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Reply #60 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:59pm
 
The public health system has always rationed resources. There are no "unlimited" resources and there never has been. As an example the family of a person who is in ICU on life support will be asked at some stage if there is no improvement if they wish the life support to be turned off, sometimes they are told it will be turned off.  To think there is unlimited health resources is quite childishly naive thinking and bears no relation to real life.
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Reply #61 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:30pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:25pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:17pm:
North, I meant the opposite where there is no price too great.


Ahh, OK... As you were!

Yep... No one gets out alive... So live well while you can...


I can think of hundreds od examples where risk at a lower price is tolerated when it could be eliminated with $ but I cant think of one which goes the othet way

Anyone?



heres something to consider gordon.

it would be foolish to send any ventilators to africa to combat this.

gates has demonstrated with good science that it takes 300 dollars worth of msoquito netting to save one life.

and you cant supply a ventilator for anything like that.

this book is a good source of economic reasoning.

" How to Spend $50 Billion to Make the World a Better Place" by bjorn lomberg


Exactly and developing countries are an excellent example to prove your point. Norway, Sweden, Switzerland all have roads far safer than Australia and we have far safer roads than India.

It would be foolish for India to upgrade its roads to Norwegian standards when most of their population don't have a flushing toilet.
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Reply #62 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:01pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:51pm:
It's not unlimited and there would always be a bean counter up the back saying when enough is enough. It may seem unlimited, but if it were, the health system would be bankrupted but a small % of cases.

Hence Brompton mixture... And I think if you ask around... Many terminally ill patients 'die peacefully in their sleep'...
Correct.  Medical profession has always done this.
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Reply #63 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm
 
rhino wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
The public health system has always rationed resources. There are no "unlimited" resources and there never has been. As an example the family of a person who is in ICU on life support will be asked at some stage if there is no improvement if they wish the life support to be turned off, sometimes they are told it will be turned off.  To think there is unlimited health resources is quite childishly naive thinking and bears no relation to real life.


Even a kid with cancer will won't get the works. There will always be an experimental therapy at Mayo or Johns Hopkins which won't be funded publicly.
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Reply #64 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52pm:
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how much is to much to save your kids horse boy?


What does that have to do with the topic?

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Reply #65 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:07pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:51pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:42pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:32pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:25pm:
mothra wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 3:11pm:
Just how many threads do you need to spew your noxious thought bubbles?

All day, every day.

I sear, you're loving this. All of this attention and a captive audience.


Mothra, one example where in society where no price is too much to save a a human life



Any clue as to why you're singling me out?

To answer your question though, if the positive reviews are high enough, massive amounts will be spent. It's all about PR.

Hpw much was spent to free a whale or two from ice sheets those years ago?

What the market wants, the market will have.

Conversely, it is my this principle that people are deemed disposable. It's how you deem people disposable, right Gordy?



You're the one who attacked the OP and I meant examples in everyday practical society.

If you're correct why do level rail crossings exist?



Well an obvious example would be our health care system. Unlimited funds will be spent on a person to keep them alive in our society. Some medications may incur out of pocket expenses but for a bed, care, medical attention etc, you do pretty well even as a public patient in our society.

Not so much elsewhere. But we as individuals do very well.


It's not unlimited and there would always be a bean counter up the back saying when enough is enough. It may seem unlimited, but if it were, the health system would be bankrupted but a small % of cases.



usually i would imagine there is an ethics committee who would have criteria on who qaulifies for a certain super expensive drug.

one just got listed for cystic fibrosis that costs around 100k a year.

but there will always be ethical dilemas.

say you have a last line antibioitc and you dont want the bugs to become resistant to it.
a hospital doctor who wants to use it has to go to the antibioitc steward and present the case. (this happens for a drug called piptaz in qld hospitals)

if an alternative antibiotic that is not as good can be used, the docter will be forced to use the older antibiotic, (even though the individual patient would be safer with the super drug) because they want to save the super drug for when its really needed and only for certain bugs.

but what if you have a palliative care patient with 2 weeks to live who gets that super bug?
the hospital ethics department and the treating doctors then sit down and decide if it can be used.

bearing in mind, the patient will die 2 weeks earlier without it but if it is used too much, it wont be available for other patients in the future .

very very difficult decisions.
who really decides.
say the patient was likely to last 6 months.
what then
its all very arbitary
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Re: You Cant Put a Price on a Human Life.
Reply #66 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:09pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52pm:
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Re: You Cant Put a Price on a Human Life.


how much is to much to save your kids horse boy?


What does that have to do with the topic?




everything.

