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How about limited herd immunity?
Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:38pm

Crazy times call for crazy ideas.

Take volunteers from the 18-30 age group, all must be fit and healthy with no underlying conditions and pass a physical.

Deliberately infect then quarantine them until they return a neg result.

When enough have been through the process, this this labor force can then be used to run essential services for a 6 week total lock down.

All volunteers will be treated as national heroes and get something like a free uni course or a stipend, whatever.

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Re: How about limited herd immunity?
Reply #1 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:47pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:38pm:

Crazy times call for crazy ideas.

Take volunteers from the 18-30 age group, all must be fit and healthy with no underlying conditions and pass a physical.

Deliberately infect then quarantine them until they return a neg result.

When enough have been through the process, this this labor force can then be used to run essential services for a 6 week total lock down.

All volunteers will be treated as national heroes and get something like a free uni course or a stipend, whatever.

Do you understand restrictions due to ethics?

There are some cases of death or serious damage caused to very healthy young individuals who've caught this virus and now have possibly permanent lung damage if they're not killed by it.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21515 ACT Gender:	Re: How about limited herd immunity? Reply #2 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:49pm I volunteer Aqua and his family to be first! Oh and his horses of course! I will pray for them all as well!
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: How about limited herd immunity? Reply #3 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:51pm As its coming up to ANZAC Day... It reminds me of commanders demanding 18 year olds run up and out of trenches into a hailstorm of Turkish bullets...
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Re: How about limited herd immunity?
Reply #4 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:52pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:38pm:

Crazy times call for crazy ideas.

Take volunteers from the 18-30 age group, all must be fit and healthy with no underlying conditions and pass a physical.

Deliberately infect then quarantine them until they return a neg result.

When enough have been through the process, this this labor force can then be used to run essential services for a 6 week total lock down.

All volunteers will be treated as national heroes and get something like a free uni course or a stipend, whatever.

Do you understand restrictions due to ethics?

There are some cases of death or serious damage caused to very healthy young individuals who've caught this virus and now have possibly permanent lung damage if they're not killed by it.

Reported death rate for under 40s is .2%.
I'd like to see the rate when you remove anyone with a pre-existing health condition.

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Re: How about limited herd immunity?
Reply #5 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:57pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:51pm:

As its coming up to ANZAC Day... It reminds me of commanders demanding 18 year olds run up and out of trenches into a hailstorm of Turkish bullets...

Under 40s, Covid is killing .2% and that's including people with an underlying condition. Running into a Turkish machine-gun kills about 39%.

The casualties of the action were devastating. Of the 600 Australian troops involved, 234 were killed and 138 were wounded.

https://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/wars-and-missions/ww1/where-australians-served/ga...

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Re: How about limited herd immunity?
Reply #6 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 4:32pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:52pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:47pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:38pm:

Crazy times call for crazy ideas.

Take volunteers from the 18-30 age group, all must be fit and healthy with no underlying conditions and pass a physical.

Deliberately infect then quarantine them until they return a neg result.

When enough have been through the process, this this labor force can then be used to run essential services for a 6 week total lock down.

All volunteers will be treated as national heroes and get something like a free uni course or a stipend, whatever.

Do you understand restrictions due to ethics?

There are some cases of death or serious damage caused to very healthy young individuals who've caught this virus and now have possibly permanent lung damage if they're not killed by it.

Reported death rate for under 40s is .2%.
I'd like to see the rate when you remove anyone with a pre-existing health condition.

Would you start with your son / daughter and/or grandkids?

They'd be exposed to a heavy viral load... Y'know to build up immunity.

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: How about limited herd immunity? Reply #7 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 4:35pm The party of 'pro life' has been exposed as the complete opposite. Also, herd immunity does not exist until 98% of the population is immune. Anything less than that simply means a slower spread but just as sure.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34430 Gender:	Re: How about limited herd immunity? Reply #8 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 4:40pm Redmond Neck wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:49pm: I volunteer Aqua and his family to be first! Oh and his horses of course! I will pray for them all as well! i'm up for it. at the heights of the hysteria surrounding the release of myxomatosis, Sir Mcfarlane Burnett publicly injected himself with myxo
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Reply #9 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 4:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 4:35pm:

The party of 'pro life' has been exposed as the complete opposite.

Also, herd immunity does not exist until 98% of the population is immune. Anything less than that simply means a slower spread but just as sure.

Did you understand what the healthy recovered people will be used for?

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Reply #10 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 4:46pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:57pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 3:51pm:

As its coming up to ANZAC Day... It reminds me of commanders demanding 18 year olds run up and out of trenches into a hailstorm of Turkish bullets...

Under 40s, Covid is killing .2% and that's including people with an underlying condition. Running into a Turkish machine-gun kills about 39%.

The casualties of the action were devastating. Of the 600 Australian troops involved, 234 were killed and 138 were wounded.

https://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/wars-and-missions/ww1/where-australians-served/ga...

check out the official stats.

not 1 death in anyone under 50 in OZ as of today

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74280 Gender:	Re: How about limited herd immunity? Reply #11 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:13pm a. Gordon going to volunteer for this stupidity b. there are cases of people having had it, recovering and later getting it again immunity might not be possible
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Reply #12 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:17pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:13pm:

a. Gordon going to volunteer for this stupidity

b. there are cases of people having had it, recovering and later getting it again

immunity might not be possible

south korea has 100 people who had it and are now getting it again. That is truly terrifying. If that is a statistically significant figure it precludes ANY POSSIBILITY of natural herd immunity and only a vaccine can do the job - which is 6-9months away at earliest and 2 years from global delivery.

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Re: How about limited herd immunity?
Reply #13 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:24pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:13pm:

a. Gordon going to volunteer for this stupidity

b. there are cases of people having had it, recovering and later getting it again

immunity might not be possible

south korea has 100 people who had it and are now getting it again. That is truly terrifying. If that is a statistically significant figure it precludes ANY POSSIBILITY of natural herd immunity and only a vaccine can do the job - which is 6-9months away at earliest and 2 years from global delivery.

it is very terrifying, but I read somewhere that the 100 that are reported to have caught it again, it can't be confirmed that they had it in the first place. I understand they weren't originally tested, they had mild symptoms and were told to isolate because they suspected they had it.

Officially, they're still trying to determine if you can get it again one way or the other.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: How about limited herd immunity?
Reply #14 - Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:36pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 11^th, 2020 at 5:13pm:

a. Gordon going to volunteer for this stupidity

b. there are cases of people having had it, recovering and later getting it again

immunity might not be possible

If no vaccine appears we're going to have to have a red hot go at burning it out and we'd need able bodied immune people to keep the joint running while we do an extended and very strict lockdown.

How would you do it?

The Korea thing doesn't sound like a huge issue.

Relapse or reinfection?

False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/concerning-development-as-recove...

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