The cops need to use only the "count to ten" machine from now on. We should exercise our right to never have to place foreign objects from strangers in our mouths. It's always been a disgusting practice enforced by the cops, with no regard for innocent motorists' dignity. A non-invasive drug test should be devised as well

Innocent motorists not only go through the indignity of being thought of as guilty, but then have go through the disgusting "tube" in their mouth routine

Let's exercise our right of not having to be personally interfered with, and refuse the cops' request to "Blow in this", instead, ask for a "count to ten" testing machine

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2020 at 6:52pm:



spare me the melodrama. It's no different to using a straw or even cutlery in a restaurant. As long as the tubes haven't been used by anyone else before (and since they ALWAYS open the pack in front of you that's not an issue), then who cares?

John Smith wrote on Apr 26^th, 2020 at 6:57pm:


That answer would be better off in the Health and Welfare board

This topic is about peoples' right to innocence and dignity versus the tyranny of the cops and the law

Bias_2012 wrote on Apr 26^th, 2020 at 7:04pm:


tyranny and right to innocence? Christ it gets worse.

You can always choose not to drive ...... then you won't lose your innocence or have to subject yourself to any tyranny

Driving is not a right, it's a privilege. And with that privilege come certain obligations. If it means I don't have to walk 30kms to work and back every day, I'm happy to blow in a tube once every couple of years, which is about how often I get breath tested.

John Smith wrote on Apr 26^th, 2020 at 6:55pm:

Anyways, back to the adults. The main issue I have with random breath testing is that it doesnt really work. For all the resources they put into it we get a small result. Lots of people still routinely drink drive and the ones who are serial offenders just keep doing it, it doesnt deter them them.  The day when they set up a booze bus, check hundreds of people and dont catch anyone is when we can say its a positive result. And there is of course a far cheaper alternative which will stop everyone from drink driving. I kind of think that its not about drink driving at all but all those extra fines they hand out when they notice car defects or outstanding warrants on people.  Its really just random checking but they dont need to show reasonable cause. Its the back door to a police state and erosion of civil liberties and of course we fall for it because of the concocted outrage about drink driving. And Btw, I do not drink and drive.

Of course you would.

Way too many people quick to claim their rights but not so keen on the accompanying responsibilities.   If my being inconvenienced for a couple of minutes once in a blue moon means even one drunk kept off the road then I reckon that is a fair exchange.