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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10874 armidale Gender:	Re: ⮞ Trump uses Military Funds to Pay for the WALL ⮜ Reply #15 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:53am Richdude wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:03am: A president that keeps his word!! When have you heard that before? Locked and loaded , rocket man.
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Reply #16 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 8:39am

Richdude wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:03am:

"Promises made = promises kept".

A president that keeps his word!! When have you heard that before?

Well done President Trump.

So Mexico is paying for the wall?

Or are you retroactively changing his promise to suit his actions, ala changing the goalposts, again?

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Reply #17 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:14am

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Richdude wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:03am:

"Promises made = promises kept".

A president that keeps his word!! When have you heard that before?

Well done President Trump.

So Mexico is paying for the wall?

Or are you retroactively changing his promise to suit his actions, ala changing the goalposts, again?

Who pays for the wall isn't as important as getting the wall built. Did you see that open ground in the video? How easy would it be for illegals to scurry across flat ground like that? And the old barriers were nothing more than a speed bump. A high wall or fence, whatever it's called, is badly needed. And as Rich said, "promise kept"

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Reply #18 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:20am

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Richdude wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:03am:

"Promises made = promises kept".

A president that keeps his word!! When have you heard that before?

Well done President Trump.

So Mexico is paying for the wall?

Or are you retroactively changing his promise to suit his actions, ala changing the goalposts, again?

Who pays for the wall isn't as important as getting the wall built. Did you see that open ground in the video? How easy would it be for illegals to scurry across flat ground like that? And the old barriers were nothing more than a speed bump. A high wall or fence, whatever it's called, is badly needed. And as Rich said, "promise kept"

No, he made it clear that it was Mexico's problem, they would pay for it. It was a key part of the promise.

You're changing the goal posts too.

Do you feel the same way with his Health Care changes? Is that another "Promise Kept"?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10874 armidale Gender:	Re: ⮞ Trump uses Military Funds to Pay for the WALL ⮜ Reply #19 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:58am The Trump Towering Wall is business as usual. Mega-buck scheme , huge promises , loan is definite. Loan falls over, huge promises , it's time to pay , Trump is screwed for the cash , extorts from Pentagon and embezzles taxes. PR : Mexico paid for Trump's perfect deal , suckers .
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Reply #20 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 11:47am

Panther wrote on Feb 18^th, 2020 at 7:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2020 at 6:51pm:

Has Mexico coughed up?

It wasn't necessary to threaten Mexico with a continual onslaught of draconian tariffs & the likes any longer. The new trade agreement/treaty ....
the 'USMCA'
..... was jointly signed into law, & it insured that Mexico, for it's part, would be a very willing 'partner' in helping facilitate America's desires of a safe & maintainable border to the benefit of both nations.

As you know, no longer will asylum seekers be allowed to enter the USA until they are fully vetted & cleared by the USA for entry. While awaiting a determination on their claims for asylum, the asylum seekers must await the verdict in Mexico, regardless how long that may take, & having never been permitted to set one foot onto American soil. If they satisfy American scrutiny, they will eventually be permitted to enter the USA under strict conditions of immigration & assimilation.

Mexico has agreed to accept the cost of their part of this undertaking, on their side of the border. So even though their funds aren't being used to directly pay for the Wall as such, those costs they are footing, is considered their contribution to the American Wall effort, & their financial undertaking in this matter is considered to be quite substantial.

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So you think that's Mexico paying for the wall?

I say. Anyone's free to claim asylum at any airport in the US, Panther. They're then released into the community while their application is processed.

The only ones ruled out are those pesky Muslims and shthole countries Mr Trump promised to ban UNTIL WE CAN WORK OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON.

SEND THEM BACK, no?

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Reply #22 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 11:55am

chimera wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:58am:

The Trump Towering Wall is business as usual. Mega-buck scheme , huge promises , loan is definite. Loan falls over, huge promises , it's time to pay , Trump is screwed for the cash , extorts from Pentagon and embezzles taxes.
PR : Mexico paid for Trump's perfect deal , suckers .

Indeed, it's business as usual for Mr Trump: taking out a foreign loan to fund a building project.

