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Reply #15 - May 3rd, 2020 at 12:27pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:17pm:
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:14pm:
Pneumonia cases linked to vaping are still rising. And federal officials don’t know what’s causing them
By HELEN BRANSWELL @HelenBranswell SEPTEMBER 6, 2019

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported a rising number of cases of mysterious pneumonias linked to vaping on Friday. Now, the agency reports 450 people from 33 states and one U.S. jurisdiction have been affected.

Three deaths have been confirmed, authorities said, and another is being investigated.

The New England Journal of Medicine and CDC’s online journal, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report coordinated the release of case reports and case findings from Illinois and Wisconsin, Utah, North Carolina and California. While the descriptions of the cases were remarkably similar, it is not currently clear why young vapers — the majority of cases are young men — are developing severe pneumonias.

Many of the people who developed the respiratory illness — which in some cases requires days of mechanical ventilation — admitted to vaping tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, the main active ingredient in cannabis. Others said they vaped THC and nicotine while some said they only used nicotine products with their e-cigarettes.

Mitch Zeller, director of the Food and Drug Administration’s center for tobacco products, said FDA labs have been testing samples of vaping products collected by state health departments in their investigations of cases.

The FDA currently has 120 samples it is testing, looking for pesticides, toxins, poisons, cutting agents and additives as well as other chemicals, Zeller said. But so far there is no evident answer.

“The samples we’re evaluating show a mix of results and no one substance or compound, including vitamin E acetate, has been identified in all of the samples tested, Zeller said.

The illness has been described as a lipoid pneumonia, with lipids — fats — in the lungs. But Dr. Dana Meaney-Delman, CDC’s incident manager for the outbreak, warned that it’s too soon to know if the lipids are a reliable clue.

She also noted that it is currently unclear whether these illnesses represent something new, or a health risk that has been newly recognized.

Reports of similar pneumonias among e-cigarette users have not come from other countries at this point. A CDC spokeswoman said that the agency has reached out to partner organizations, including the Public Health Agency of Canada, to ask if they are seeing similar cases. “At this time we’re not aware of any cases outside of the United States. However we are sharing information with international partners in the event that cases have gone unrecognized,” she said.

While investigations are underway, both the CDC and the FDA urged people to stop vaping. People who intend to continue to vape should buy their products from reliable stores, they said, and refrain from mixing products.


So July to September and it still hadn't spread across the globe? What does that tell you when it took the virus from Wuhan one month to spread world wide?


You can look at the issue this way. At the time, no test no case! right? Apart from China, who actually tested it? USA, only test the ppl traveled to China even in March. The big issue was you wanna test you need to pay about $3000 at the time. Then who wanna to spend that much money to test?

Now, USA tested a lots, and cases are a lots!
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Re: What's cover up --- unknown pneumonia first seen
Reply #16 - May 3rd, 2020 at 12:30pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:17pm:
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:04pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:58am:
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:56am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:04am:
rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 10:55am:
So residents of a nursing home caught a version of the common cold. You know what a rhinovirus is right?


Yes... It's almost an arse-clenching embarrassment to read 50 cent army posts in defense of the CCP and its crimes...

It's clear they are so poorly equipped to have a clear mind when they are so maliciously indoctrinated by the CCP, that all they are capable of are infantile rants against those of us who can freely source information...

They simply follow the model of the CCP's 4-year-olds tantrums...

I've said it before... You only have to listen to how the CCP rants, raves and threatens countries when the Dalai Lama is on tour overseas...

An infantile organisation so insecure that a powerless, octogenarian monk threatens their sense of being...



Is Taiwan or falungong paid you 50 cents every post? I'm oz and no one paid me!

You may live here but your particular use of the English language reveals where you're likely to come from...

As does your mention of Falun Gong.


So, you're Taiwanese net army 1450 and get paid 50 cents each post, right?

I know you'd like to drive this thread into a schoolyard stoush (you'll have to look that word up to understand its colloquial meaning)...

I'm of European descent (of three regions in particular)...

