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Question: Will you get the tracking app?
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #90 - Apr 18th, 2020 at 11:58pm
 
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #91 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:29am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 6:26pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 3:58pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 3:38pm:
This is my understanding of how a Covid tracking app might work.

It keeps a record of the location you and others who have got that app on their phones have been for the past month or so.

If you are suspected of having covid you'll be taken to an area that had the equivalent of a PC3 room confinement.
I work in PC3 rooms. They are the real deal, it's scary. I ask where can I put things down, what can I bring in, I did training to be allowed in there. You be very careful in those areas. They are clean to surgical room standards. It costs $1000s to clean them and weeks to test them.

So, you are taken to this very sterile artificial environment. People do not go in there unless they have to. Then they are in pressurised suits.
They want to know where you have been in the past 3 weeks and who you have met.
At this stage you can give them your phone with the tacking app on it or say 'oh, I do not have that app on my phone.'

Now, the medical system has either an impossible situation on their hands OR they can download your information and ring 100's of people and test them.

You have either helped Australia or you have killed other people.


This is the medical side.


Fine for ppl that are out and about but some ppl are at home and staying at home. They dont need the app.

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Do these people ever go to woolworths or bunnings ?
Does their husband or wife?


No. Im talking abut the oldies and disabled. They prolly dont know how to work phones.

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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #92 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
And now, this...

Coronavirus app will not be forced upon Australians, Scott Morrison says

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-18/prime-minister-rules-out-making-coronavir...


Tyrants seem to be popping up everywhere during this Covid19...

Its like they’ve been waiting for an excuse to strap on the jackboots...
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Reply #93 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:03am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 18th, 2020 at 3:31pm:
And now, this...

Coronavirus app will not be forced upon Australians, Scott Morrison says

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-18/prime-minister-rules-out-making-coronavir...


Tyrants seem to be popping up everywhere during this Covid19...

Its like they’ve been waiting for an excuse to strap on the jackboots...


Que? You hear something won;t be forced on you and you hear jackboots?

Everything okay there?
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Reply #94 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:18am
 
lol.


people should be far more concerned with what mark zuckerburg , jeff bezos and jack dorsey are doing to them.

those guys are ruthless and aggressive.

the machine learning, AI and algorhythms that face book use .

just one example,

facebook is now better at diagnosing manic depressive behaviour then doctors.
google is better at diagnosing it.

both can track your phone and see if you are visiting medical facilties, see if you are using certain words in your posts that indicate elevated or depressed mood. see if you are spending more on your credit card.
see if you are buying more chocalate (a subtel marker of depression in women), more alcohol ( a marker of depression in men).

and what do they do with the date.

if you are becoming manic, they send you ads for casinos
if you are becoming depressed they send you ads booze and chocolate.

they cash in on your weaknesses.


compared to them, the federal government is so,so,so,so benign
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #95 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:21am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:18am:
lol.


people should be far more concerned with what mark zuckerburg , jeff bezos and jack dorsey are doing to them.

those guys are ruthless and aggressive.

the machine learning, AI and algorhythms that face book use .

just one example,

facebook is now better at diagnosing manic depressive behaviour then doctors.
google is better at diagnosing it.

both can track your phone and see if you are visiting medical facilties, see if you are using certain words in your posts that indicate elevated or depressed mood. see if you are spending more on your credit card.
see if you are buying more chocalate (a subtel marker of depression in women), more alcohol ( a marker of depression in men).

and what do they do with the date.

if you are becoming manic, they send you ads for casinos
if you are becoming depressed they send you ads booze and chocolate.

they cash in on your weaknesses.


compared to them, the federal government is so,so,so,so benign



God you're full of shite.
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #96 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:50am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:18am:
lol.


people should be far more concerned with what mark zuckerburg , jeff bezos and jack dorsey are doing to them.

those guys are ruthless and aggressive.

the machine learning, AI and algorhythms that face book use .

just one example,

facebook is now better at diagnosing manic depressive behaviour then doctors.
google is better at diagnosing it.

both can track your phone and see if you are visiting medical facilties, see if you are using certain words in your posts that indicate elevated or depressed mood. see if you are spending more on your credit card.
see if you are buying more chocalate (a subtel marker of depression in women), more alcohol ( a marker of depression in men).

and what do they do with the date.

if you are becoming manic, they send you ads for casinos
if you are becoming depressed they send you ads booze and chocolate.

they cash in on your weaknesses.


compared to them, the federal government is so,so,so,so benign



Hi Aqua,
you really do tell the difficult truth -
keep on posting your original ideas.
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #97 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:59am
 
Congratulations, Horse Boy. It Is The Light's disciple has moved on to you.

