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Reply #360 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.


You've lost me Frank.

Now you are saying not all charities are terrorists. How does that validate your assertion that halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their money to terrorists? Haven't you just opened up the possibility that they don't?
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Reply #361 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 3:24pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.


You've lost me Frank.

Now you are saying not all charities are terrorists. How does that validate your assertion that halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their money to terrorists? Haven't you just opened up the possibility that they don't?


Not at all. That would be 0%, and as FD and the old boy claim, would be a devious Muslim lie.

If the old boy says that, not only is he telling a barefaced porkie, he's repeating a devious Muslim lie, which is akin to broadcasting Musel propaganda and is thus an act of terrorism.

That would make the old boy a follower of Islam and therefore, as FD says, compelled to support his fellow Muslim.

Ipso facto, the old boy would have to agree with you. Socrates is mortal, all that: there is no evidence of halal funds being sent to terrorists.

So it's settled. Now we can ask FD a question.

FD, do you...

Oh. I've forgotten what it was. G?
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Reply #362 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 3:48pm
 
Oh dearie dearie me, tsk tsk, Y--A--W--N, what is all the fuss and bother?

muslims cut the clitoris out of little girls, muslims rape little girls with forced child marriage, muslims are the worlds' greatest terrorist threat, muslims have carried out over 37000 deadly terrorist attacks since September 11 2001, muslims rape, torture and kill people on a daily basis around the globe, muslims are responsible for the suicide jihadists etc. etc..

We all know that muslims would be very hypocritical and surreptitious when it comes to funding terrorism.

Buuttt there is one thing you can all rely on: muslims would never ever, under any circumstances, use halal fees to fund terrorism.

The troll under the railway bridge is thumping away on his portable piano.

Come on all together now, for the good ole moon god allah:

allahu akbar

... pigs are going to fly tomorrow...

...cows are gunna jump over the moon ...

...dishes will run away with all the spoons...

...the sun will rise in the west...

...cos allah knows best ...
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Reply #363 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 5:22pm
 
There you go, G. Moses has posted cold, hard proof.

Socrates is mortal, no?
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Reply #364 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 6:35pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.


You've lost me Frank.

Now you are saying not all charities are terrorists. How does that validate your assertion that halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their money to terrorists? Haven't you just opened up the possibility that they don't?



Do kosher certification bodies send money to Jewish causes? Of course, naturally. The only difference is that Jewish causes are not illegal, like Islamic terrorism is.

Not to mention that you, a Muslim, don't think that Muslims 'fighting back' is terrorism. Paying Palestinian 'martyrs' families come under terrorism funding? Yes.

Foreign aid to the PA is funding terrorism, why wouldn't halal certification?  So if any money from hahal certification is sent to the Palestinian Authority, it is money funding terrorism.

And the PA is not the only shady outfit saddling the borders of legitimacy and terrorist organisation.


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Reply #365 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 6:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 6:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.


You've lost me Frank.

Now you are saying not all charities are terrorists. How does that validate your assertion that halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their money to terrorists? Haven't you just opened up the possibility that they don't?



Do kosher certification bodies send money to Jewish causes? Of course, naturally. The only difference is that Jewish causes are not illegal, like Islamic terrorism is.

Not to mention that you, a Muslim, don't think that Muslims 'fighting back' is terrorism. Paying Palestinian 'martyrs' families come under terrorism funding? Yes.

Foreign aid to the PA is funding terrorism, why wouldn't halal certification?  So if any money from hahal certification is sent to the Palestinian Authority, it is money funding terrorism.

And the PA is not the only shady outfit saddling the borders of legitimacy and terrorist organisation.




He's got you there, G. Socrates is mortal, innit.

100%.
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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #366 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:40am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 6:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.


You've lost me Frank.

Now you are saying not all charities are terrorists. How does that validate your assertion that halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their money to terrorists? Haven't you just opened up the possibility that they don't?



Do kosher certification bodies send money to Jewish causes? Of course, naturally. The only difference is that Jewish causes are not illegal, like Islamic terrorism is.

Not to mention that you, a Muslim, don't think that Muslims 'fighting back' is terrorism. Paying Palestinian 'martyrs' families come under terrorism funding? Yes.

Foreign aid to the PA is funding terrorism, why wouldn't halal certification?  So if any money from hahal certification is sent to the Palestinian Authority, it is money funding terrorism.

And the PA is not the only shady outfit saddling the borders of legitimacy and terrorist organisation.




In your narrow, prejudicial mind I suppose this is perfectly logical.

It can only be achieved by assuming that 100% of muslims not only have sinister intentions, but fully intend to actively engage in real illegal activities (where possible).

You are seemingly incapable of recognising halal certification - or hell, lets just insert whatever revenue-generating activity engaged by muslims you like - for the simple thing that it is: business and enterprise. You know, that thing that our whole capitalistic society is largely built upon.

