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Re: Jacinda Ardern to join Australian national cabinet
Reply #105 - May 6th, 2020 at 5:07pm
 
cods wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 4:38pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 4th, 2020 at 10:51pm:
Greater New Zeastralia .... been talked about for ages - might become a reality...  the Eastern Provinces could benefit from  closer ties...




I agree   we need to stand strong together.....China is throwing its weight around and pointing its nasty finger....

Oz and NZ need to stand shoulder to shoulder.....

we need each other,.


But only once this little woman in charge experiment is over right Scoot?

Imagine catching her at the wrong time of the month, yikes! /s
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Reply #106 - May 6th, 2020 at 5:46pm
 
she doesnt trigger me at all sad.

i just cant follow the logic (because it isnt logical).

if you are saying women are the same as men and so a woman leader is no different to a male leader, then any criticism of the way men rule must surely apply to women who behave in the same way.

ie if the sexes are identical, then a female ruler must, by definition, take on the same negative character traits as a male ruler.


if you say a female ruler is different to a male ruler, then , it would seem logical that women would have some advantages and some disadvantages .
now i have said the advantages might be women are more collaborative and cooperative (maybe).

are there any disadvantages?

my claim is that women can tend to be too compassionate and this interferes with the neccessary judgemental aspect that a ruler needs (in SOME situations).

you can go on about the manosphere and try to paint me as a woman hater. lol.
i have fantastic realtionships with my wife , female colleagues and daughters, so you definitely wont pinch a nerve with that one.

but can you see ANY possible problems with females in positions of power.

or its all upside ?
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Reply #107 - May 6th, 2020 at 6:51pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 2:16pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
It's like being in high school again...

All the people who think they're tough are trying to bully the smart kids by calling them bed wetters haha...

I guess some people will always be weak little children at heart.



i dont think thats what is happening.

i think , as gnads said, when you look at jacinda or justin trudeau, they dont offer much.

what do they offer?

they mouth platitudes and motherhood statements .
they make it about themselves and their own "reputation " as "morally superior " leaders.

a guy like twiggy forrest would bring some real substance to the national cabinet.
some real insight into how to get the china-australia relationship moving forward.

jacinda?   

well, you tell me what special insight she brings apart from just reading an auto cue , written by a bureacrat


Really? .... good grief he sold his soul for Chinese money .... much as Gina Rinehart has done.

He fronted to that meeting the other day & waltzed in with an uninvited Chinese ambassador.

Forrest doesn't run the country .... money doesn't give him a ticket to ride on behalf of Australians.

He can farcough too.
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Reply #108 - May 6th, 2020 at 6:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 2:18pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
It's like being in high school again...

All the people who think they're tough are trying to bully the smart kids by calling them bed wetters haha...

I guess some people will always be weak little children at heart.


And some "men" will always be threatened by strong women in positions of power.



Grin Grin wanker
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Reply #109 - May 6th, 2020 at 7:01pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 4:32pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 3:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 2:18pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
It's like being in high school again...

All the people who think they're tough are trying to bully the smart kids by calling them bed wetters haha...

I guess some people will always be weak little children at heart.


And some "men" will always be threatened by strong women in positions of power.




its not "threatened", its more "what will be the new reality of having women in positions of power"?


Yeah, threatened...

Textbook.

You think only men can lead and now a woman is in charge you're threatened.


Threatened? She's the PM of NZ.

Though some of you softcocks would like her to be the PM in Australia.

Ey Peccarhead?
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Reply #110 - May 6th, 2020 at 10:41pm
 
Raven has respect for Ardern.

She is the first PM to have dealt with a terrorist attack, a volcanic eruption and a pandemic all in her 1st term, whilst holding a baby.

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Reply #111 - May 6th, 2020 at 11:21pm
 
Raven wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 10:41pm:
Raven has respect for Ardern.

She is the first PM to have dealt with a terrorist attack, a volcanic eruption and a pandemic all in her 1st term, whilst holding a baby.



Her approval rating, in NZ is I believe about 80%.  She also had a baby in her first term.  She has performed spectacularly well IMO.   Cool
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Reply #112 - May 7th, 2020 at 6:18am
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 11:21pm:
Raven wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 10:41pm:
Raven has respect for Ardern.

She is the first PM to have dealt with a terrorist attack, a volcanic eruption and a pandemic all in her 1st term, whilst holding a baby.



