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Question: Will you get the tracking app?
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Reply #105 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:09am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:34am:
mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:21am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:18am:
lol.


people should be far more concerned with what mark zuckerburg , jeff bezos and jack dorsey are doing to them.

those guys are ruthless and aggressive.

the machine learning, AI and algorhythms that face book use .

just one example,

facebook is now better at diagnosing manic depressive behaviour then doctors.
google is better at diagnosing it.

both can track your phone and see if you are visiting medical facilties, see if you are using certain words in your posts that indicate elevated or depressed mood. see if you are spending more on your credit card.
see if you are buying more chocalate (a subtel marker of depression in women), more alcohol ( a marker of depression in men).

and what do they do with the date.

if you are becoming manic, they send you ads for casinos
if you are becoming depressed they send you ads booze and chocolate.

they cash in on your weaknesses.


compared to them, the federal government is so,so,so,so benign



God you're full of shite.



One​ in four of us suffer from mental health problems every year, and around one third of the world's population uses Facebook. "FOMO" and "online addiction" might be thrown around as buzzwords, but the overlap between mental health and social media use is a burgeoning field of study.

The Facebook use in Affective Disord​ers (FAD) Study is currently underway in Melbourne, Australia; it's a collaboration between researchers from the Monash Alfred Psychiatry Centre and computer scientists from the School of Intelligent Systems at RMIT University. It tracks the Facebook activity and mood of participants with bipolar disorder to work out what "normal" is for them, with the hope of alerting subjects when they begin to stray from their usual patterns towards a potential relapse.



The study launched in June, and is open to anyone in Australia who has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and uses Facebook.

The thing about mental illness is that it's not like a blood test—you can't say, 'Oh, their Facebook level is 50, they must be becoming manic…'

I spoke to psychiatrist Rowan Miller, who was inspired to create the FAD study after meeting a patient similar to my friend when he was still a med student.

"We were talking about what it was like to have a mental illness as a student," he told me, "and I asked if there was any way we could have foreseen the relapse coming. And he said, 'Yes, my Facebook. For weeks, friends have been texting me asking if I'm ok because I've been on Facebook so much.'"

For people with bipolar disorder, a manic episode can involve symptoms like impaired judgement, aggression, euphoria, rapid speech, racing thoughts, and at worst breaks from reality. Coupled with a decreased need for sleep, for some people the lure of venting their thoughts on Facebook proves overwhelming. Miller recalled asking why the patient hadn't gone out and socialized offline; "He replied that if you're awake at three in the morning, and you have the computer in front of you, it's just the lowest barrier to socializing with other people."

In the study, volunteers grant access to their Facebook metadata, allowing Miller and his team to analyze the frequency of their Facebook posts but not the content. The team then develops behavior algorithms which track the rhythm of the user's regular Facebook posts, and alert them when posting frequencies show inconsistencies.

"More than half of our participants have had relapses on Facebook before," said Miller, "So we're able to train the machines to understand how their relapses occur. The thing about mental illness is that it's not like a blood test—you can't say, 'Oh, their Facebook level is 50, they must be becoming manic…' There's absolutely no standard. But we tailor the study to them."

facebook were running ads for cheap flights to Las Vegas for people with high levles of facebook mania.

if you think Zuckerburg is less dangerous then Scomo, you seriously are a fool


That is very good Aqua.
Once again, thank you very much
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Reply #106 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:14am
 
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Reply #107 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:14am
 
80% of those who posted in this poll don't want to be informed if they had been in proximity to someone who is subsequently diagnosed as having COVID-19?

Really?  Huh
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Reply #108 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 12:01pm
 
I would be inclined towards the Google/Apple Trace Together app over some version of the Singaporean app stitched together by the Government and the Signals Directorate.

It seems inevitable that The Trace Together app will receive worldwide scrutiny and as such receive scrutiny at a much greater level than could be expected of an app merely servicing the Australian population alone.

In the end whatever system the government chooses to promote, they need to be clear and transparent with all the details, if they expect a positive response from enough of the public to make this an effective tool.
They're certainly still far from that point at the moment!
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Reply #109 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 12:02pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:14am:
80% of those who posted in this poll don't want to be informed if they had been in proximity to someone who is subsequently diagnosed as having COVID-19?