Is there anything special about halal certifiers that makes the especially guilty compared to other muslim-run businesses? Well you certainly haven't said. Presumably then they are just as guilty as Ahmed running his butcher shop in Lakemba, or the Turkish Pide house two blocks down. Are you going to run the same muslims = charity giver = misconstrued notion of 'charity' = sneaky, devious = THEREFORE TERRORIST FUNDER!! - schtick for them? Why not? They are no different in your mind. Hell, throw me in too - I earn money, I'm a muslim, I give to charity - THEREFORE GANDALF THE TERRORIST FUNDER!! I mean why the hell not - your template of "what halal certifiers do" is just the most blatant stereotype of the universal sinister muslim - applicable to literally any muslim you like.

Or are you going to attempt an actual argument for why halal certifiers, specifically, are necessarily an open-shut guilty case of terrorist funders? (and I'm generously assuming you don't actually believe the claptrap you insinuate that 100% of muslims fund terrorism)
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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #367 - Sep 16th, 2020 at 9:29pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 6:53pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 6:25pm:
I am still trying to figure out what this code is Gandalf.


Jesus, I literally spelled it out for you:

freediver wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 6:25pm:
this alleged code of mine
to assume the best of my fellow muslims?


Its the code you made up, and are attempting to slur me with it - in a lame effort to evade addressing my actual point. Apparently Abu said it once, so obviously in FD world it applies to every other muslim.

Anyway, back to the actual question for you to evade for the upteenth time: how is asserting that you are innocent of sending any of your ozpolitic revenues to terrorists "assuming the best of my fellow muslims"?

I'm not sure how you are going to evade this time FD - surely your "I'll pretend to be a blathering imbecile who can't speak English" routine - has run its course by now - no?


That is the "alleged code". Why did you qualify it Gandalf? Do you just happen to be slippery and Muslim at the same time?
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Reply #368 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 9:33am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 9:29pm:
That is the "alleged code". Why did you qualify it Gandalf?


Because its BS. Thought that would be obvious. You just pulled it out of your arse trying to pass it off as standard sinister muslim behaviour (apparently abu said it once - so naturally, universal muslim behaviour) - and attempted to use it as some kind of slur against me.

Then you inexplicably demand that I explain your own slur for you. Go figure. You'll do anything to endlessly deflect I suppose.

And speaking of slippery, any chance of answering my questions now? Take your time, but I think I've been extremely generous in patiently answering yours - regardless of how mindnumbingly stupid and irrelevant they are.
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Reply #369 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 9:36am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 6:17pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 12:45pm:
Don't dodge point 4. Important.

4. Muslim charity IS jihad.


Yes, and everyone knows jihad can only ever mean terrorism. Good job Frank, you sure got me there, case closed I guess  Roll Eyes


Don't try to be slippery with me, old Mohammedan convert.

All terrorist are jihadis.



Ah, no.

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Reply #370 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 1:57pm
 
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assuming that 100% of muslims not only have sinister intentions, but fully intend to actively engage in real illegal activities (where possible).


The qur'an  is a sinister book if you are not a muslim.

Untold millions of rapes, tortures' and mass slaughters have taken place by muslims against the non muslims of the world, during the last 1400 odd years.

These atrocities have been conducted by muslims, who have done so with the clearest of conscience, because they 100% believe they have a sacred right to do so, as instructed in the qur'an.

The qur'an causes and motivates human rights atrocities against non muslims.

Every single muslim who supports the qur'an as infallible, perfect and can't be changed, supports the engendered human rights atrocities.

Sinister?

The cult islam and it's adherents, sinister to the core.
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Reply #371 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 2:31pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:40am:
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 6:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.


You've lost me Frank.

Now you are saying not all charities are terrorists. How does that validate your assertion that halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their money to terrorists? Haven't you just opened up the possibility that they don't?



Do kosher certification bodies send money to Jewish causes? Of course, naturally. The only difference is that Jewish causes are not illegal, like Islamic terrorism is.

Not to mention that you, a Muslim, don't think that Muslims 'fighting back' is terrorism. Paying Palestinian 'martyrs' families come under terrorism funding? Yes.

Foreign aid to the PA is funding terrorism, why wouldn't halal certification?  So if any money from hahal certification is sent to the Palestinian Authority, it is money funding terrorism.

And the PA is not the only shady outfit saddling the borders of legitimacy and terrorist organisation.




In your narrow, prejudicial mind I suppose this is perfectly logical.

It can only be achieved by assuming that 100% of muslims not only have sinister intentions, but fully intend to actively engage in real illegal activities (where possible).

You are seemingly incapable of recognising halal certification - or hell, lets just insert whatever revenue-generating activity engaged by muslims you like - for the simple thing that it is: business and enterprise. You know, that thing that our whole capitalistic society is largely built upon.

Is there anything special about halal certifiers that makes the especially guilty compared to other muslim-run businesses? Well you certainly haven't said. Presumably then they are just as guilty as Ahmed running his butcher shop in Lakemba, or the Turkish Pide house two blocks down. Are you going to run the same muslims = charity giver = misconstrued notion of 'charity' = sneaky, devious = THEREFORE TERRORIST FUNDER!! - schtick for them? Why not? They are no different in your mind. Hell, throw me in too - I earn money, I'm a muslim, I give to charity - THEREFORE GANDALF THE TERRORIST FUNDER!! I mean why the hell not - your template of "what halal certifiers do" is just the most blatant stereotype of the universal sinister muslim - applicable to literally any muslim you like.

