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Reply #30 - Mar 19th, 2020 at 3:11pm
 
From the paper -

"This systematic error erroneously ele-
vates the GMSL trend during 1993–1998 by between 0.9 ± 0.5
and 1.5 ± 0.5 mm yr −1 , depending on whether a glacial isostatic
adjustment (GIA) or Global Positioning System (GPS) data set was
used to correct for the effects of land motion at tide gauges used
in the bias estimation process. After removing these biases, the
estimated rate of GMSL rise from 1993 to mid-2014 was between
2.6 ± 0.4 and 2.9 ± 0.4 mm yr −1 , with a positive but not statistically
significant acceleration of 0.041 ± 0.058 mm yr −2 , compared with a
not statistically significant deceleration of −0.057 ± 0.058 mm yr −2
for unadjusted data."

https://sci-hub.tw/10.1038/nclimate3325
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Reply #31 - Mar 19th, 2020 at 8:29pm
 
Why are we even arguing about the reality and consequences of Global Warming???

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The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:


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https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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Reply #32 - Mar 19th, 2020 at 9:47pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 8:29pm:
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The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/



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NASA. The mob that still uses the busted 97% meme. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

According to University of East Anglia here wasn't even good data for the Southern Hemisphere prior to the 1950's but they can give us a  lovely graph back to the 1880's. Wink


0.9C is hardly rapid in over 100 years. Wink
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Reply #33 - Mar 19th, 2020 at 9:51pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 9:47pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 8:29pm:
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The evidence for rapid climate change is compelling:
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/



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According to University of East Anglia here wasn't even good dat for the Southern Hemisphere prior to the 1950's but they can give us a  lovely graph back to the 1880's. Wink


0.9C is hardly rapid in over 100 years. Wink



https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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Reply #34 - Mar 19th, 2020 at 9:52pm
 
Appeal to authority. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #35 - Mar 20th, 2020 at 5:42am
 
lee wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 3:11pm:
From the paper -

"This systematic error erroneously ele-
vates the GMSL trend during 1993–1998 by between 0.9 ± 0.5
and 1.5 ± 0.5 mm yr −1 , depending on whether a glacial isostatic
adjustment (GIA) or Global Positioning System (GPS) data set was
used to correct for the effects of land motion at tide gauges used
in the bias estimation process. After removing these biases, the
estimated rate of GMSL rise from 1993 to mid-2014 was between
2.6 ± 0.4 and 2.9 ± 0.4 mm yr −1 , with a positive but not statistically
significant acceleration of 0.041 ± 0.058 mm yr −2 , compared with a
not statistically significant deceleration of −0.057 ± 0.058 mm yr −2
for unadjusted data."

https://sci-hub.tw/10.1038/nclimate3325



Koch-funded pseudo science. You can do better, lee.
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Reply #36 - Mar 20th, 2020 at 12:13pm
 
Marla wrote on Mar 20th, 2020 at 5:42am:
Koch-funded pseudo science. You can do better, lee.



poor petal. Such a numpty. The original is at Nature and paywalled.

Try here -

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3325

I doubt you can do better. You have shown no facility thus far. Wink
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Reply #37 - Mar 21st, 2020 at 9:13am
 
lee wrote on Mar 20th, 2020 at 12:13pm:
poor petal. Such a numpty. The original is at Nature and paywalled.

Try here -

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate3325

I doubt you can do better. You have shown no facility thus far. Wink


Paywalled doesn't mean doodle-squat, lee. Why is that, lee? Why are you so retarded, lee? Why don't you do something with your life beside post Koch-funded propaganda, lee?
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Reply #38 - Mar 21st, 2020 at 12:40pm
 
Marla wrote on Mar 21st, 2020 at 9:13am:
Paywalled doesn't mean doodle-squat, lee. Why is that, lee?



Because they want people to pay for it. Roll Eyes

The Sci-hub website allows review of it without payment.

Marla wrote on Mar 21st, 2020 at 9:13am:
Why don't you do something with your life beside post Koch-funded propaganda, lee?



You do know Nature is one of the world's leading "consensus science" sites; don't you?

You really are a "special" child. Wink
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Reply #39 - Mar 21st, 2020 at 11:56pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 21st, 2020 at 12:40pm:
You do know Nature is one of the world's leading "consensus science" sites; don't you?



100% Koch-funded.
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Reply #40 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 1:04pm
 
Marla wrote on Mar 21st, 2020 at 11:56pm:
100% Koch-funded.