Really?  Huh


polls on this forum are meaningless.
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Reply #110 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 12:05pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 12:02pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:14am:
80% of those who posted in this poll don't want to be informed if they had been in proximity to someone who is subsequently diagnosed as having COVID-19?

Really?  Huh


polls on this forum are meaningless.


Oh, I don't know ... a straw poll of internet weirdos ...  Wink
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Reply #111 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 12:08pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:14am:
80% of those who posted in this poll don't want to be informed if they had been in proximity to someone who is subsequently diagnosed as having COVID-19?

Really?  Huh

Do really trust the human instinct towards pathogenic paranoia?

There's no end to peoples' 'certainty' about where they'd got their current head cold... Someone sneezed on the bus last week... Sally in Accounts was wheezing away when I walked past her desk the other day... etc.. etc... etc...

My app rang its bell twice yesterday, but I bet its that dirty looking bloke that might be passing it on...

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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #112 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 12:12pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:14am:
80% of those who posted in this poll don't want to be informed if they had been in proximity to someone who is subsequently diagnosed as having COVID-19?

Really?  Huh


Yes really.
- It would have to be someone who actually has the app and had their phone in their possession
- being in the proximity of them doesn't necessarily mean that you have caught COVID-19

Given that not all infected people will have the app and we are already supposed to be behaving as if everyone has the virus, it will be pretty much useless for the average person.

The data it collects though will be priceless. I'm sure the government is already looking to on-sell the data.
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #113 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 12:53pm
 
I would like to know if someone I had been near to had the virus so I could get tested and take even more safety measures to protect others.

By all accounts, the app is only going to store the phone number of nearby phones where people have the app and bluetooth is turned on.

Hardly world shattering information.

However, it could be useful information to advise potential virus victims to get checked.



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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #114 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:11pm
 
Quote:
Tyrants seem to be popping up everywhere during this Covid19...

Its like they’ve been waiting for an excuse to strap on the jackboots...


mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:03am:
Que? You hear something won;t be forced on you and you hear jackboots?

Everything okay there?


Quote:
Coronavirus mobile tracking app may be mandatory if not enough people sign up, Scott Morrison says


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-mobile-tracking-app-may-be-mandatory-if-...
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #115 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:13pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:01am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:34am:
One​ in four of us suffer from mental health problems every year,


I'm guessing your the one.



for you and mothra  Wink

from the university of pennsylvania school of medicine.

the doctors are catching up with what facebooks machine learning has been doing for years.

did you know, facebooks machines are SO GOOD that they can do facial recognition at levels 100 x more accurate then the FBI's system .

you have no idea how safe this tracking is in comparison to how facebook are tracking you (and your health)

think about it, next time a teenage girl puts up a pic of herself with a "new man" she will be inundated with ads for acne cream
next time a middle aged woman does it, ads for weight loss products and gym memberships,
actually zuckerburg can probably tell from how chubby your face is or how many zits are in your most recent pic, which ads to send you.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190617175555.htm




Facebook posts better at predicting diabetes, mental health than demographic info
Date:
June 17, 2019
Source:
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
Summary:
Analyzing language shows that identifying certain groups of words significantly improves upon predicting some medical conditions in patients.
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Language in Facebook posts may help identify conditions such as diabetes, anxiety, depression and psychosis in patients, according to a study from Penn Medicine and Stony Brook University researchers. It's believed that language in posts could be indicators of disease and, with patient consent, could be monitored just like physical symptoms. This study was published in PLOS ONE.

"This work is early, but our hope is that the insights gleaned from these posts could be used to better inform patients and providers about their health," said lead author Raina Merchant, MD, MS, the director of Penn Medicine's Center for Digital Health and an associate professor of Emergency Medicine. "As social media posts are often about someone's lifestyle choices and experiences or how they're feeling, this information could provide additional information about disease management and exacerbation."

Using an automated data collection technique, the researchers analyzed the entire Facebook post history of nearly 1,000 patients who agreed to have their electronic medical record data linked to their profiles. The researchers then built three models to analyze their predictive power for the patients: one model only analyzing the Facebook post language, another that used demographics such as age and sex, and the last that combined the two datasets.

Looking into 21 different conditions, researchers found that all 21were predictable from Facebook alone. In fact, 10 of the conditions were better predicted through the use Facebook data instead of demographic information.

