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Mar 5th, 2020 at 1:29pm
 
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..........A small town in outback Australia has been “robbed” of a 100-year-old world record due to apparent figure fudging by the Bureau of Meteorology.

The world’s longest heatwave was recorded in outback Western Australia in 1923/24.

Marble Bar, in between Exmouth and Broome, saw temperatures of over 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.7°C) for 160 consecutive days.

But the Bureau of Meteorology has now adjusted its records, stripping Marble Bar of the record and “cooling history”, according to Alan Jones.

Dr Jennifer Marohasy tells Alan it’s been done to suit the global warming storyline.

“It does rob Marble Bar of that heatwave record but it also generates what they want, which is a warming trend.

“If you look at the actual historical data it actually has a cooling trend but they remodel and they get a warming trend.”.........


https://www.2gb.com/outback-australian-town-robbed-of-100yo-world-record-due-to-...

I have heard of this happening in America too
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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2020 at 3:38pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 5th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
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..........A small town in outback Australia has been “robbed” of a 100-year-old world record due to apparent figure fudging by the Bureau of Meteorology.

The world’s longest heatwave was recorded in outback Western Australia in 1923/24.

Marble Bar, in between Exmouth and Broome, saw temperatures of over 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.7°C) for 160 consecutive days.

But the Bureau of Meteorology has now adjusted its records, stripping Marble Bar of the record and “cooling history”, according to Alan Jones.

Dr Jennifer Marohasy tells Alan it’s been done to suit the global warming storyline.

“It does rob Marble Bar of that heatwave record but it also generates what they want, which is a warming trend.

“If you look at the actual historical data it actually has a cooling trend but they remodel and they get a warming trend.”.........


https://www.2gb.com/outback-australian-town-robbed-of-100yo-world-record-due-to-...

I have heard of this happening in America too




You're right

and more people than they realise are aware of it too
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Reply #2 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 5:37pm
 
"While head of the Environment Unit at the Institute of Public Affairs, Marohasy compiled a backgrounder titled Myth and the Murray - measuring the real state of the river environment which was published by the Institute in December 2003. The Institute received a $40,000 donation from Murray Irrigation Limited at that time".
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Reply #3 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 6:33pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 5:37pm:
"While head of the Environment Unit at the Institute of Public Affairs, Marohasy compiled a backgrounder titled Myth and the Murray - measuring the real state of the river environment which was published by the Institute in December 2003. The Institute received a $40,000 donation from Murray Irrigation Limited at that time".



And that makes it untrue? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And of course it makes the story about Marble Bar what? Wink
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Reply #4 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 6:38pm
 
It makes the word choice of "robbed" to be suspect. BOM explains its basis for calibration during a century of physical change in equipment and so on. It gives reviews by world meteorologists.
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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 7:20pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 6:38pm:
BOM explains its basis for calibration during a century of physical change in equipment and so on.


But BoM took over meteorology for Australia in 1910 to provide quality control. It seems the quality control was suspect. Grin Grin Grin Grin

You have never been to the thriving metropolis of Marble Bar; to  have you?

It shows. It is a tiny little dusty town. It hasn't changed mush in over 100 years. No mega palaces to change the temperature regime, no trees to do the same.

You can't adjust for old readings petal, they just are. The only ch=ange may have been to digital thermometers and smaller Stevenson Screens; and that increases the later temperatures not cooling the earlier ones. IF they have to adjust the older temperatures to be consistent they would have to adjust the older temperatures up not down.
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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 7:59pm
 
A lot of our work is temperature or CO2 or O2 or Speed or Weight calibration.

It is hard to get a correct stable reading.
You have to write down what is on the meter.
You cannot change data. Data is what is on the meter.
You can make a note concerning various conditions.

If the meter says 35.5 and it should be 37, I write down 35.5 and make a note saying "XYZ may be reading low due to .............'
Then the next day I come back and retest it.

But changing the original data is falsifying data.
That is naughty.

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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2020 at 11:55pm
 
Stating that changes are made is not naughty. Economists have 'seasonally adjusted' stats. Here are the numerous causes and maths basis for BOM.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/acorn-sat/documents/BRR-032.pdf
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chimera wrote on Mar 6th, 2020 at 11:55pm:
Here are the numerous causes and maths basis for BOM.



