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Reply #345 - Aug 31^st, 2020 at 2:55pm

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Between 2012 and 2016, Australian authorities recorded 28 instances of Suspicious Matter Reporting (SMR) [36] in relation to terrorism financing with links to NPOs, totalling A$5.6 million. [37] This is a relatively small figure compared to the billions of dollars given in charitable donations annually. Individual donations to charities and NPOs in Australia totalled A$12.5 billion in 2015/16. [38] However, even relatively small amounts of terrorist financing can have devastating consequences. According to a 2012 Pentagon study, a remote-controlled bomb could be constructed in Afghanistan for around US$400 and a suicide vest for US$1200. [39] The Westgate Mall attack in Nairobi was reportedly carried out for less than US$5000 and the materials used in the Boston Marathon bombs were purchased for around US$500. [40]

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96973	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #346 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 12:05am What's the matter, FD? Cat got your tongue?
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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 50137 Gender:	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #347 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:09am A Terrorist has just been freed after 13 years of Prison. His 13 years rehabilitation in a Christian Gaol will prevent him from any further Moslem Terrorism activity. Guarranteed.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107625 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #348 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:00am Jasin wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:09am: A Terrorist has just been freed after 13 years of Prison. His 13 years rehabilitation in a Christian Gaol will prevent him from any further Moslem Terrorism activity. Guaranteed. The only sure way to stop them is to hang em and hang em high as a deterrent to others.
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Reply #349 - Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:47am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 10:00am:

Jasin wrote on Sep 1^st, 2020 at 9:09am:

A Terrorist has just been freed after 13 years of Prison.
His 13 years rehabilitation in a Christian Gaol will prevent him from any further Moslem Terrorism activity. Guaranteed.

Not ban halal certification? According to the old boy, that's the financial source.

The only sure way to stop them is to hang em and hang em high
as a deterrent to others.

The evidence is 0%, but someone's added a 10 in there to make it a hundred.

FD's satisfied with the accounting methodology, he uses the same tool for his board donations. 100% goes to fund the freedom of decent white people everywhere.

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Reply #350 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 10:16am

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 6:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 5:48pm:

Let's try one question at a time.

I tried that FD. Repeatedly. And still you ran away from all my questions. Every time.

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Does Islam compel you to automatically assume the best about your fellow Muslims?

no.

Now shall I start posting all my actual questions that you've been running away from this whole thread one at a time like a grinning idiot?

Well just for fun, here's another question for you to run away from:

When I assert that ozpolitic revenues, FD's spear fishing club's funds and halal certifier's fees alike send zero funds to terrorists when there is no shred of evidence presented to me indicating otherwse - why is that somehow only about Islam compelling me to assume the best about my fellow muslims?

You are not muslim. And neither is your spear fishing club I'm guessing.

Doesn't your pathetic little slur become a little nonsensical when I actually apply the same principle consistently across the board - muslim and non-muslim?

Why is it a slur?

I think one of the previous Muslims we had here said that Islam does compel him to assume the best of his fellow Muslims. He didn't think it was a slur.

What is this principle you are applying?

You are sluring me by turning it into a muslim thing, when the issue here has nothing to do with muslims or Islam. But slur or not, I am yet to get a straight answer - how is "protecting" you - an avowed non-musilm - in exactly the same way as I am "protecting" halal certifiers (by daring to assert that neither are criminals until proven otherwise) - part of this alleged code of muslims being compelled to assume the best of his fellow muslims?

You have evaded this perfectly legitimate comparison this entire thread.

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Reply #351 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 10:34am

Frank wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 10:06pm:

UiKarnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 9:51pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 6:17pm:

FtKarnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 5:32pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 2:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2020 at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 12:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 27^th, 2020 at 12:16pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2020 at 9:33pm:

There is no evidence that Muslims have processes to bar halal certification income from being chanelled to jihad.

He's got you there, G.

FD? G's not allowed to say 0% of evidence, but the the old boy claims 0% of non evidence. Can we count that as 100% proof of evidence?

1.Muslims fund jihad.
2. Muslims fund jihad in clandestine/ illegal ways.
3. Many Muslim charities are fronts for jihadi funding.
4. Muslim charity IS jihad.
5. There is no evidence that Muslims have processes to bar halal certification income from being chanelled to jihad.
THEREFORE:
Some unknown proportion of halal certification, as of muslim charity funds, IS funding terrorism, aka jihad. Jihad in kuffar lands IS terrorism.

And yes, the old boy studied ethics at the prestigious University of Balogney.

Superior culture, innit.

It is.

You are not refuting my points, PB. No can do? Go on, 10 rupee in it for you.

You haven't made a point to refute, you eminent graduate of the prestigious University of Balogney you.

The clearest thing you've said here is that your idiotic preening is superior to facts and evidence.

We'll leave that one to FD.

FD? Do you concur? Or would you prefer to wait for G to confess that he's forced to defend his fellow Muselman?

I have made 6 points, you refuted none of them. I even numbered 5 of them. You no can see? Wanked yourself blind already?

Your 6 points can be summarised thus:

5. There is no evidence that Muslims have processes to bar halal certification income from being chanelled to jihad.

They can be rebutted with the resounding assertion that there is no evidence to suggest that they are. G, your superior, has already pointed this out.

Now, if you'll excuse moi, I have to go have a wank. Will that be all?