The only difference here is the US can't declare bankruptcy and pin the debt on somebody else.

Negotiations aren't even underway for the land to build the wall. Estimates have come back at 30 million per mile, factoring in legal costs, etc, and that's just the price of the land.

I guess Mr Trump forgot the first rule in property development: first, buy the land.

Then, and only then, can you promise Mexico will pay.

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Reply #23 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 11:56am

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:20am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Richdude wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:03am:

"Promises made = promises kept".

A president that keeps his word!! When have you heard that before?

Well done President Trump.

So Mexico is paying for the wall?

Or are you retroactively changing his promise to suit his actions, ala changing the goalposts, again?

Who pays for the wall isn't as important as getting the wall built. Did you see that open ground in the video? How easy would it be for illegals to scurry across flat ground like that? And the old barriers were nothing more than a speed bump. A high wall or fence, whatever it's called, is badly needed. And as Rich said, "promise kept"

No, he made it clear that it was Mexico's problem, they would pay for it. It was a key part of the promise.

You're changing the goal posts too.

Do you feel the same way with his Health Care changes? Is that another "Promise Kept"?

I said it's more important to get the wall/fence built (it's technically a fence) and if Mexico doesn't pay their half of the cost, they are reneging on the universal principle of sharing the cost of a common barrier between two land masses.

On a much lower level, my pensioner mother was billed thousands of dollars by her Local Council for her share of the cost to erect a colorbond fence on her boundary because the Council owned the land on the other side of the fence. The Council never gave her a chance to seek her own quote. She couldn't afford the money the Council was asking so I chipped in half to help her out

Now, who's been paying for the monitoring of the border on the Mexican side for centuries, you think the US has been paying for it? No, the US pays for monitoring their side, and Mexico pays for monitoring the Mexican side, if they do any at all, but sharing costs is how it's supposed to work

Trump can make Mexico pay via a mandatory levy on their vehicles crossing the border until their share is paid if they don't pay voluntarily, but as I said, it's more important to get the barrier built, even if the US pays the whole cost, it will be money well spent

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Reply #24 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 11:59am

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Richdude wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:03am:

"Promises made = promises kept".

A president that keeps his word!! When have you heard that before?

Well done President Trump.

So Mexico is paying for the wall?

Or are you retroactively changing his promise to suit his actions, ala changing the goalposts, again?

Who pays for the wall isn't as important as getting the wall built.

Did you see that open ground in the video? How easy would it be for illegals to scurry across flat ground like that? And the old barriers were nothing more than a speed bump. [highlight]A high wall or fence, whatever it's called, is badly needed. And as Rich said, "promise kept"[/highlight]

100% Correct!!!

Only the Butt-Hurt, Trump Hating, Leftist, KrustyKruntKrinton supporters get their panties in a twist because Trump didn't make Mexico pay for the wall, as if that means anything to us Americans.....Americans want the WALL first & foremost for the Security it provides ALL Americans.........it provides a huge aid in keeping the foreign sh!thole county's low-lifes, muslim terrorists, people smugglers, drug cartels & gangs out. We couldn't give a flyin' royal rats ass who pays for it, or how much it fvvckin' costs.

President Trump is doing all that can be done to keep his promises, & doing the job he was hired to do, in spite of the demon-RAT obstructionists in Congress, & succeeding at that.......We will gladly reward him with 4 more years in the White House!!!

I didn't vote for him in 2016.......I just didn't vote.......but I sure as hell will be voting for him this time!!!

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10874 armidale Gender:	Re: ⮞ Trump uses Military Funds to Pay for the WALL ⮜ Reply #25 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 12:04pm Mexico has paid every last cent owing on the wall and if not there's Obama Care. Trump's Act would have beneifited the federal budget by $119 billion over ten years so there's heaps in the bank for the Wall. Then Melania's savings account and Homeless Buffalo Fodder Charity.
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Reply #26 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 12:05pm

Panther wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 11:52am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Richdude wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 4:03am:

"Promises made = promises kept".

A president that keeps his word!! When have you heard that before?

Well done President Trump.

So Mexico is paying for the wall?

Or are you retroactively changing his promise to suit his actions, ala changing the goalposts, again?

