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Reply #345 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 6:53pm
 
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 8:25am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 24th, 2020 at 8:52am:
There is a lab in Wuhan, therefore it's a bioweapon.

That is not evidence.

People were welded shut in their house, therefore it's a bioweapon

This is not evidence.


Do you actually imagine the Chinese would leave any evidence?


There is no evidence, therefore it's a bioweapon.

This is not evidence.
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Reply #346 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 6:58pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 6:53pm:
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 8:25am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 24th, 2020 at 8:52am:
There is a lab in Wuhan, therefore it's a bioweapon.

That is not evidence.

People were welded shut in their house, therefore it's a bioweapon

This is not evidence.


Do you actually imagine the Chinese would leave any evidence?


There is no evidence, therefore it's a bioweapon.

This is not evidence.



You have 24 pages of evidence to debunk.   Smiley
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Reply #347 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 7:01pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 2nd, 2021 at 2:15pm:
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 8:25am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 24th, 2020 at 8:52am:
There is a lab in Wuhan, therefore it's a bioweapon.

That is not evidence.

People were welded shut in their house, therefore it's a bioweapon

This is not evidence.

Do you actually imagine the Chinese would leave any evidence?
We may never know the truth of the situation. For me the bottom line is there’s no need for the Chinese to be genetically engineering viruses as weapons. Their attitude to the ‘warm meet’ market, supported by by their 'great leader’, is a serious threat to all of us.


The Covid outbreak started in Wuhan, which just happens to have a biosafety level 4 virology lab that studies coronavirus almost identical to COVID-19.

Now if every city in China had a biosafety level 4 virology lab that studies the aforementioned, no big deal, but level 4 virology labs are very rare. China has just 2.

Now look at the wobbly China chucked at Australia over the request for an investigation. Shortly after that they started point the finger to everyone from Italy to frozen beef from Australia. The lady doth protest too much?


This is not, however, evidence

It's certainly a very likely scenario, but there is yet to be any evidence to prove it.

If there was, it wouldn't be a fringe topic.

I think as I said, it's a likely scenario, but there are just as likely and even more likely scenarios with greater evidence than this.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

"There was a lab in Wuhan, therefore, it must be a bioweapon or escaped from the lab".

Unless there is evidence that it actually escaped, which if it was the case would be incredibly difficult to prove given the lack of access and the incentive of the Chinese to cover it up, we can only speculate.

Which is the point of this forum. 

But don't let a belief in a certain scenario let you abandon the requirement of proof or mistaken the opinion of others in the absence of proof as just as valuable.

Not directed at your Gordon but a general statement.

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Reply #348 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 7:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 6:58pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 6:53pm:
Ayn Marx wrote on Dec 31st, 2020 at 8:25am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 24th, 2020 at 8:52am:
There is a lab in Wuhan, therefore it's a bioweapon.

That is not evidence.

People were welded shut in their house, therefore it's a bioweapon

This is not evidence.


Do you actually imagine the Chinese would leave any evidence?


There is no evidence, therefore it's a bioweapon.

This is not evidence.



You have 24 pages of evidence to debunk.   Smiley


You have to post some first.  Nothing thus far meets the basic requirements of evidence and you're just ignoring the general scientific consensus of the origin of the virus in Wuhan. 

Unless you can debunk that first, I can't see you earning the right to demand anyone debunk anything you've posted.
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Reply #349 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 7:40pm
 
‘Growing body of evidence’ shows COVID-19 leaked from Chinese lab: US official

By Sara Dorn

January 2, 2021 | 8:44pm

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https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/growing-body-of-evidence-shows-covid-19-leaked-fro...



U.S. National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger is doubling down on the theory that COVID-19 leaked from a Chinese government-run lab in Wuhan.

Pottinger, a staunch critic of Beijing, allegedly made the claim in a recent Zoom meeting with British officials.

“There is a growing body of evidence that the lab is likely the most credible source of the virus,” Pottinger reportedly said, according to the Daily Mail.

The Trump appointee pushed the theory as the European Union made a new investment deal with China last week over protests from Pottinger and hesitance from the incoming Biden administration.

