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Reply #255 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 10:06am
 
Anyhow FD, if for whatever reason you do ever feel inclined to address what I actually said, I suggest this little paragraph:

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What you have never once done in this entire discussion, is explain exactly how you get "lying" and "making up stats" from the perfectly reasonable gesture of giving halal certifiers the benefit of the doubt and asserting, in the absense of any shred of evidence, that they send precisely zero amount of money to terrorists. Not once. And why is that? Obviously because you know yourself its complete bs. You know it because you can't even address, let alone explain, how the same bs claim applies (or doesn't apply) in other situations - like your spear fishing club or ozpolitic. You obviously know how insanely ridiculous it is to say that its "lying" and "making up stats" to state that zero percent of ozpolitic ad revenues is sent to neo-nazi terrorists - when there is no shred of evidence that it happens. So of course you do your favourite tapdancing routine whenever I bring it up.
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Just focus on the first sentence if the rest is a bit too much for you.
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Reply #256 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 10:15am
 
I see some posts are suddenly bombarded with giant ads in the middle of them.

How much of that revenue is financing far-right terrorism FD?

Are you going to flip your lid and screech that I'm "lying" and "making up stats" if I say that the answer is 0%?
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Reply #257 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 4:45pm
 
List of Killings in the Name of Islam:

Last 30 Days: During this time period, there were 121 Islamic attacks in 20 countries, in which 577 people were killed and 399 injured.

Jihad Report JULY / 04 / 2020 - JULY / 10 / 2020: Attacks 37 - Killed 209 - Injured 199 - Suicide Blasts 2 - Countries 10.

So far for 2020: During this time period, there were 1032 Islamic attacks in 40 countries, in which 5271 people were killed and 4001 injured.

There has been over 37261 deadly muslim terrorist attacks since September 2001


Now I'd go so far as to say muslims slaughter and wound more people in a week that the entire number for White, right wing terrorism attacks since September 2001.

I'd also go so far as to say that funding would be proportionally equal to the actual number of attacks.

I'd would also go so far as to say that muslims spend 100s of 1000s of dollars on terrorism, whereas right wing terrorism would be in the very few thousand of dollars on terrorism, with no suicide bombing terrorism at all in right wing terrorism.

So in light of the fact that terrorism is almost a national sport in islamic circles, while right wing terrorism is almost non existent, I would love to be as sure of winning the powerball tonight as I am that it's a 99.99999999999% certainty that freedivers website spend zero dollars on right wing terrorism.
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Reply #258 - Jul 16th, 2020 at 6:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 10:06am:
Anyhow FD, if for whatever reason you do ever feel inclined to address what I actually said


You actually said that 0% of halal fees go to terrorists. You actually admitted this was a lie. You actually attempted to justify your lie by inventing a new meaning of innocent until proven guilty.

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1. 0% of halal fees going to terrorists is not is not "absurd" or a "lie". It is the truth, when no evidence suggesting otherwise exists


This is a logical fallacy Gandalf. Do you really need me to explain it to you?

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2. the above claim is exactly the same as saying innocent until proven guilty. Exactly.


No it isn't. It is saying two different things with a bunch of different words.
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Reply #259 - Jul 17th, 2020 at 10:12am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
You actually admitted this was a lie.


lol no I didn't. Are you really this clueless, or do you actually go out of your way to think up the most absurd thing imaginable to say?

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
You actually attempted to justify your lie by inventing a new meaning of innocent until proven guilty.


saying someone(s) illegally sends anything other than 0% of their money towards criminals is literally saying they are guilty of a crime - agreed? Yes or no FD.

So the only way of asserting their innocence in this particular crime is to say they send 0% - agree? Yes or no.

Thus if we were to apply the principle of the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, asserting that halal certifiers illegally send 0% of their fees to terrorists in the absense of any evidence to the contrary - is perfectly consistent with this principle. Its actually an exceedingly simple proposition FD, try and get your head around it if you can. If you still disagree, I look forward to an actual coherent rebuttle as to why you disagree - rather than just the same "its wrong because its wrong" broken record that you've been chirping away inanely this entire thread.

freediver wrote on Jul 16th, 2020 at 6:01pm:
This is a logical fallacy Gandalf. Do you really need me to explain it to you?


Oh yes, really I do. Please. "Explain it to me" is basically what I've been begging you to do this entire thread FD.

"Explain to me" why this is such an "absurd lie" but asserting that 0% of your ad revenues are sent to far right terrorists is (presumably) not. I've only asked that one about a dozen times now.
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Reply #260 - Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:16pm
 
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1. 0% of halal fees going to terrorists is not is not "absurd" or a "lie". It is the truth, when no evidence suggesting otherwise exists


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence Gandalf.

Why do Muslims think it is acceptable to just make up any old lie they feel like and use their own ignorance to turn it into truth?
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Reply #261 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 12:30am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:16pm:
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1. 0% of halal fees going to terrorists is not is not "absurd" or a "lie". It is the truth, when no evidence suggesting otherwise exists


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence Gandalf.

