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Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie
Reply #15 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:15pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:13pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare,
affordable education,
affordable childcare,
higher wages,
less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Oh my gosh, indeed !

Bernie Sanders can promise those objectives, TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE DECEIVED....

But neither Bernie Sanders [nor any Socialist/Marxist in America] has the means or any viable method, which can fulfill those promised outcomes.

Such promises, are the stuff of fairy tales.

means = =
1 an action or system by which a result is achieved.
2 financial resources; income. substantial resources; wealth.

Are you saying that America doesn't have the money to provide these social programmes to its citizens?

Socialists/Marxists are corrupt, and incompetent managers, in government.

They have revealed this, again, and again, and again, and again, ....in recent history [the last 100 years].

e.g.
Venezuela DID have the resources [Venezuela has, still, huge, huge oil reserves] to provide a Socialists/Marxists 'utopia'.

And how has that worked out ?

Well, since when did any authoritarian government work out?

As far as I know, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Netherlands, Germany, Austria; they all work out quite well as far as I know. They have very good social welfare programmes.

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Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie
Reply #16 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:19pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare,
affordable education,
affordable childcare,
higher wages,
less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Oh my gosh, indeed !

Bernie Sanders can promise those objectives, TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE DECEIVED....

But neither Bernie Sanders [nor any Socialist/Marxist in America] has the means or any viable method, which can fulfill those promised outcomes.

Such promises, are the stuff of fairy tales.

means = =
1 an action or system by which a result is achieved.
2 financial resources; income. substantial resources; wealth.

Are you saying that America doesn't have the money to provide these social programmes to its citizens?

Hard work, & sacrifice is the American way to achieve prosperity & reward......providing unsustainable free-bees to people who didn't earn the right to them, by taking financial resources away from those that did, to provide it to them isn't a solution, it's a sure fire recipe to ultimate failure...... Socialism is a curse, & hopefully America.....the land I love.....will not walk away from a proven source of prosperity, Free Market Supply & Demand Capitalism.

But, I'll keep an open mind........propose your social programs when America doesn't need to borrow a Trillion dollars a year any longer......till then.....Americans should pay as they go to achieve what they want in life............

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Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie
Reply #17 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:24pm

Panther wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:19pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare,
affordable education,
affordable childcare,
higher wages,
less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Oh my gosh, indeed !

Bernie Sanders can promise those objectives, TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE DECEIVED....

But neither Bernie Sanders [nor any Socialist/Marxist in America] has the means or any viable method, which can fulfill those promised outcomes.

Such promises, are the stuff of fairy tales.

means = =
1 an action or system by which a result is achieved.
2 financial resources; income. substantial resources; wealth.

Are you saying that America doesn't have the money to provide these social programmes to its citizens?

Hard work, & sacrifice is the American way to achieve prosperity & reward......providing unsustainable free-bees to people who didn't earn the right to them, by taking financial resources away from those that did, to provide it to them isn't a solution, it's a sure fire recipe to ultimate failure...... Socialism is a curse, & hopefully America.....the land I love.....will not walk away from a proven source of prosperity, Free Market Supply & Demand Capitalism.

So, did the slave owners work hard and sacrifice for their wealth and success? Did the robber barons work hard for their success when they bought politicians and got favours from members of Congress??

You're living in a fantasy work, Panther. America is riddled with poverty and obese people. Sure, you saved our arses in World War 2 and have presided over a world without war, but at what cost to the American worker? At what cost to the American black man/woman?

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Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie
Reply #18 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:25pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare,
affordable education,
affordable childcare,
higher wages,
less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Oh my gosh, indeed !

Bernie Sanders can promise those objectives, TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE DECEIVED....

But neither Bernie Sanders [nor any Socialist/Marxist in America] has the means or any viable method, which can fulfill those promised outcomes.

Such promises, are the stuff of fairy tales.

means = =
1 an action or system by which a result is achieved.
2 financial resources; income. substantial resources; wealth.

Are you saying that America doesn't have the money to provide these social programmes to its citizens?

You mean the same programs we receive in Australia?

Of course not. America needs that money to fund the top 1%, who for some strange reason, all come from the Cayman Islands.

You?

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44228 Gender:	Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Reply #19 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:34pm Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm: Oh my gosh! Affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable childcare, higher wages, less poverty! Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed. Well, you are fingering someone else to pay.
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Reply #20 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:48pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable childcare, higher wages, less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Well, you are fingering someone else to pay.