Who pays for the wall isn't as important as getting the wall built.

Did you see that open ground in the video? How easy would it be for illegals to scurry across flat ground like that? And the old barriers were nothing more than a speed bump. [highlight]A high wall or fence, whatever it's called, is badly needed. And as Rich said, "promise kept"[/highlight]

100% Correct!!!
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[size=14][font=Georgia][i]Only the Butt-Hurt, Trump Hating, Leftist, KrustyKruntKrinton supporters get their panties in a twist because Trump didn't make Mexico pay for the wall, as if that means anything to us Americans.....Americans want the WALL first & foremost for the Security it provides.........a huge aid in keeping the sh!thole countries unwanted foreigners, people smugglers, drug cartels & gangs out. We couldn't give a rats ass who pays for it, or how much it costs.

Oh? A Republican Congress rejected the wall, followed by a Democrat Congress and a month-long government shut-down, the longest in US history.

The Ryan-led Congress put the case most succinctly: Congress would only consider authorising funds for a physical barrier after it could be shown which government programs would be cut to pay for it, as is the Republican policy on all new government expenditure.

Why do you think Mr Trump promised Mexico would pay?

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Reply #27 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 12:08pm

chimera wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 10:58am:

The Trump Towering Wall is business as usual. Mega-buck scheme , huge promises , loan is definite. Loan falls over, huge promises , it's time to pay , Trump is screwed for the cash , extorts from Pentagon and embezzles taxes.
PR : Mexico paid for Trump's perfect deal , suckers .

That's exactly what his supports are saying, even Trump.

They're claiming the changes from NAFTA to USMCA means that Mexico is paying for the wall.

Sure, they don't know what the changes are nor do they understand how trade and tariffs work but the bottom line is, Mexico isn't paying the wall, not even via the USMCA. Trump made it very very clear what he meant by Mexico paying for the wall,

He even said they'd make a one time payment, dashing all these claims about "paying in other ways",

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It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall:

It's still on his website,

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf

And even as recently as the Trump's rally in Wildwood New Jersey last month he said,

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In all due respect to Mexico, we like Mexico very much, and we’ve gotten along great with Mexico, and the President’s a friend of mine, and I think he’s doing a fantastic job. It’s a tough situation. But Mexico is in fact, you will soon find out, paying for the wall. Okay? They’d hit you with that. Now the wall is ultimately and very nicely being paid for by Mexico, and it’s an advantage for Mexico, too, when you think about it.

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Mexico hasn't paid a cent and all these claims of "they're paying in other ways" or "They'll reimburse us" were all made after the election when Trump found out Mexico won't pay so he had to change the goalposts, just like his supporters.

Fact: Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall, even claiming they'd make a $5-$10 billion payment. Mexico has done no such thing and Trump has had to take funds from the military outside of every official level of Government to get the funds for his wall.

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Reply #28 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 12:11pm

chimera wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 12:04pm:

Mexico has paid every last cent owing on the wall and if not there's Obama Care. Trump's Act would have beneifited the federal budget by $119 billion over ten years so there's heaps in the bank for the Wall. Then Melania's savings account and Homeless Buffalo Fodder Charity.

Good point, Chimera. Mexico will pay by stopping refugees on their side and taking out a loan from Melania.

Why the leftards don't understand that is anyone's guess. Still, the Real Americans don't care about their government's 4 trill deficit as long as it doesn't go into paying for health care, right?

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Reply #29 - Feb 19^th, 2020 at 12:13pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2020 at 11:56am:

but as I said, it's more important to get the barrier built, even if the US pays the whole cost, it will be money well spent

Which is a broken promise by Trump. As is the cost of the wall. He said it would cost him $10-$12 Billion because he's in construction, and Mexico would pay for it because he makes deals.

He's failed on both of those claims.

Now you, he and all his supporters are still trying to claim the wall as a win when it's multiple monumental failures covered by changing goalposts as you've just done.

Trump touted his skill as a negotiation and construction magnate and he has not delivered.

These are indisputable facts with video and direct quotes to back it up.

You don't care because you support Trump, I understand that, but fact is fact.

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