Pottinger, one of the first U.S. officials to raise alarms inside White House walls about the origins of the virus back in January 2020, has reportedly suspected since the early days of the outbreak that the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab.

He ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to search for evidence that it had, the New York Times reported in April.
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Reply #350 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 9:55pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 7:40pm:
‘Growing body of evidence’ shows COVID-19 leaked from Chinese lab: US official

By Sara Dorn

January 2, 2021 | 8:44pm

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/china2.jpg


https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/growing-body-of-evidence-shows-covid-19-leaked-fro...



U.S. National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger is doubling down on the theory that COVID-19 leaked from a Chinese government-run lab in Wuhan.

Pottinger, a staunch critic of Beijing, allegedly made the claim in a recent Zoom meeting with British officials.

“There is a growing body of evidence that the lab is likely the most credible source of the virus,” Pottinger reportedly said, according to the Daily Mail.

The Trump appointee pushed the theory as the European Union made a new investment deal with China last week over protests from Pottinger and hesitance from the incoming Biden administration.

Pottinger, one of the first U.S. officials to raise alarms inside White House walls about the origins of the virus back in January 2020, has reportedly suspected since the early days of the outbreak that the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab.

He ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to search for evidence that it had, the New York Times reported in April.


First paragraph, "theory".

Last paragraph states they're searching for evidence

Again, there is not yet evidence to support it...

The headline would have you believe there is evidence but when you read past it, it's just another Trump appointee making unsubstantiated claims, like all the "evidence" of voter fraud.

It could be true, but until proven it's just a theory.

Well, it's not even that. At this point it's just a hypothesis.

That's all I'm saying. Thanks for posting something that supports this position.
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Reply #351 - Jan 3rd, 2021 at 10:17pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 9:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 7:40pm:
‘Growing body of evidence’ shows COVID-19 leaked from Chinese lab: US official

By Sara Dorn

January 2, 2021 | 8:44pm

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/01/china2.jpg


https://nypost.com/2021/01/02/growing-body-of-evidence-shows-covid-19-leaked-fro...



U.S. National Security Adviser Matthew Pottinger is doubling down on the theory that COVID-19 leaked from a Chinese government-run lab in Wuhan.

Pottinger, a staunch critic of Beijing, allegedly made the claim in a recent Zoom meeting with British officials.

“There is a growing body of evidence that the lab is likely the most credible source of the virus,” Pottinger reportedly said, according to the Daily Mail.

The Trump appointee pushed the theory as the European Union made a new investment deal with China last week over protests from Pottinger and hesitance from the incoming Biden administration.

Pottinger, one of the first U.S. officials to raise alarms inside White House walls about the origins of the virus back in January 2020, has reportedly suspected since the early days of the outbreak that the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab.

He ordered U.S. intelligence agencies to search for evidence that it had, the New York Times reported in April.


First paragraph, "theory".

Last paragraph states they're searching for evidence

Again, there is not yet evidence to support it...

The headline would have you believe there is evidence but when you read past it, it's just another Trump appointee making unsubstantiated claims, like all the "evidence" of voter fraud.

It could be true, but until proven it's just a theory.

Well, it's not even that. At this point it's just a hypothesis.

That's all I'm saying. Thanks for posting something that supports this position.


There is no evidence to support the theory it came from the wet market in Wuhan it's amusing how idiots believe that story which has absolutely no evidence to support it.

This blog on Jan 31 2020 pretty much nails it on the origins of this virus coming from the only Level 4 Bio security lab in China which is in Wuhan. Far more evidence supporting Lab origin for this virus compared to no evidence for official bullshit story. https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/01/31/logistical-and-technical-analysis-of...

It appears Dan knew more about this than the CDC when we compare dates.

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Reply #352 - Jan 10th, 2021 at 8:10am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3rd, 2021 at 10:17pm:
There is no evidence to support the theory it came from the wet market in Wuhan it's amusing how idiots believe that story which has absolutely no evidence to support it.

The Chinese (so called) Communist Party is expert at destroying evidence.
They are so expert anyone on the ground who has direct knowledge of certain facts vanishes. From my perspective ( even though I regard China as a plague on the planet more dangerous than Hitler ever was) the real evil is in those western capitalists  babbling on about trade, trade, trade. They'd deal with Satan for shareholder benefit and a fat managing director’s bonus.
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Reply #353 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 5:36pm
 
https://www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com/health-news/secret-bat-cages-at-wuha...