Taiwan doesn't need to pay me a cent.. I'm not sure I've ever met someone from Taiwan... But then I've never gone out of my way to meet Taiwanese people... Nothing personal towards the Taiwanese... I haven't met anyone from, say, Peru either, that I know of...

Here's a thought... Had Taiwan been in a position to warn the world in late December 2019 or very early January 2020, as they tried to do, the world would not be in this position...

The global community owes Taiwan recognition for having proved itself worthy of our greatest respect... In fact all democracies have a moral obligation to recognise and praise Taiwan's efforts to try to protect us all.

Much less and far worse can be said of the CCP towards its own people and the world.


Well, I respect all your opinions, but no ridiculous accusations.

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Re: What's cover up --- unknown pneumonia first seen
Reply #17 - May 3rd, 2020 at 12:44pm
 
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:27pm:
Setanta wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:17pm:
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:14pm:
Pneumonia cases linked to vaping are still rising. And federal officials don’t know what’s causing them
By HELEN BRANSWELL @HelenBranswell SEPTEMBER 6, 2019

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported a rising number of cases of mysterious pneumonias linked to vaping on Friday. Now, the agency reports 450 people from 33 states and one U.S. jurisdiction have been affected.

Three deaths have been confirmed, authorities said, and another is being investigated.

The New England Journal of Medicine and CDC’s online journal, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report coordinated the release of case reports and case findings from Illinois and Wisconsin, Utah, North Carolina and California. While the descriptions of the cases were remarkably similar, it is not currently clear why young vapers — the majority of cases are young men — are developing severe pneumonias.

Many of the people who developed the respiratory illness — which in some cases requires days of mechanical ventilation — admitted to vaping tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, the main active ingredient in cannabis. Others said they vaped THC and nicotine while some said they only used nicotine products with their e-cigarettes.

Mitch Zeller, director of the Food and Drug Administration’s center for tobacco products, said FDA labs have been testing samples of vaping products collected by state health departments in their investigations of cases.

The FDA currently has 120 samples it is testing, looking for pesticides, toxins, poisons, cutting agents and additives as well as other chemicals, Zeller said. But so far there is no evident answer.

“The samples we’re evaluating show a mix of results and no one substance or compound, including vitamin E acetate, has been identified in all of the samples tested, Zeller said.

The illness has been described as a lipoid pneumonia, with lipids — fats — in the lungs. But Dr. Dana Meaney-Delman, CDC’s incident manager for the outbreak, warned that it’s too soon to know if the lipids are a reliable clue.

She also noted that it is currently unclear whether these illnesses represent something new, or a health risk that has been newly recognized.

Reports of similar pneumonias among e-cigarette users have not come from other countries at this point. A CDC spokeswoman said that the agency has reached out to partner organizations, including the Public Health Agency of Canada, to ask if they are seeing similar cases. “At this time we’re not aware of any cases outside of the United States. However we are sharing information with international partners in the event that cases have gone unrecognized,” she said.

While investigations are underway, both the CDC and the FDA urged people to stop vaping. People who intend to continue to vape should buy their products from reliable stores, they said, and refrain from mixing products.


So July to September and it still hadn't spread across the globe? What does that tell you when it took the virus from Wuhan one month to spread world wide?


You can look at the issue this way. At the time, no test no case! right? Apart from China, who actually tested it? USA, only test the ppl traveled to China even in March. The big issue was you wanna test you need to pay about $3000 at the time. Then who wanna to spend that much money to test?

Now, USA tested a lots, and cases are a lots!


What a load of bullshit, if it had spread across the world as the Wuhan virus did in a matter of weeks it would have been noticed, it didn't. Stop trying to cover for the
CCP
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If you are not trying to cover for the CCP, what are you trying to accomplish with this crap?
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Re: What's cover up --- unknown pneumonia first seen
Reply #18 - May 3rd, 2020 at 12:49pm
 
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:30pm:
Well, I respect all your opinions, but no ridiculous accusations.


OK... But you'll have to admit that your deflecting possible blame to a nursing home in the US or going out of your way to defend the indefensible actions of the CCP once they knew about the dangers of this virus, does make you, at least, a shill for the CCP, if not one of the '50 cent army'...

You want my opinion?