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Reply #41 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 2:13pm
 
Marla wrote on Mar 20th, 2020 at 5:42am:
lee wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 3:11pm:
From the paper -

"This systematic error erroneously ele-
vates the GMSL trend during 1993–1998 by between 0.9 ± 0.5
and 1.5 ± 0.5 mm yr −1 , depending on whether a glacial isostatic
adjustment (GIA) or Global Positioning System (GPS) data set was
used to correct for the effects of land motion at tide gauges used
in the bias estimation process. After removing these biases, the
estimated rate of GMSL rise from 1993 to mid-2014 was between
2.6 ± 0.4 and 2.9 ± 0.4 mm yr −1 , with a positive but not statistically
significant acceleration of 0.041 ± 0.058 mm yr −2 , compared with a
not statistically significant deceleration of −0.057 ± 0.058 mm yr −2
for unadjusted data."

https://sci-hub.tw/10.1038/nclimate3325



Koch-funded pseudo science. You can do better, lee.


Here is what Nature actually said in the link provided....Cherry picking to ignore and distort what the paper actually says???

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Global mean sea level (GMSL) has been rising at a faster rate during the satellite altimetry period (1993–2014) than previous decades, and is expected to accelerate further over the coming century1. However, the accelerations observed over century and longer periods2 have not been clearly detected in altimeter data spanning the past two decades3,4,5. Here we show that the rise, from the sum of all observed contributions to GMSL, increases from 2.2 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 1993 to 3.3 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 2014. This is in approximate agreement with observed increase in GMSL rise, 2.4 ± 0.2 mm yr−1 (1993) to 2.9 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 (2014), from satellite observations that have been adjusted for small systematic drift, particularly affecting the first decade of satellite observations6. The mass contributions to GMSL increase from about 50% in 1993 to 70% in 2014 with the largest, and statistically significant, increase coming from the contribution from the Greenland ice sheet, which is less than 5% of the GMSL rate during 1993 but more than 25% during 2014. The suggested acceleration and improved closure of the sea-level budget highlights the importance and urgency of mitigating climate change and formulating coastal adaption plans to mitigate the impacts of ongoing sea-level rise.


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Reply #42 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 3:11pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2020 at 2:13pm:
Cherry picking to ignore and distort what the paper actually says???

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No petal. What I posted was in the guts of the article, not the Abstract. You do understand the difference; don't you?

Perhaps you had trouble with the second sentence as well -

"However, the accelerations observed over century and longer periods2 have not been clearly detected in altimeter data spanning the past two decades3,4,5"

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Reply #43 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 5:56pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 22nd, 2020 at 3:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2020 at 2:13pm:
Cherry picking to ignore and distort what the paper actually says???

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What I posted was in the guts of the article, not the Abstract.


Bullshit....you cherry picked one portion that you believe supports your denialism whilst ignoring the context of the article....Global Warming is not a hoax ya dickhead!!!

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Global mean sea level (GMSL) has been rising at a faster rate during the satellite altimetry period (1993–2014) than previous decades, and is expected to accelerate further over the coming
century.

However, the accelerations observed over century and longer periods have not been clearly detected in altimeter data spanning the past two decades.

Here we show that the rise, from the sum of all observed contributions to GMSL, increases
from 2.2 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 1993 to 3.3 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 in 2014.

This is in approximate agreement with observed increase in GMSL rise, 2.4 ± 0.2 mm yr−1 (1993) to 2.9 ± 0.3 mm yr−1 (2014), from satellite observations that have been adjusted for small systematic drift, particularly affecting the first decade of satellite observations.

The mass contributions to GMSL increase from about 50% in 1993 to 70% in 2014 with the largest, and statistically significant, increase coming from the contribution from the Greenland ice sheet, which is less than 5% of the GMSL rate during 1993 but more than 25% during 2014. The suggested acceleration and improved closure of the sea-level budget highlights the importance and urgency of mitigating climate change and formulating coastal adaption plans to mitigate the impacts of ongoing sea-level rise.


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https://sci-hub.tw/10.1038/nclimate3325
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Reply #44 - Mar 22nd, 2020 at 6:17pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2020 at 5:56pm:
you cherry picked one portion that you believe supports your denialism whilst ignoring the context of the article



Nope. Nice of you to parse the Abstract though petal. Even if you did take out the references to which they refer. You do know you can't cherry pick the data; don't you petal? It is in the article. I can point you to it. I can't make you believe what they wrote. Grin Grin Grin Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2020 at 5:56pm:
However, the accelerations observed over century and longer periods have not been clearly detected in altimeter data spanning the past two decades.



Do you understand that petal? Do you understand GIA adjustments? Can anyone correctly calculate GIA adjustment?

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 22nd, 2020 at 5:56pm:
Global Warming is not a hoax ya dickhead!!!


Where did I say any different petal? Wink

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