Karnal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2020 at 9:21am:

Only a small percentage of these people at the Greek border of from Syria. Loads of them are African. Turkey obviously had weak border control policy. Even foreign ISIS fighters were travelling in and out of Turkey. It's Turkey's fault.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 7^th, 2020 at 9:36am:


That "weak border control policy" was intended to help Syrian men, women and children escape a civil war, dear. It would be weak border control if they didnt. It could also be seen as a crime against humanity.

Libya stopped African refugees heading to Europe about 3 years ago, when the EU paid them to do it. The EU also pays Turkey, but recent attacks by Russian bombers have created a surge of refugees entering Turkey, which is stretched to its limit. Turkey currently houses and feeds over 5 million Syrian refugees.

Not Africans, Homo, Syrians. Iraq and Lebanon have similar numbers.

Turkey is the bulwark preventing Syrian refugees entering Europe. Hardly weak border policy, dear. Erdogan recently announced that they need support: help us out, or take the refugees yourselves.

Sounds pretty fair to me.

You?

The message to the Muslims from the EU this time around is very clear and that is KEEP OUT.

Jesus Christ! between the Muslims Chinese and Tasmanians humanity is in reverse gear.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 7^th, 2020 at 1:41pm:


How do the Pakis get to Turkey, dear?

I'm curious.

For Karnal Knowledge. Reuters 5 hous ago.

Migrant crisis at Greek-Turkish border in second week, EU mulls more aid

Lefteris Papadimas, Joseph Nasr

KASTANIES, Greece/PAZARKULE, Turkey (Reuters) - The European Union on Friday pleaded with migrants on the Turkish border to stop trying to cross into Greece but dangled the prospect of more aid for Ankara as a standoff between Greek riot police and refugees entered a second week.

Tens of thousands of migrants have been trying to get into Greece, an EU member state, since Turkey said on Feb. 28 it would no longer try to keep them on its territory as agreed in 2016 with the EU in return for billions of euros in aid.
Greek and Turkish security forces again deployed tear gas on Friday, witnesses said, sending plumes of smoke above the Kastanies-Pazarkule border crossing. Some migrants dabbed stinging eyes with water. Other trekked through fields probing for chinks in the well-guarded frontier.
“The news about the alleged openness (of the Greek-Turkish border) is false and people should not try to move there,” the EU’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, told reporters during a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Croatia.

The EU could offer more money beyond the 6 billion euros ($6.79 billion) pledged in 2016 to help the refugees but Turkey must first stop using them as a “bargaining chip”, he said.
Turkey, which hosts nearly 4 million Syrian war refugees, says the EU has failed to honour earlier promises. It also wants more European support in Syria, where its troops are facing off against Russian-backed Syrian government forces.

In a sign of the EU’s hardening stance since the 2015 migration crisis, when more than a million migrants entered Europe from Turkey, the ministers in Zagreb said they were ready to take “all necessary measures” to stop illegal crossings into Greece, without elaborating.
Turkey’s foreign ministry slammed the statement, saying it showed EU countries were using migrants as political tools, and that they were allowing international law to be “trampled”. It said EU support for Greece showed the bloc was allowing its own values and laws to be disregarded.
“EU countries, including Greece, must abide by their international responsibilities and accept the applications of refugees,” the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement, adding that the comments showed the EU did not understand the burden Turkey had to carry in hosting the migrants.
“Accusing a country that hosts the most number of refugees in the best possible way of using migration for political aims is another indication of the two-faced approach we have been subjected to for years. With this statement, the EU is itself using this issue as a political tool,” it said.
“AT EUROPE’S MERCY”
Migrants such as 18-year-old Ahmad al-Sadeq, from Syria’s war-ravaged Idlib province, are unlikely to heed such warnings.

“We will stay here for months. We hope that public pressure will grow and force the Greek government to change its mind. The situation requires some heart, not tear gas and fences,” said Sadeq, who got into Greece on Thursday but was then sent back.
“We left Syria to escape a government that murders women and children ... and now we are here at Europe’s mercy.”
But Fawzi Uzbek, 37, an Afghan national who wants to reach Germany, said he would probably soon head back to Istanbul, where he has been working in a factory for about 18 months.
“The Greeks know that if they open the gates they will get many more people (arriving) on this side of the border,” said Uzbek, sitting in a makeshift tent he had constructed near the border for himself, his wife and four children.
About a quarter of the migrants at the border are Syrian and most of the rest are Afghans, Pakistanis, Iranians and Africans, according to Turkish estimates.
Greece says it has repulsed around 35,000 migrants trying to cross its border in the past week. Turkey has deployed 1,000 special police to the area to halt the pushback of migrants onto its territory.
Athens plans to extend its border fence by a further 40 km (25 miles), sources with knowledge of the matter said. It has also stepped up naval patrols in the Aegean to deter migrants trying to reach Greek islands such as Lesbos by dinghy.

You appear to be correct, Homo, but that's not fair. We like to help the refugees, but we won't stomach every Tom, Dick and Harry waltzing in and taking advantage of our generosity.

There are, by the way, quite a few Pakis and Bangladeshis in Athens. I've always assumed them to be legit migrants. They're Europe's Curries.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 7^th, 2020 at 6:54pm:


Only with Iraq and Afghanistan, Homo.

Rohinga? Myanmar.

Afghanis? Warlords, Taliban.

Pakis? Paki Taliban.

Syrians? Assad, ISIS, Russia, Turkey, etc, etc, etc.

It is a jolly world, no?

Karnal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2020 at 9:29pm:

I've been watching interviews with migrants on the border and good jobs seem to be the concern of many. Whinging about not earning enough in Turkey. None of this is about safety. They have safety in Turkey. They want a more first world type of comfortable  safety.