So my 6 points are 1 point.
No wonder that your only response is to rush off to fap, and to hell with the 10 rupees.

I would be a bit more generous and expand it to 3 points:

1. terrorist funding comes from muslims (at least this is true)
2. muslims are dodgy and sneaky
THEREFORE
3. halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their fees to terrorists.

All of which rolls into the one and only point that is actually relevant here:

1. I have no evidence whatsoever that any halal fees goes to terrorists.

So you could have saved yourself a lot of keystrokes by simply saying this.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 48608 Gender:	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #352 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 12:45pm Don't dodge point 4. Important. 4. Muslim charity IS jihad.
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Reply #353 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 1:49pm

muslims cut the clitoris out of little girls, muslims rape little girls with forced child marriage, muslims are the worlds' greatest terrorist threat, muslims have carried out over 35000 terrorist attacks since September 11 2001, muslims kill people on a daily basis around the globe, muslims are responsible for the suicide jihadists etc. etc..

We all know that muslims would be very hypocritical and surreptitious when it comes to funding terrorism.

Bbuuttt there is one thing you can all rely on: muslims would never ever, under any circumstances, use halal fees to fund terrorism.

And a one two three:

pigs are going to fly tomorrow

cows are gunna jump over the moon

dishes will run away with all the spoons

the sun will rise in the west

cos allah knows best

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Reply #354 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 5:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 10:16am:

freediver wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 6:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 20^th, 2020 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2020 at 5:48pm:

Let's try one question at a time.

I tried that FD. Repeatedly. And still you ran away from all my questions. Every time.

Quote:

Does Islam compel you to automatically assume the best about your fellow Muslims?

no.

Now shall I start posting all my actual questions that you've been running away from this whole thread one at a time like a grinning idiot?

Well just for fun, here's another question for you to run away from:

When I assert that ozpolitic revenues, FD's spear fishing club's funds and halal certifier's fees alike send zero funds to terrorists when there is no shred of evidence presented to me indicating otherwse - why is that somehow only about Islam compelling me to assume the best about my fellow muslims?

You are not muslim. And neither is your spear fishing club I'm guessing.

Doesn't your pathetic little slur become a little nonsensical when I actually apply the same principle consistently across the board - muslim and non-muslim?

Why is it a slur?

I think one of the previous Muslims we had here said that Islam does compel him to assume the best of his fellow Muslims. He didn't think it was a slur.

What is this principle you are applying?

You are sluring me by turning it into a muslim thing, when the issue here has nothing to do with muslims or Islam. But slur or not, I am yet to get a straight answer - how is "protecting" you - an avowed non-musilm - in exactly the same way as I am "protecting" halal certifiers (by daring to assert that neither are criminals until proven otherwise) - part of this alleged code of muslims being compelled to assume the best of his fellow muslims?

You have evaded this perfectly legitimate comparison this entire thread.

So Muslims using this money to fund Islamic terrorism has nothing to do with Muslims or Islam, and your feelings are getting hurt?

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Reply #355 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:10pm

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 5:36pm:

So Muslims using this money to fund Islamic terrorism....

Gee FD, you almost state it as if its an unquestioned fact. Do you see how this could be a problem?

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 5:36pm:

and your feelings are getting hurt?

The only thing hurting my feelings is your endless evasion of my actual point. How is stating that you send zero amount of ozpolitic ad revenue to terrorists part of this alleged code of mine to assume the best of my fellow muslims? You haven't said FD.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #356 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:17pm Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 12:45pm: Don't dodge point 4. Important. 4. Muslim charity IS jihad. Yes, and everyone knows jihad can only ever mean terrorism. Good job Frank, you sure got me there, case closed I guess
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Reply #357 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 5:36pm:

So Muslims using this money to fund Islamic terrorism....

Gee FD, you almost state it as if its an unquestioned fact. Do you see how this could be a problem?

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 5:36pm:

and your feelings are getting hurt?

The only thing hurting my feelings is your endless evasion of my actual point. How is stating that you send zero amount of ozpolitic ad revenue to terrorists part of this alleged code of mine to assume the best of my fellow muslims? You haven't said FD.

I am still trying to figure out what this code is Gandalf. But you are being evasive. And Muslim. At the same time.

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Reply #358 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:53pm

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:25pm:

I am still trying to figure out what this code is Gandalf.

Jesus, I literally spelled it out for you:

freediver wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:25pm:

this alleged code of mine to assume the best of my fellow muslims?

Its the code you made up, and are attempting to slur me with it - in a lame effort to evade addressing my actual point. Apparently Abu said it once, so obviously in FD world it applies to every other muslim.

Anyway, back to the actual question for you to evade for the upteenth time: how is asserting that you are innocent of sending any of your ozpolitic revenues to terrorists "assuming the best of my fellow muslims"?

I'm not sure how you are going to evade this time FD - surely your "I'll pretend to be a blathering imbecile who can't speak English" routine - has run its course by now - no?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #359 - Sep 14^th, 2020 at 7:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 6:17pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2020 at 12:45pm:

Don't dodge point 4. Important.

4. Muslim charity IS jihad.

Yes, and everyone knows jihad can only ever mean terrorism. Good job Frank, you sure got me there, case closed I guess Roll Eyes

Don't try to be slippery with me, old Mohammedan convert.

All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.

You know, Greek philosophy all men are mprtal, Socarates is is mortal - all that.

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