Her approval rating, in NZ is I believe about 80%.  She also had a baby in her first term.  She has performed spectacularly well IMO.   Cool



Very popular indeed
My question for Skippy and yourself still stands though

She is a very nurturing leader

If you were a private in the army
What sort of leader would you like
One who nurtured you and applied bandaids to your blisters
Or one who really pushed you

If you were a student in a high school
What sort of leader would you like
A nurturing principal who loved you
Or a demanding principal who pushed you

Maybe there is a case that the young child requires nothing but nurturing
But during adolescence the teenager requires expectations and judgements to be made
And boundaries to be set

So I have no doubt that leaders such as jacinda are what people want
But are leaders such as Jacinta what is good for people

Jacinda's equivalence would include Angela Merkel Macron and Justin Trudeau
Very nurturing type figures

The other side of the coin
The judgemental father
Well I would put it to you that Paul Keating and Bob hawke to some extent were judgmental fathers
They oversaw a lot of economic growth
President Putin and president ping would fit that mould

Would the people of China prefer jacinda as their leader
Undoubtedly
Would they have achieved the economic success that they have under Jacinta
Well that's a question worth thinking about
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Re: Jacinda Ardern to join Australian national cabinet
Reply #113 - May 7th, 2020 at 11:42am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 6th, 2020 at 5:46pm:
she doesnt trigger me at all sad.

i just cant follow the logic (because it isnt logical).

if you are saying women are the same as men and so a woman leader is no different to a male leader, then any criticism of the way men rule must surely apply to women who behave in the same way.

ie if the sexes are identical, then a female ruler must, by definition, take on the same negative character traits as a male ruler.


if you say a female ruler is different to a male ruler, then , it would seem logical that women would have some advantages and some disadvantages .
now i have said the advantages might be women are more collaborative and cooperative (maybe).

are there any disadvantages?

my claim is that women can tend to be too compassionate and this interferes with the neccessary judgemental aspect that a ruler needs (in SOME situations).

you can go on about the manosphere and try to paint me as a woman hater. lol.
i have fantastic realtionships with my wife , female colleagues and daughters, so you definitely wont pinch a nerve with that one.

but can you see ANY possible problems with females in positions of power.

or its all upside ?


There have been plenty of pretty tough "Goddesses" in mythology.


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Re: Jacinda Ardern to join Australian national cabinet
Reply #114 - May 7th, 2020 at 11:51am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 6:18am:
A nurturing principal who loved you
Or a demanding principal who pushed you


A demanding woman with a biting tongue keeps men in their place.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has announced the "toughest border restrictions" of anywhere in the world .
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Reply #115 - May 7th, 2020 at 12:35pm
 

She's a fine leader, doing a fine job.

Jacinda Ardern and her government soar in popularity during coronavirus crisis

Strangely though, every Kiwi I talk to doesn't seem to like her.

What's not to like?
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Reply #116 - May 7th, 2020 at 12:36pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:35pm:
She's a fine leader, doing a fine job.

Jacinda Ardern and her government soar in popularity during coronavirus crisis

Strangely though, every Kiwi I talk to doesn't seem to like her.

What's not to like?


Go figure ey?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #117 - May 7th, 2020 at 12:37pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:35pm:
She's a fine leader, doing a fine job.

Jacinda Ardern and her government soar in popularity during coronavirus crisis

Strangely though, every Kiwi I talk to doesn't seem to like her.

What's not to like?


Go figure ey?  Roll Eyes


What's not to like?

I really want to know.

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Reply #118 - May 7th, 2020 at 12:40pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:37pm:
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:35pm:
She's a fine leader, doing a fine job.

Jacinda Ardern and her government soar in popularity during coronavirus crisis

Strangely though, every Kiwi I talk to doesn't seem to like her.

What's not to like?


Go figure ey?  Roll Eyes


What's not to like?

I really want to know.



All show & no substance.
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Reply #119 - May 7th, 2020 at 12:41pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:37pm:
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 7th, 2020 at 12:35pm:
She's a fine leader, doing a fine job.

Jacinda Ardern and her government soar in popularity during coronavirus crisis

Strangely though, every Kiwi I talk to doesn't seem to like her.

What's not to like?


Go figure ey?  Roll Eyes


What's not to like?

I really want to know.



All show & no substance.


Examples?

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