1. I do not believe that the virus was engineered at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and then unleashed on the citizens of Wuhan by the CCP. It doesn't add up... If they had engineered a bio-weapon like that, they'd (a) need a vaccine to protect themselves and (b) they'd be much more likely to have released it in some remote western Muslim province of China (given how much the CCP despise them)...

2. It is possible that lax bio-security at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where they were studying bat corona viruses, caused a human infection that went unnoticed until December 2019... (Why study viruses in bats? Because they are often carriers of corona viruses but seldom are affected by them)...

3. It is possible that it came from bats, then pangolins, then humans via a wet market...

The only thing that makes me tend towards point 2 above is that the CCP (albeit begrudgingly) acknowledge point 3 as the sole and likely source of the virus...

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Re: What's cover up --- unknown pneumonia first seen
Reply #19 - May 3rd, 2020 at 1:52pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 12:44pm:
If you are not trying to cover for the CCP, what are you trying to accomplish with this crap?


Maybe juliar has found a new job? He hasn't been online here for 2 weeks and we suspected he may not have been able to get JobKeeper from the Liberal Party after they couldn't afford to pay him any longer.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1587897288

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1587897288/6#6

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Re: What's cover up --- unknown pneumonia first seen
Reply #20 - May 3rd, 2020 at 2:12pm
 
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:56am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:04am:
rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 10:55am:
So residents of a nursing home caught a version of the common cold. You know what a rhinovirus is right?


Yes... It's almost an arse-clenching embarrassment to read 50 cent army posts in defense of the CCP and its crimes...

It's clear they are so poorly equipped to have a clear mind when they are so maliciously indoctrinated by the CCP, that all they are capable of are infantile rants against those of us who can freely source information...

They simply follow the model of the CCP's 4-year-olds tantrums...

I've said it before... You only have to listen to how the CCP rants, raves and threatens countries when the Dalai Lama is on tour overseas...

An infantile organisation so insecure that a powerless, octogenarian monk threatens their sense of being...



Did Taiwan or falungong pay you 50 cents every post? I'm oz by law and no one paid me here!
By law means you are either naturalised or have a PR We really need to toughen up our immigration procedures. We have enough Chinese in this country swarming all over the place with your rudeness and arrogance. You Chinese are on the nose with the Australian people so I would be very cautious in this country at the moment, immigration has stopped so it will be a very, very long time before it is allowed again from China. Better you fit in now than suffer the repercussions for you and any family down the track. The world hates China and everything Chinese at the moment and its going to get worse for you. As we all, know it is Chinese filthy barbaric eating habits and arrogance which caused this virus to be propogated around the world.
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Re: What's cover up --- unknown pneumonia first seen
Reply #21 - May 3rd, 2020 at 2:30pm
 
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  As we all, know it is Chinese filthy barbaric eating habits and arrogance which caused this virus to be propogated around the world.


Have you been to China? or just your imagination?

China first discovered new virus that doesn't  mean it's origin. That's the topic here.
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Reply #22 - May 3rd, 2020 at 4:02pm
 
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 2:30pm:
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  As we all, know it is Chinese filthy barbaric eating habits and arrogance which caused this virus to be propogated around the world.


Have you been to China? or just your imagination?

China first discovered new virus that doesn't  mean it's origin. That's the topic here.

'Discovered' being a loaded word...

I'm sure there are many extremely dangerous pathogens in the wild within animals that do not come in contact with humans...

If a country chooses to 'discover' them or study them (as Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli did) then you have a responsibility to ensure bio-security is up to the job of containing it.

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Reply #23 - May 3rd, 2020 at 4:08pm
 
Then there's Huang Yan Ling, a researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and thought to be patient zero for the global pandemic, who mysteriously disappeared and her biography deleted from the lab's website.

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Reply #24 - May 3rd, 2020 at 5:05pm
 
rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 2:12pm:
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:56am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:04am:
rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 10:55am:
So residents of a nursing home caught a version of the common cold. You know what a rhinovirus is right?


Yes... It's almost an arse-clenching embarrassment to read 50 cent army posts in defense of the CCP and its crimes...