Some of the Facebook data that was found to be more predictive than demographic data seemed intuitive. For example, "drink" and "bottle" were shown to be more predictive of alcohol abuse. However, others weren't as easy. For example, the people that most often mentioned religious language like "God" or "pray" in their posts were 15 times more likely to have diabetes than those who used these terms the least. Additionally, words expressing hostility -- like "dumb" and some expletives -- served as indicators of drug abuse and psychoses.
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Reply #116 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:15pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:14am:
80% of those who posted in this poll don't want to be informed if they had been in proximity to someone who is subsequently diagnosed as having COVID-19?

Really?  Huh
what would be the advantage? The vast majority are asymptomatic and dont require hospitalisation.
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Reply #117 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:16pm
 
white flag accepted

Last year, many members of this research team were able to show that analysis of Facebook posts could predict a diagnosis of depression as much as three months earlier than a diagnosis in the clinic. This work builds on that study and shows that there may be potential for developing an opt-in system for patients that could analyze their social media posts and provide extra information for clinicians to refine care delivery. Merchant said that it's tough to predict how widespread such a system would be, but it "could be valuable" for patients who use social media frequently.
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Reply #118 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:18pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:13pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:01am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:34am:
One​ in four of us suffer from mental health problems every year,


I'm guessing your the one.



for you and mothra  Wink

from the university of pennsylvania school of medicine.

the doctors are catching up with what facebooks machine learning has been doing for years.

did you know, facebooks machines are SO GOOD that they can do facial recognition at levels 100 x more accurate then the FBI's system .

you have no idea how safe this tracking is in comparison to how facebook are tracking you (and your health)

think about it, next time a teenage girl puts up a pic of herself with a "new man" she will be inundated with ads for acne cream
next time a middle aged woman does it, ads for weight loss products and gym memberships,
actually zuckerburg can probably tell from how chubby your face is or how many zits are in your most recent pic, which ads to send you.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190617175555.htm




Facebook posts better at predicting diabetes, mental health than demographic info
Date:
June 17, 2019
Source:
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
Summary:
Analyzing language shows that identifying certain groups of words significantly improves upon predicting some medical conditions in patients.
Share:
   
FULL STORY
Language in Facebook posts may help identify conditions such as diabetes, anxiety, depression and psychosis in patients, according to a study from Penn Medicine and Stony Brook University researchers. It's believed that language in posts could be indicators of disease and, with patient consent, could be monitored just like physical symptoms. This study was published in PLOS ONE.

"This work is early, but our hope is that the insights gleaned from these posts could be used to better inform patients and providers about their health," said lead author Raina Merchant, MD, MS, the director of Penn Medicine's Center for Digital Health and an associate professor of Emergency Medicine. "As social media posts are often about someone's lifestyle choices and experiences or how they're feeling, this information could provide additional information about disease management and exacerbation."

Using an automated data collection technique, the researchers analyzed the entire Facebook post history of nearly 1,000 patients who agreed to have their electronic medical record data linked to their profiles. The researchers then built three models to analyze their predictive power for the patients: one model only analyzing the Facebook post language, another that used demographics such as age and sex, and the last that combined the two datasets.

Looking into 21 different conditions, researchers found that all 21were predictable from Facebook alone. In fact, 10 of the conditions were better predicted through the use Facebook data instead of demographic information.

Some of the Facebook data that was found to be more predictive than demographic data seemed intuitive. For example, "drink" and "bottle" were shown to be more predictive of alcohol abuse. However, others weren't as easy. For example, the people that most often mentioned religious language like "God" or "pray" in their posts were 15 times more likely to have diabetes than those who used these terms the least. Additionally, words expressing hostility -- like "dumb" and some expletives -- served as indicators of drug abuse and psychoses.



You claimed that facebook was better at diagnosing mentla health disorders than trained clinicians. I called bullshit.

I can't believe i actually had to ... but i did.
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Reply #119 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:21pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 1:16pm:
white flag accepted

Last year, many members of this research team were able to show that analysis of Facebook posts could predict a diagnosis of depression as much as three months earlier than a diagnosis in the clinic. This work builds on that study and shows that there may be potential for developing an opt-in system for patients that could analyze their social media posts and provide extra information for clinicians to refine care delivery. Merchant said that it's tough to predict how widespread such a system would be, but it "could be valuable" for patients who use social media frequently.



Analysis of Facebook posts to determine depression is shifting the goal posts extraordinarily.

But i don't blame you. It's all you had.
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