Or are you going to attempt an actual argument for why halal certifiers, specifically, are necessarily an open-shut guilty case of terrorist funders? (and I'm generously assuming you don't actually believe the claptrap you insinuate that 100% of muslims fund terrorism)


Halal is a business?

Oh, no no no, that simply won't do. Halal is a form is social control imposed on our food producers to destroy the Freeeeedom of decent white people everywhere.

It's what the Muselman does when he can't get you through jihad. This is why a percentage of halal fees, however small it may be, must go to the terrorists.

That, you see, is the telos of halal certification: killing Whitey.

It's Greek, you know. Socrates is mortal.

University of Balogney, innit. Superior identity politics, no?
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Reply #372 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 3:27pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 16th, 2020 at 10:40am:
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 6:35pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
All terrorist are jihadis.
All charity is jihad.

This does not mean that all charities are terrorists.


You've lost me Frank.

Now you are saying not all charities are terrorists. How does that validate your assertion that halal certifiers must be sending at least some of their money to terrorists? Haven't you just opened up the possibility that they don't?



Do kosher certification bodies send money to Jewish causes? Of course, naturally. The only difference is that Jewish causes are not illegal, like Islamic terrorism is.

Not to mention that you, a Muslim, don't think that Muslims 'fighting back' is terrorism. Paying Palestinian 'martyrs' families come under terrorism funding? Yes.

Foreign aid to the PA is funding terrorism, why wouldn't halal certification?  So if any money from hahal certification is sent to the Palestinian Authority, it is money funding terrorism.

And the PA is not the only shady outfit saddling the borders of legitimacy and terrorist organisation.




In your narrow, prejudicial mind I suppose this is perfectly logical.

It can only be achieved by assuming that 100% of muslims not only have sinister intentions, but fully intend to actively engage in real illegal activities (where possible).




Don't try to be sly and shifty. Don't try this lazy, stupid "100% of Muslims must be assumed to be [your crappy victim BS here].

It is perfectly logical, all you have to do is accept facts: NOT 100% of Muslims are law-abiding, NOT 100% of Muslims reject terrorism and jihad against non-Muslims and not all of these are on the radar.  This is how most money laundering happens. The Muslims have the additional cover of often operating outside the highly regulated and monitored Western banking system (which is still breaches).

Not even you can assure the world that 100% of Muslims involved in Muslims charities of any kind reject jihad and refuse to funnel funds to jihadi organisations like the PA, Hamas, and others, directly or indirectly. It would be like saying that there is no Mafia in America or Australia and all the Italians are completely transformed once they step outside Italy. Or that Muslim jihadis here and overseas have nuffin' to do wiv other Muslims in Australia or anywhere else.Ludicrous.i
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Reply #373 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 4:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 3:27pm:
Don't try to be sly and shifty. Don't try this lazy, stupid "100% of Muslims must be assumed to be [your crappy victim BS here].

It is perfectly logical, all you have to do is accept facts: NOT 100% of Muslims are law-abiding, NOT 100% of Muslims reject terrorism and jihad against non-Muslims and not all of these are on the radar.  This is how most money laundering happens. The Muslims have the additional cover of often operating outside the highly regulated and monitored Western banking system (which is still breaches).

Not even you can assure the world that 100% of Muslims involved in Muslims charities of any kind reject jihad and refuse to funnel funds to jihadi organisations like the PA, Hamas, and others, directly or indirectly. It would be like saying that there is no Mafia in America or Australia and all the Italians are completely transformed once they step outside Italy. Or that Muslim jihadis here and overseas have nuffin' to do wiv other Muslims in Australia or anywhere else.Ludicrous.i


Thats just a convoluted way of saying there is no evidence halal fees go to terrorists.

You and FD certainly have your own unique ways of waffling your way endlessly to miss the actual point.
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Reply #374 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 5:18pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 4:15pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 3:27pm:
Don't try to be sly and shifty. Don't try this lazy, stupid "100% of Muslims must be assumed to be [your crappy victim BS here].

It is perfectly logical, all you have to do is accept facts: NOT 100% of Muslims are law-abiding, NOT 100% of Muslims reject terrorism and jihad against non-Muslims and not all of these are on the radar.  This is how most money laundering happens. The Muslims have the additional cover of often operating outside the highly regulated and monitored Western banking system (which is still breaches).

Not even you can assure the world that 100% of Muslims involved in Muslims charities of any kind reject jihad and refuse to funnel funds to jihadi organisations like the PA, Hamas, and others, directly or indirectly. It would be like saying that there is no Mafia in America or Australia and all the Italians are completely transformed once they step outside Italy. Or that Muslim jihadis here and overseas have nuffin' to do wiv other Muslims in Australia or anywhere else.Ludicrous.i


Thats just a convoluted way of saying there is no evidence halal fees go to terrorists.

You and FD certainly have your own unique ways of waffling your way endlessly to miss the actual point.


No no, that's the old boy's version of tsk tsk tsk.

He just left out the eye rolls.
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