically be the case for high-profile incidents, according to an intelligence source.
The theory has been pushed by supporters of the President, including some congressional Republicans, who are eager to deflect criticisms of Trump's handling of the pandemic.

An intelligence official familiar with the government analysis said a theory US intelligence officials are investigating is that the virus originated in a laboratory in Wuhan, China, and was accidentally released to the public. Other sources told CNN that US intelligence hasn't been able to corroborate the theory but is trying to discern whether someone was infected in the lab through an accident or poor handling of materials and may have then infected others.
US intelligence is reviewing sensitive intelligence collection aimed at the Chinese government, according to the intelligence source, as they pursue the theory. But some intelligence officials say it is possible the actual cause may never be known.

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KangAnon Moderator Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 17911 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #223 - Apr 17^th, 2020 at 8:59am It still remains a possibility yes. But claims that it "is" require evidence, something that is yet not available.
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Reply #224 - Apr 17^th, 2020 at 9:07am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 17^th, 2020 at 8:59am:

It still remains a possibility yes.

But claims that it "is" require evidence, something that is yet not available.

UN weapons inspectors need to go in with
unrestricted access and the ability to
interview whoever they want to
gather the evidence.

My fear is that their findings could lead to war.

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