I;m sure you're flattered?
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #98 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:11am
 
ABC's Insiders is featuring a discussion on the App on this mornings show. It's on now.
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Re: Will you get the tracking app?
Reply #99 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:34am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:21am:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:18am:
lol.


people should be far more concerned with what mark zuckerburg , jeff bezos and jack dorsey are doing to them.

those guys are ruthless and aggressive.

the machine learning, AI and algorhythms that face book use .

just one example,

facebook is now better at diagnosing manic depressive behaviour then doctors.
google is better at diagnosing it.

both can track your phone and see if you are visiting medical facilties, see if you are using certain words in your posts that indicate elevated or depressed mood. see if you are spending more on your credit card.
see if you are buying more chocalate (a subtel marker of depression in women), more alcohol ( a marker of depression in men).

and what do they do with the date.

if you are becoming manic, they send you ads for casinos
if you are becoming depressed they send you ads booze and chocolate.

they cash in on your weaknesses.


compared to them, the federal government is so,so,so,so benign



God you're full of shite.



One​ in four of us suffer from mental health problems every year, and around one third of the world's population uses Facebook. "FOMO" and "online addiction" might be thrown around as buzzwords, but the overlap between mental health and social media use is a burgeoning field of study.

The Facebook use in Affective Disord​ers (FAD) Study is currently underway in Melbourne, Australia; it's a collaboration between researchers from the Monash Alfred Psychiatry Centre and computer scientists from the School of Intelligent Systems at RMIT University. It tracks the Facebook activity and mood of participants with bipolar disorder to work out what "normal" is for them, with the hope of alerting subjects when they begin to stray from their usual patterns towards a potential relapse.



The study launched in June, and is open to anyone in Australia who has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and uses Facebook.

The thing about mental illness is that it's not like a blood test—you can't say, 'Oh, their Facebook level is 50, they must be becoming manic…'

I spoke to psychiatrist Rowan Miller, who was inspired to create the FAD study after meeting a patient similar to my friend when he was still a med student.

"We were talking about what it was like to have a mental illness as a student," he told me, "and I asked if there was any way we could have foreseen the relapse coming. And he said, 'Yes, my Facebook. For weeks, friends have been texting me asking if I'm ok because I've been on Facebook so much.'"

For people with bipolar disorder, a manic episode can involve symptoms like impaired judgement, aggression, euphoria, rapid speech, racing thoughts, and at worst breaks from reality. Coupled with a decreased need for sleep, for some people the lure of venting their thoughts on Facebook proves overwhelming. Miller recalled asking why the patient hadn't gone out and socialized offline; "He replied that if you're awake at three in the morning, and you have the computer in front of you, it's just the lowest barrier to socializing with other people."

In the study, volunteers grant access to their Facebook metadata, allowing Miller and his team to analyze the frequency of their Facebook posts but not the content. The team then develops behavior algorithms which track the rhythm of the user's regular Facebook posts, and alert them when posting frequencies show inconsistencies.

"More than half of our participants have had relapses on Facebook before," said Miller, "So we're able to train the machines to understand how their relapses occur. The thing about mental illness is that it's not like a blood test—you can't say, 'Oh, their Facebook level is 50, they must be becoming manic…' There's absolutely no standard. But we tailor the study to them."

facebook were running ads for cheap flights to Las Vegas for people with high levles of facebook mania.

if you think Zuckerburg is less dangerous then Scomo, you seriously are a fool
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Reply #100 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:37am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:59am:
Congratulations, Horse Boy. It Is The Light's disciple has moved on to you.