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Secret bat cages at Wuhan lab where researchers planned to breed animals for virus experiments
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February 13, 2021



The Chinese laboratory at the centre of suspicion over the origins of the coronavirus pandemic was awarded a patent for cages to hold live bats for testing just months before the virus started spreading.

The revelation comes after the World Health Organisation last week backed Beijing’s line, saying that a leak from the institute was ‘highly unlikely’, while giving credence to theories that the virus had entered the country via frozen meat.

The team included Peter Daszak, a British-born zoologist whose organisation EcoHealth Alliance has studied bat-borne viruses with Wuhan lab scientists for 15 years, and who has categorically denied that researchers keep the mammals for testing.

However, The Mail on Sunday has established that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) filed an application in June 2018 to patent ‘bat rearing cages’ which would be ‘capable of healthy growth and breeding under artificial conditions’.

The patent, which has been seen by this newspaper, was granted in January 2019 – 11 months before Beijing reported that the first cases of the virus in the city had broken out just a few miles from the institute.


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Reply #354 - Feb 20th, 2021 at 7:23pm
 
German University Study: Most Likely COVID Came From Wuhan Lab Leak


World renowned scientist says artificial origin theory “must urgently become the subject of a public debate”

Published 15 hours ago

on 19 February, 2021


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https://summit.news/2021/02/19/german-university-study-most-likely-covid-came-fr...


A prominent German scientist with the University of Hamburg has released findings of a year long study that concludes the most likely cause of the coronavirus pandemic is a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The study, was overseen by Professor Dr. Roland Wiesendanger, a world renowned nanotechnology expert, and three-time awardee of the European Research Council Advanced Grant.

While his latest study has not been peer reviewed at this time, Wiesendanger has authored or co-authored more than 600 scientific publications as well as several books.

The University of Hamburg issued a press release detailing the findings of Wiesendanger’s study.

It concludes that that “both the number and quality of the circumstantial evidence point to a laboratory accident at the virological institute in the city of Wuhan as the cause of the current pandemic.”

The year long study was based on “scientific literature, articles in print and online media, and personal communication with international colleagues.”

Wiesendanger states that “It does not provide highly scientific evidence, but it does provide ample and serious circumstantial evidence”


The key points of the study are:

    No intermediate host animal has been identified that could have facilitated the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 pathogens from bats to humans.

    The SARS-CoV-2 viruses are surprisingly good at coupling to human cell receptors and penetrating human cells… which indicate a non-natural origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen.

    A research group at the Wuhan City Virological Institute has been genetically manipulating coronaviruses for many years with the goal of making them more contagious, dangerous and deadly to humans.

    There are numerous direct references to a laboratory origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen.
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Reply #355 - Feb 20th, 2021 at 8:09pm
 
New Study By Dr. Steven Quay Concludes that SARS-CoV-2 Came from a Laboratory

January 30, 2021·3 min read

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/study-dr-steven-quay-concludes-130000526.html


Wuhan Institute of Virology Research in December 2019 Shows Evidence of Adenovirus Vaccine Experiments in Patients with COVID-19

SEATTLE, Jan. 29, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A paper was published today by Dr. Steven Quay, M.D., PhD., CEO of Atossa Therapeutics, Inc. (NASDAQ: ATOS), entitled, "A Bayesian analysis concludes beyond a reasonable doubt that SARS-CoV-2 is not a natural zoonosis but instead is laboratory derived." The 193-page paper can be downloaded from Zenodo, a general-purpose open-access repository operated by CERN, here: https://zenodo.org/record/4477081# . A short 'explainer' video about the paper is here: https://zenodo.org/record/4477212#.





The purpose of the analysis was to determine the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Beginning with a likelihood of 98.2% that it was a zoonotic jump from nature with only a 1.2% probability it was a laboratory escape, twenty-six different, independent facts and evidence were examined systematically. The final conclusion is that it is a 99.8% probability SARS-CoV-2 came from a laboratory and
only a 0.2% likelihood it came from nature.