So are you, old boy. You flew here. You receive all those benefits.

Why didn't you country-shop America instead?

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Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie
Reply #21 - Feb 12^th, 2020 at 5:32pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable childcare, higher wages, less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Well, you are fingering someone else to pay.

Short of printing more money which creates inflation, the only way to fund social welfare programmes is to redistribute money via taxation. There is no other way.

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Reply #22 - Feb 12^th, 2020 at 5:59pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 12^th, 2020 at 5:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable childcare, higher wages, less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Well, you are fingering someone else to pay.

Short of printing more money which creates inflation, the only way to fund social welfare programmes is to redistribute money via taxation. There is no other way.

IF redistribution is the aim.
Why not also think of making people self-sufficient and save taxation for the ones who cannot be self-sufficient - the sick.

It's not the state's function to save the lazy and profligate from themselves. Support the unfortunate, yes. Not the opportunist lay-abouts who have not made provisions for their old age.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58055 Here Gender:	Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Reply #23 - Feb 12^th, 2020 at 8:06pm Quote: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie It maybe more like everyone is uniting behind Bernie.
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Reply #24 - Feb 12^th, 2020 at 8:37pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable childcare, higher wages, less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Well, you are fingering someone else to pay.

Do you know that the US currently pay more per head of population to not have these things when compared to countries that do ?

An example is healthcare where Placed like Canada are paying about 50% less per head of population for universal health care than what the US pay to not have it ? In the US the government give health funds and pharmaceutical companies trillions so that they can go on and charge the population more Trillions.

Difficult to say that it is unaffordable when it costs about 50% less than the current system.

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Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie
Reply #25 - Feb 13^th, 2020 at 12:55am

Why didn't Bernie go to Canada for their excellent healthcare if it is so much better than ours?

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Sen. Bernie Sanders abruptly suspended his 2020 White House bid on Wednesday after undergoing an unexpected heart procedure — with the 78-year-old’s campaign saying he will be sidelined “until further notice.”

The Vermont senator was rushed to a Las Vegas hospital Tuesday night after suffering what his campaign characterized as “some chest discomfort” at a Nevada event.

“Following medical evaluation and testing he was found to have a blockage in one artery and two stents were successfully inserted,” noted Team Sanders.

Whoever offers the most free stuff gets the low information voters support.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Reply #26 - Feb 13^th, 2020 at 2:09pm Well at least the girls get a half a day off of their choirs and an outing to go and vote.
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Reply #27 - Feb 13^th, 2020 at 5:46pm

Frank wrote on Feb 12^th, 2020 at 5:59pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 12^th, 2020 at 5:32pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 9:34pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:41pm:

Oh my gosh!

Affordable healthcare, affordable education, affordable childcare, higher wages, less poverty!

Oh my gosh, I feel so oppressed.

Well, you are fingering someone else to pay.

Short of printing more money which creates inflation, the only way to fund social welfare programmes is to redistribute money via taxation. There is no other way.

IF redistribution is the aim.
Why not also think of making people self-sufficient and save taxation for the ones who cannot be self-sufficient - the sick.

It's not the state's function to save the lazy and profligate from themselves. Support the unfortunate, yes. Not the opportunist lay-abouts who have not made provisions for their old age.

In theory, your idea would work, but in reality it's much different. Most people who are unemployed or homeless aren't 'lazy', they usually suffer from mental health problems and are absolutely in despair since they don't have anyone in their life.

Second, it's not as easy to 'find a job' and work. There's so much cost-cutting and competition out there that it's not easy to find work, especially full-time work.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Reply #28 - Feb 13^th, 2020 at 5:48pm Mortdooley wrote on Feb 13^th, 2020 at 12:55am: Why didn't Bernie go to Canada for their excellent healthcare if it is so much better than ours? This isn't about Bernie Sanders. It's about public policy.
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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6968 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: U.S. Muslims unite behind Bernie Reply #29 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 12:49am Auggie wrote on Feb 13^th, 2020 at 5:48pm: Mortdooley wrote on Feb 13^th, 2020 at 12:55am: Why didn't Bernie go to Canada for their excellent healthcare if it is so much better than ours? This isn't about Bernie Sanders. It's about public policy. No, it is about Bernie and what he stands for.
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