Why do Muslims think it is acceptable to just make up any old lie they feel like and use their own ignorance to turn it into truth?


FD's quoting someone saying something very sinister here, G. Can you quote who said 1.0% of "halal fees" go to terrorists?

And can you say why they added the .0?
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Reply #262 - Jul 18th, 2020 at 1:15pm
 
We all know 100%

Fact 1/. muslims are the worlds' greatest terrorist threat, it could almost be called a national sport for muzzies.

Fact 2/. The qur'an preaches human rights atrocities are to be committed by muslims against the non believer.

Fact 3/. muslims are the worlds' almost insurmountable refugee problem, due to their incessant blood letting.

Now they're trying to tell us that while the muslims certainly use a huge amount of their income to fund their terrorism and religious blood letting, they would never use any halal money for these terrorist activities?????????

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The troll under the railway bridge is on his piano ready to go.

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Reply #263 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 11:34am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 17th, 2020 at 7:16pm:
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1. 0% of halal fees going to terrorists is not is not "absurd" or a "lie". It is the truth, when no evidence suggesting otherwise exists


Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence Gandalf.


You do not need evidence of absense when presuming innocence FD. Thats where you fail on this one.

But of course I've pointed this out to you before - you know the last time you tried this same brainless logical fallacy.

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Why do Muslims think it is acceptable to just make up any old lie they feel like and use their own ignorance to turn it into truth?


Oh I know FD, and there's other ghastly examples too you know - oooh lets see - here's one: "zero percent of ozpolitic's ad revenue is illegally sent to far right terrorists". How dare I peddle such lies eh FD? So.... so.... muslim of me.
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Reply #264 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 11:42am
 
moses wrote on Jul 18th, 2020 at 1:15pm:
Now they're trying to tell us that while the muslims certainly use a huge amount of their income to fund their terrorism and religious blood letting, they would never use any halal money for these terrorist activities?????????


Maybe they do moses, but is asking for even a shred of evidence too much to ask? Why do you continually defend and run interference for liars moses?

What fvvcked up dystpopia have we arrived at when daring to suggest that in the absense of any shred of evidence to the contrary, halal certifiers send zero percent of their income to terrorists - is labelled as "lies" and "idiotic"?
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Reply #265 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 2:39pm
 
Gandi I don't need to be bitten by a taipan, to know it's deadly.

I don't need to be blown up by a muslim, to know that muslim terrorists are the worlds greatest terrorist threat.

I don't need to read the bank statements, to know that muslims spend more money than anybody else on terrorism.

If we take it as a given that funding for terrorism is equivalent to the amount of terrorism generated.

It is also a given that muslims commit acts of terrorism, thousands of times more than other non muslim types of terrorism.

Given that islamic terrorism is permeated throughout the entire global muslim population, all receiving funding from thousands of hidden sponsors globally.

It is the depths of stupidity to say that absolutely 100%, there is no way any halal fees go towards islamic terrorism.

Do you want the troll to play his ditty for you gandi?

I would like to be as sure of winning the lotto, as I am that on the grounds of probability, part of halal fees go towards funding global islamic terrorism.

You will always be yoked to islamic terrorism gandi, until you find the courage to question and purge the many verses of evil in your qur'an.

But then you can't do that can you?

We all know to question the qur'an and remove the satanical verses of evil, will while stopping islamic human rights atrocities, also destroy islam in a heartbeat (no more infallible perfect words of allah, no more qur'an, no more islam).

Oh well enjoy it while you can gandi, one day the world will wake up and turn on you.
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Reply #266 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 3:07pm
 
Just your usual bullshit moses.

The issue here is exceedingly simple. Someone here thinks its outrageous to assume a certain group of people are innocent until proven guilty. You go along with that and run interference for them - rather than being honest and saying "hang on a minute - sure muslims suck, and they have a proven track record of sucking - but this is just being dishonest".

You and FD are no better than the mendacious muslims you pretend to take a moral stance against. And worse for you, you don't even understand that your excusing of lying and running interference for liars just discredits your (often legitimate) criticism of muslims and Islam.
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Reply #267 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 3:12pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 21st, 2020 at 2:39pm:
I don't need to read the bank statements, to know that muslims spend more money than anybody else on terrorism.


You do however need to read the bank statements of halal certifiers to know whether or not they are sending money to terrorists.
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Reply #268 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 4:14pm
 
muslims commit thousands of times more human rights atrocities, than any other group of people world wide.

Therefore logic decrees that muslims spend thousands of times more money on terrorism, than any other group of people world wide.

Buuuutttt they definitely will never ever ever ever spend any halal money on islamic terrorism.


Yeah right.

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Reply #269 - Jul 21st, 2020 at 4:40pm
 
pathetic non-response - as always moses.

As you were.
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