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Reply #356 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:07am
 


"COVID-19 is the ultimate proof that biological weapons work. If Chinese scientists actually succeed in developing viruses that attack only foreigners, China could end up as the only viable society in the world."




Quote:

China: What to Do About It?


by Gordon G. Chang
March 21, 2021


    Amendments to China's National Defense Law, effective the beginning of this year, take away sweeping powers from the State Council, which leads China's civilian government, and give it to the Communist Party's Central Military Commission. These powers include the power to mobilize all of society for war.

    Everything they do, whether it is seemingly innocuous, such as measuring a mountain or putting a rover on Mars, is a means of claiming sovereignty, of enlarging the People's Republic. Now, of course, there are, in addition to these incursions, China's militant, hostile, belligerent acts.... The question is, what are we going to do about it?

    China will land a Rover, its Rover, on Mars in either May or June.... China's officials have been talking about moon and Mars as if they are sovereign Chinese territory -- part of the People's Republic.

    They look at near heavenly bodies the same way they do the South China Sea, something that should be theirs. This means that if they get there, China believes it has the right to exclude other nations.



    Today let's focus on three things that China is doing relating to genetics. First, China is collecting the world's DNA. Second, China is genetically engineering the Chinese to become a superhuman race, in other words, eugenics. Third, Chinese researchers are working on pathogens, new pathogens, artificial ones, to create the world's next pandemic.

    The story here is that we allowed the Chinese to plunder our society for data.

    This whole subject was brought to the attention of the American public by John Ratcliffe, then director of National Intelligence, when he wrote that China was trying to grow super‑soldiers. Ratcliffe mentioned that China is already conducting experiments on people in the People's Liberation Army to enhance their abilities, to create, as he called it, "biologically enhanced capabilities."

    The Chinese regime does not have ethics or morality. It is not restrained by law. It does not have a sense of restraint. The regime is trying to create the perfect communist. China has the ability and the will to do this, which means that the world has got to prevent this experimentation.



    China can become number one in two ways. It can enhance its own CNP ranking by becoming stronger, or it can decrease the CNP rankings of other countries. That's where pathogens come in. This notion of decreasing CNP of others meant that China had no inhibitions about spreading the coronavirus around the world.

    Now, China's ranking of CNP will increase dramatically, of course, if the next disease leaves the Chinese alone and sickens only foreigners.

    The spreading of the coronavirus is indeed an application of unrestricted warfare. Many analysts have said that biological warfare does not work. I can understand why they say that, but unfortunately we have just seen a disease kill about 2.4 million people as well as hobble societies across the world.

    COVID-19 is the ultimate proof that biological weapons work. If Chinese scientists actually succeed in developing viruses that attack only foreigners, China could end up as the only viable society in the world. This is communist China's weapon against the world and against the United States as well.



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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17191/china-what-to-do-about-it

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Reply #357 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:15am
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:07am:

COVID-19 is the ultimate proof that biological weapons work. If Chinese scientists actually succeed in developing viruses that attack only foreigners, China could end up as the only viable society in the world."




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Reply #358 - Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:18am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2021 at 7:23pm:
German University Study: Most Likely COVID Came From Wuhan Lab Leak


World renowned scientist says artificial origin theory “must urgently become the subject of a public debate”

Published 15 hours ago

on 19 February, 2021


https://cdn.summit.news/2021/02/GettyImages-541526073.jpg


https://summit.news/2021/02/19/german-university-study-most-likely-covid-came-fr...


A prominent German scientist with the University of Hamburg has released findings of a year long study that concludes the most likely cause of the coronavirus pandemic is a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

The study, was overseen by Professor Dr. Roland Wiesendanger, a world renowned nanotechnology expert, and three-time awardee of the European Research Council Advanced Grant.

While his latest study has not been peer reviewed at this time, Wiesendanger has authored or co-authored more than 600 scientific publications as well as several books.

The University of Hamburg issued a press release detailing the findings of Wiesendanger’s study.

It concludes that that “both the number and quality of the circumstantial evidence point to a laboratory accident at the virological institute in the city of Wuhan as the cause of the current pandemic.”

