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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	a very important link May 22^nd, 2020 at 3:05pm so have a read https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-inf...
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10910 armidale Gender:	Re: a very important link Reply #1 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:06pm Fresh air must have less virus per cu. metre than indoor air. The 1.5m. social distance is excellent if the virus also knows it can't travel that far. Virus is opportunistic and lawless and may ignore the distance limit.
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Reply #2 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:09pm

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Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.

Absolute nonsense
What the hell is "fresh air". Outdoor air is not a disinfectant.
the flu virus and the C19 virus are in the lungs. Sunlight isn't getting anywhere near there

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: a very important link Reply #3 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:18pm All heard there was "scoff" "scoff".oh and "scoff"
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Reply #4 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:23pm

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:06pm:

Fresh air must have less virus per cu. metre than indoor air. The 1.5m. social distance is excellent if the virus also knows it can't travel that far. Virus is opportunistic and lawless and may ignore the distance limit.

grow a brain here- you might find its the ony thing that actually works in the end anyway- for Zero dollars and totally safe- so simple so it must crap right?

I have no words for the other guy- whats his name again Barnacle ?

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Reply #5 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:34pm

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:06pm:

Fresh air must have less virus per cu. metre than indoor air.

Incorrect

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:06pm:

The 1.5m. social distance is excellent if the virus also knows it can't travel that far. Virus is opportunistic and lawless and may ignore the distance limit.

It's all about probability.
The virus is less likely to travel 1.5m between people so you are less likely to catch the virus from them

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Reply #6 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:44pm

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Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.

sunlight is a natural disinfectant - YES
and breathing outdoor air [i live surrounded by a forest] is very beneficial to our health. - YES

That makes perfect sense to me.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #7 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 5:18pm

The_Barnacle wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:34pm:

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:06pm:

Fresh air must have less virus per cu. metre than indoor air.

Incorrect

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:06pm:

The 1.5m. social distance is excellent if the virus also knows it can't travel that far. Virus is opportunistic and lawless and may ignore the distance limit.

It's all about probability.
The virus is less likely to travel 1.5m between people so you are less likely to catch the virus from them

Fresh air must in general have fewer people and virus per cu.m. than indoors .
The air must be moving vertically and horizontally more than an enclosed volume. Yes it's probability at 1.5m. distance but is presented as blocking infection. And probability is more at a given social distance inside than outdoors , in general. So a football crowd is not really "fresh air , outdoors".

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: a very important link Reply #8 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 5:52pm they even make prisoners take a walk in the fresh air.. wonder why that is???? just asking.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29271 Gender:	Re: a very important link Reply #9 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 6:03pm Masks are useless if the virus can be taken in through mucous membranes of the eye. Used as at treatment because they had no other. Antibiotics came along .... & the method was dropped like a hot spud. What's that say?
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Reply #10 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 6:23pm

Agnes wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 3:05pm:

so have a read

https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-inf...

UV kills the CCP virus (Kung Flu) so being outside is better than staying indoors.

There is also a link with Vitamin D deficiency and Covid 19 mortality.

Read more here- https://www.google.com.au/search?ei=QovHXuHwNIrSz7sPh6W-8AU&q=vitamin+d+deficien...

Yes your article is relevant here Wink

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Reply #11 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 7:17pm

The Scientists can't make a buck on it if it's just a case of Fresh Air and Sunlight. They won't back it. They'll slag it off as nutter conspiracy theorists whackjob. They'll deforest the world and set up big 'air-conditioning' factories to make the air so they can charge like a Petrol Service Station rake. I've seen the process of how they'll do it. They don't like people with Common Sense. The Scientists haven't been able to disprove that one as a hoax yet.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 9885 Melbourne Gender:	Re: a very important link Reply #12 - May 22^nd, 2020 at 9:22pm The reason for the 1.5 m distance is for the droplets from someone's breathing to have a chance to fall to the ground instead of over another person. It's not really to do with indoor air vs outdoor air. Remember Pig pen?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10910 armidale Gender:	Re: a very important link Reply #13 - May 23^rd, 2020 at 1:58pm The best masks have a snorkel airpipe to 1.5 m. above the sneezing pig people. Some are fitted with leaf-blowers to get maximum outdoors freshness from above. With thermal updrafts at midday , simply stand on a stepladder.
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Reply #14 - May 23^rd, 2020 at 5:11pm

chimera wrote on May 22^nd, 2020 at 4:06pm:

Fresh air must have less virus per cu. metre than indoor air. The 1.5m. social distance is excellent if the virus also knows it can't travel that far. Virus is opportunistic and lawless and may ignore the distance limit.

See, Agnes? It is a matter of space for the virus to spread that determines how a virus can be transmitted. If someone coughs or sneezes outdoors, there is a better chance that the virus could get caught in the wind and carry further to the point that it dies minutes later. Indoors, the virus only goes so far and gets concentrated and protected from the elements. The virus will land on some surface and live for longer where transmission becomes greater.

The 1918 influenza victims could have had their numbers reduced during the summer when windows and doors were opened. The stress on their bodies, suppressing their immune systems would have mitigated with warmer temperatures. And there would have been less congregation of people together to transfer influenza.

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