I;m sure you're flattered?



actually, since all you post is personal abuse,
(along with Mr Smith and several others)
when you post personal abuse, i am flattered.
i take it as a sign i have stumbled onto something  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #101 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:46am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:34am:
if you think Zuckerburg is less dangerous then Scomo, you seriously are a fool




Blah blah blah.. didn't read it.

Read this bit though. That's not what you said though, is it.

You said that Zuckerburg was a better diagnostician of mental health issues than clinicians.

I called buillshit.

You got your dick out,. Again.
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Reply #102 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:47am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:37am:
mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 7:59am:
Congratulations, Horse Boy. It Is The Light's disciple has moved on to you.

I;m sure you're flattered?



actually, since all you post is personal abuse,
(along with Mr Smith and several others)
when you post personal abuse, i am flattered.
i take it as a sign i have stumbled onto something  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



You know what they say about small things.
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Reply #103 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 10:57am
 
We may be better off waiting for the Google Apple Trace Together app.

On the face of it, it does offer some serious privacy advantages. Taking the data out of the hands of the government, offering better personal anonymization and greater functional integration between Apple and Android platforms.

In reality Google and Apple track us already don't they, so adding slightly different functionality for a time may be preferable to opening the door to greater government tracking. 


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Built-in benefits

The Apple-Google system has some advantages over these other approaches. Because the companies control the operating systems and the phones people own, they can actually build a more private and more usable coronavirus tracing technology.

For example, Singapore’s TraceTogether app is technically similar to the Apple-Google version, using Bluetooth to monitor any contact made by people diagnosed with coronavirus. But because it is a third-party app, it has enormous disadvantages: for example, iPhone TraceTogether users must keep their phone unlocked at all times as they move in order for the system to work. That’s something Apple can easily build around and then, with Google, scale to make accessible to virtually every government on earth.

But that scale is part of the problem. If the benefit is that the two companies can use the data of 3 billion people, the drawback is that they can use the data of 3 billion people. Building contact tracing and surveillance without being creepy is not easy.

The answer to this is that the Apple-Google system will not be a monolith: its implementation will vary from country to country.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/14/999472/how-apple-and-google-are-tack...


The proposed Australian/Singaporean system ...

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Should I be worried about the privacy implications?

Always. But there isn’t as yet enough detail about how it would work in Australia to know what the implications are. Morrison said he was pushing for greater privacy protections than the Singapore model.

“The reason we are not quite ready yet is we are still working through ensuring that it meets the privacy protections, which are robust and up to a standard that we believe is necessary for the Australian context, and that is what the attorney general is working on right now,” he said.

Privacy experts have warned the app needs to be more decentralised, so that the central servers that store the IDs do not become honeypots for potential hackers.

Government services minister Stuart Robert said the app was going through a privacy impact assessment with the help of the Australian Cyber Security Centre.

When pressed for more detail, his office declined to comment.

Are there other options?

One possibility that could even be integrated into the Trace Together app is the proposal by Apple and Google.

That version works like the TraceTogether app, but with more randomised IDs that change every 15 minutes and, unlike TraceTogether, it does not require you to provide your mobile phone number.

When a person who has tested positive for coronavirus consents to upload the last 14 days of contacts, the health department can then alert those contacts via the app itself that they should get tested.

The IDs are deleted from the server after 14 days.

Apple and Google would retain the ability to disable the tech should governments across the world try to alter the purpose of the app.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/australias-coronavirus-contact-tra...


For a highly detailed look at Goggle and Apple's proposal check out the wired article and the questions that it answers ...

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Does Covid-19 Contact Tracing Pose a Privacy Risk? Your Questions, Answered
Apple and Google's Bluetooth-based system isn't perfect. But many of the biggest concerns have solutions.

Can It Be Used to Track People?

Will the Tech Be Used for Ads?

Will Contact-Tracing Apps Also Ask for Location Data?

Can the App Itself Identify Covid-19 Patients?

What About False Positives?

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-strengths-weaknesses/


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Reply #104 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 11:01am
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 9:34am:
One​ in four of us suffer from mental health problems every year,


I'm guessing your the one.
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