It's clear they are so poorly equipped to have a clear mind when they are so maliciously indoctrinated by the CCP, that all they are capable of are infantile rants against those of us who can freely source information...

They simply follow the model of the CCP's 4-year-olds tantrums...

I've said it before... You only have to listen to how the CCP rants, raves and threatens countries when the Dalai Lama is on tour overseas...

An infantile organisation so insecure that a powerless, octogenarian monk threatens their sense of being...



Did Taiwan or falungong pay you 50 cents every post? I'm oz by law and no one paid me here!
By law means you are either naturalised or have a PR We really need to toughen up our immigration procedures. We have enough Chinese in this country swarming all over the place with your rudeness and arrogance. You Chinese are on the nose with the Australian people so I would be very cautious in this country at the moment, immigration has stopped so it will be a very, very long time before it is allowed again from China. Better you fit in now than suffer the repercussions for you and any family down the track. The world hates China and everything Chinese at the moment and its going to get worse for you. As we all, know it is Chinese filthy barbaric eating habits and arrogance which caused this virus to be propogated around the world.


I wouldn't go that far and I hope my DiL is not copping anything on behalf of the CCP which has always been on the nose and Ping certainly has a pong about him.
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Reply #25 - May 3rd, 2020 at 5:22pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 5:05pm:
rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 2:12pm:
Victor Sunny wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:56am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 11:04am:
rhino wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 10:55am:
So residents of a nursing home caught a version of the common cold. You know what a rhinovirus is right?


Yes... It's almost an arse-clenching embarrassment to read 50 cent army posts in defense of the CCP and its crimes...

It's clear they are so poorly equipped to have a clear mind when they are so maliciously indoctrinated by the CCP, that all they are capable of are infantile rants against those of us who can freely source information...

They simply follow the model of the CCP's 4-year-olds tantrums...

I've said it before... You only have to listen to how the CCP rants, raves and threatens countries when the Dalai Lama is on tour overseas...

An infantile organisation so insecure that a powerless, octogenarian monk threatens their sense of being...



Did Taiwan or falungong pay you 50 cents every post? I'm oz by law and no one paid me here!
By law means you are either naturalised or have a PR We really need to toughen up our immigration procedures. We have enough Chinese in this country swarming all over the place with your rudeness and arrogance. You Chinese are on the nose with the Australian people so I would be very cautious in this country at the moment, immigration has stopped so it will be a very, very long time before it is allowed again from China. Better you fit in now than suffer the repercussions for you and any family down the track. The world hates China and everything Chinese at the moment and its going to get worse for you. As we all, know it is Chinese filthy barbaric eating habits and arrogance which caused this virus to be propogated around the world.


I wouldn't go that far and I hope my DiL is not copping anything on behalf of the CCP which has always been on the nose and Ping certainly has a pong about him.


There are many Chinese people who oppose the CCP.

This Chinese lady has many interesting things to say about the Kung Flu which she calls the CCP virus.

Quote:
The #WHO representative in China says the Chinese regime refusing to allow the WHO to investigate the origins of the #CCPvirus.



https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd
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Reply #26 - May 3rd, 2020 at 5:33pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 3rd, 2020 at 5:22pm:

There are many Chinese people who oppose the CCP.

Absolutely true...

We should keep in mind that its the Chinese people who were, are and will be, the first to suffer from the criminal acts of the CCP.

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Reply #28 - May 4th, 2020 at 9:23am
 
I'm sure the Yellow Chinese would love a nice tall Black man to run their Economy into the black.
Obama thought he was 'the Chosen One' to tell Asia how to run their Economy, but seeing how he worked the American Economy - they said "No thanks" to the 'Labourer'.
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Re: What's cover up --- unknown pneumonia first seen
Reply #29 - May 4th, 2020 at 10:27am
 
Jasin wrote on May 4th, 2020 at 9:23am:
I'm sure the Yellow Chinese would love a nice tall Black man to run their Economy into the black.
Obama thought he was 'the Chosen One' to tell Asia how to run their Economy, but seeing how he worked the American Economy - they said "No thanks" to the 'Labourer'.


They're certainly not going to turn to the 'Bankrupter' for advice.
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