Yes petal. So perhaps you can tell us why BoM changes values for statistical reasons. Barney can't.

Now to understand statistics you need to know that statistics is all about probability. So statistically they can say this is our best estimate of the temperature at Marble Bar. And it will be between a range of temperatures. But they can't say definitively this was the temperature at Marble Bar on such and such a date.

"The Bureau claimed these changes were necessary because the weather station at Marble Bar has been moved, the moves created discontinuities in the temperature series, and these discontinuities can only be ‘corrected’ with reference to neighbouring sites.

In fact, the weather station at Marble Bar has always been just to the southeast of the town centre, on vacant public land on the edge of the Great Sandy Desert, which covers an area of about 284,993 km². There is no documentation for any move in 1944. In 1967 the weather station was apparently moved some metres. The distance is recorded as ‘small’ in the relevant catalogue.

The Bureau nevertheless identified weather stations at Mundiwindi (about 300 kms south), Wiluna (about 700 km south) and Roebourne (about 300 km east) as neighbouring stations suitable for comparison, specifically for fixing the perceived ‘discontinuity’ in 1944 created by the apparent station move. "

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2020/03/warming-marble-bar/

So they used stations between 300 and 700km away to statistically adjust the temperature.  Too bad if any of those sites had something like a thunderstorm to influence temperatures.

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https://www.waclimate.net/round/rounded-marble-bar.html
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Reply #9 - Mar 7th, 2020 at 1:06pm
 
Have they ever falsified any original data upwards?
So the current readings appear cooler?

Or are ALL the 'changes' made downwards, so the current readings look warmer?
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Reply #10 - Mar 7th, 2020 at 1:26pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 7th, 2020 at 1:06pm:
Have they ever falsified any original data upwards?
So the current readings appear cooler?

Or are ALL the 'changes' made downwards, so the current readings look warmer?


The older ones are marked down, relatively few of the newer ones.

"Conversely, the effects of global warming are
evaluated by the Australian Bureau of
Meteorology (BOM) with a continuously evolving
procedure based on a constantly evolving data
set, where arbitrary changes of the temperatures
collected in the past is the norm rather than the
exception. This practice of arbitrarily cooling
down the past to magnify the warming has been
the subject of our past works [1-4]."

"Adjustments that cool historic temperatures have
almost doubled Australia’s rate of warming that is
otherwise mostly the artificial warming due to the
establishment of urban heat island (UHI) about
the thermometer locations. Two additional data
sets have been recently brought to the attention
of the scientific community by Gillham [5] to
support the claim that the Australian global
warming is man-made but only through
corrections by the local Bureau of Meteorology
(BOM)."

https://researchonline.jcu.edu.au/38584/1/38584%20Parker%202015.pdf
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Reply #11 - Mar 19th, 2020 at 11:24am
 
We need to have two temp readings.
One in the shade.
One out of the shade.
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 5th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
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..........A small town in outback Australia has been “robbed” of a 100-year-old world record due to apparent figure fudging by the Bureau of Meteorology.

The world’s longest heatwave was recorded in outback Western Australia in 1923/24.

Marble Bar, in between Exmouth and Broome, saw temperatures of over 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.7°C) for 160 consecutive days.

But the Bureau of Meteorology has now adjusted its records, stripping Marble Bar of the record and “cooling history”, according to Alan Jones.

Dr Jennifer Marohasy tells Alan it’s been done to suit the global warming storyline.

“It does rob Marble Bar of that heatwave record but it also generates what they want, which is a warming trend.

“If you look at the actual historical data it actually has a cooling trend but they remodel and they get a warming trend.”.........


https://www.2gb.com/outback-australian-town-robbed-of-100yo-world-record-due-to-...

I have heard of this happening in America too




You're relying on some IPA fellow telling Alan JOnes as evidence.


The bar is getting lower and lower.
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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 11:45am:
You're relying on some IPA fellow telling Alan JOnes as evidence.


So what about the published research as evidence? Doesn't that count? Wink
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Reply #14 - Mar 19th, 2020 at 12:24pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 12:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 19th, 2020 at 11:45am:
You're relying on some IPA fellow telling Alan JOnes as evidence.


So what about the published research as evidence? Doesn't that count? Wink




I'm addressing the OP. Your one piece vs the bulk can wait.
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