If he's claiming there is a price on life, i want to know what the price is on his kids life

or does the rule only apply to those you don't know?
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Reply #67 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:10pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:00pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:44pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:30pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:25pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 4:17pm:
North, I meant the opposite where there is no price too great.


Ahh, OK... As you were!

Yep... No one gets out alive... So live well while you can...


I can think of hundreds od examples where risk at a lower price is tolerated when it could be eliminated with $ but I cant think of one which goes the othet way

Anyone?



heres something to consider gordon.

it would be foolish to send any ventilators to africa to combat this.

gates has demonstrated with good science that it takes 300 dollars worth of msoquito netting to save one life.

and you cant supply a ventilator for anything like that.

this book is a good source of economic reasoning.

" How to Spend $50 Billion to Make the World a Better Place" by bjorn lomberg


Exactly and developing countries are an excellent example to prove your point. Norway, Sweden, Switzerland all have roads far safer than Australia and we have far safer roads than India.

It would be foolish for India to upgrade its roads to Norwegian standards when most of their population don't have a flushing toilet.



good point
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Reply #68 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:14pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
The public health system has always rationed resources. There are no "unlimited" resources and there never has been. As an example the family of a person who is in ICU on life support will be asked at some stage if there is no improvement if they wish the life support to be turned off, sometimes they are told it will be turned off.  To think there is unlimited health resources is quite childishly naive thinking and bears no relation to real life.


Even a kid with cancer will won't get the works. There will always be an experimental therapy at Mayo or Johns Hopkins which won't be funded publicly.
I think people like Mothra must get the idea of unlimited health resources from TV programs. They are due for a shock if they or their family members are ever in this position.
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Reply #69 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:15pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52pm:
Quote:
Re: You Cant Put a Price on a Human Life.


how much is to much to save your kids horse boy?


What does that have to do with the topic?




everything.

If he's claiming there is a price on life, i want to know what the price is on his kids life

or does the rule only apply to those you don't know?


The adults are talking about a societal response not within a family, now back to the card table with the fairy bread ya dunce.
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Reply #70 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:18pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52pm:
Quote:
Re: You Cant Put a Price on a Human Life.


how much is to much to save your kids horse boy?


What does that have to do with the topic?




everything.

If he's claiming there is a price on life, i want to know what the price is on his kids life

or does the rule only apply to those you don't know?


The adults are talking about a societal response not within a family, now back to the card table with the fairy bread ya dunce.


No one asked you ya farkwit.

The question was directed to horseboy. Now run along and go find some more toilet paper to hoard.
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Reply #71 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:18pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:15pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52pm:
Quote:
Re: You Cant Put a Price on a Human Life.


how much is to much to save your kids horse boy?


What does that have to do with the topic?




everything.

If he's claiming there is a price on life, i want to know what the price is on his kids life

or does the rule only apply to those you don't know?


The adults are talking about a societal response not within a family, now back to the card table with the fairy bread ya dunce.


No one asked you ya farkwit.

The question was directed to horseboy. Now run along and go find some more toilet paper to hoard.


Are you hall monitor in Aussie's absence, telling people which posts they may and may not reply to?

Your question is puerile, but what we expect from a dullard like you.

Now back to the kids table.
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Reply #72 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:33pm
 


I guess since Drs have to weigh up the merets of people when allocating scarce medical care there must be a pricing mechanism
Like smokers and alcoholics are way down the list when allocating scarce donated organs
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Reply #73 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:34pm
 
rhino wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
rhino wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:59pm:
The public health system has always rationed resources. There are no "unlimited" resources and there never has been. As an example the family of a person who is in ICU on life support will be asked at some stage if there is no improvement if they wish the life support to be turned off, sometimes they are told it will be turned off.  To think there is unlimited health resources is quite childishly naive thinking and bears no relation to real life.


Even a kid with cancer will won't get the works. There will always be an experimental therapy at Mayo or Johns Hopkins which won't be funded publicly.
I think people like Mothra must get the idea of unlimited health resources from TV programs. They are due for a shock if they or their family members are ever in this position.

One of our autistics at work was having anxiety attacks over being convinced he'd catch the virus... He would tremble as he asked to be approved to work from home. Of course, we let him leave...

I think autistics, naturally, fear death like the rest of us... They just overreact at the thought of it and imagine that infinite resources would and should be expended to keep them alive...

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Reply #74 - Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:37pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 6:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 19th, 2020 at 5:52pm:
Quote:
Re: You Cant Put a Price on a Human Life.


how much is to much to save your kids horse boy?


What does that have to do with the topic?




everything.

If he's claiming there is a price on life, i want to know what the price is on his kids life

or does the rule only apply to those you don't know?


What's interesting is that you think you can prove a point with this.
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