The year long study was based on “scientific literature, articles in print and online media, and personal communication with international colleagues.”

Wiesendanger states that “It does not provide highly scientific evidence, but it does provide ample and serious circumstantial evidence”


The key points of the study are:

    No intermediate host animal has been identified that could have facilitated the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 pathogens from bats to humans.

    The SARS-CoV-2 viruses are surprisingly good at coupling to human cell receptors and penetrating human cells… which indicate a non-natural origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen.

    A research group at the Wuhan City Virological Institute has been genetically manipulating coronaviruses for many years with the goal of making them more contagious, dangerous and deadly to humans.

    There are numerous direct references to a laboratory origin of the SARS-CoV-2 pathogen.


While his latest study has not been peer reviewed at this time, Wiesendanger has authored or co-authored more than 600 scientific publications as well as several books.


And there you have it. Additionally, he's a physicist, so his micro knowledge would seem limited.
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Yadda wrote on Mar 22nd, 2021 at 9:07am:


"COVID-19 is the ultimate proof that biological weapons work. If Chinese scientists actually succeed in developing viruses that attack only foreigners, China could end up as the only viable society in the world."




Quote:

China: What to Do About It?


by Gordon G. Chang
March 21, 2021


    Amendments to China's National Defense Law, effective the beginning of this year, take away sweeping powers from the State Council, which leads China's civilian government, and give it to the Communist Party's Central Military Commission. These powers include the power to mobilize all of society for war.

    Everything they do, whether it is seemingly innocuous, such as measuring a mountain or putting a rover on Mars, is a means of claiming sovereignty, of enlarging the People's Republic. Now, of course, there are, in addition to these incursions, China's militant, hostile, belligerent acts.... The question is, what are we going to do about it?

    China will land a Rover, its Rover, on Mars in either May or June.... China's officials have been talking about moon and Mars as if they are sovereign Chinese territory -- part of the People's Republic.

    They look at near heavenly bodies the same way they do the South China Sea, something that should be theirs. This means that if they get there, China believes it has the right to exclude other nations.



    Today let's focus on three things that China is doing relating to genetics. First, China is collecting the world's DNA. Second, China is genetically engineering the Chinese to become a superhuman race, in other words, eugenics. Third, Chinese researchers are working on pathogens, new pathogens, artificial ones, to create the world's next pandemic.

    The story here is that we allowed the Chinese to plunder our society for data.

    This whole subject was brought to the attention of the American public by John Ratcliffe, then director of National Intelligence, when he wrote that China was trying to grow super‑soldiers. Ratcliffe mentioned that China is already conducting experiments on people in the People's Liberation Army to enhance their abilities, to create, as he called it, "biologically enhanced capabilities."

    The Chinese regime does not have ethics or morality. It is not restrained by law. It does not have a sense of restraint. The regime is trying to create the perfect communist. China has the ability and the will to do this, which means that the world has got to prevent this experimentation.



    China can become number one in two ways. It can enhance its own CNP ranking by becoming stronger, or it can decrease the CNP rankings of other countries. That's where pathogens come in. This notion of decreasing CNP of others meant that China had no inhibitions about spreading the coronavirus around the world.

    Now, China's ranking of CNP will increase dramatically, of course, if the next disease leaves the Chinese alone and sickens only foreigners.

    The spreading of the coronavirus is indeed an application of unrestricted warfare. Many analysts have said that biological warfare does not work. I can understand why they say that, but unfortunately we have just seen a disease kill about 2.4 million people as well as hobble societies across the world.

    COVID-19 is the ultimate proof that biological weapons work. If Chinese scientists actually succeed in developing viruses that attack only foreigners, China could end up as the only viable society in the world. This is communist China's weapon against the world and against the United States as well.



......

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17191/china-what-to-do-about-it

[the whole article is just a click away.]





If thats the case, its a terrible bioweapon. China had 4000 deaths, whilst countries we would assume have majority Caucasian populations had a varying amount of deaths based on their ability to deal with it.

It also doesn't fit with the narrative the same people seem to be putting ouyt about HCQ and ivermectin.

Why would you develop a bioweapon that could be cured by a relatively cheap set of drugs.


Forget lack of evidence, this lacks common sense.
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