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Jun 4th, 2020 at 12:53pm
 
"The Associated Press (AP) on Tuesday reported on leaked documents from the World Health Organization (W.H.O.) that showed its officials were well aware China was withholding vital information about the coronavirus in January, even as W.H.O. leadership extravagantly praised China for its transparency.

The AP report described a massive disconnect between W.H.O.’s public statements and the private frustration of its officials as the Chinese “sat on releasing the genetic map, or genome, of the deadly virus for over a week after multiple government labs had fully decoded it, not sharing details key to designing tests, drugs, and vaccines.”

The report noted that even after a Chinese lab seemingly broke with Communist Party officials and published the genome of the Wuhan coronavirus, “China stalled for at least two more weeks on giving W.H.O. the details it needed, according to recordings of multiple internal meetings held by the UN health agency in January.”

“Although the W.H.O. continued to publicly commend China, the recordings show they were concerned China was not sharing enough information to assess the risk posed by the new virus, costing the world valuable time,” the AP report said.

One W.H.O. official ruefully noted that the international health organization was getting vital information about the coronavirus “15 minutes before it appears on CCTV,” the Chinese state television network.

The AP oddly insisted these revelations “do not support the narrative of either the U.S. or China,” even though it is exactly the narrative of the U.S. that China withheld information and gave W.H.O. false information, and W.H.O. spread those falsehoods while commending Beijing for its high degree of cooperation. The AP writers seemed to think W.H.O. should get a break because its officials were privately seething in frustration, rather than enthusiastically “colluding” with Beijing as willing agents of its political agenda.

For example, some of the emails uncovered by the AP show W.H.O. officials worrying that if they openly accused China of wrongdoing, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) would stop cooperating entirely, and might even commit violence against Chinese scientists who were trying to help. That’s hardly a refutation of the U.S. narrative, since American critics have long suspected W.H.O. played softball with China – putting hundreds of thousands of lives around the world at risk – because it knew Beijing was ready to play hardball with them.

It also does not speak well of W.H.O. that its officials refused to discuss the report with Associated Press interviewers unless they could be supplied with “audio or written transcripts of the recorded meetings, which could not be supplied while protecting sources.” In other words, they would not say anything unless they knew they had been caught red-handed spreading false information about a historically devastating pandemic to the world.

The leaked documents also confirmed that W.H.O. knew the CCP was preventing Chinese scientists from discussing the coronavirus and ordering the destruction of samples, which is a direct contravention of W.H.O. protocols. W.H.O. Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus was fully aware of these issues, but deliberately chose not to mention them when he finally declared a global health emergency at the end of January, instead gushing over the “incredible things” China had supposedly done to “limit the transmission of the virus to other countries.” "

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/06/02/report-w-h-o-feared-china...
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Reply #1 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:08pm
 
It's all starting to smell a bit fishy, in fact it stinks like wet market, the Chinese are not to be trusted.
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Reply #2 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:37pm
 
The depth of this story is in the end saying that China were in denial for 6 days before they rang the alarm bells.

In the USA President Trump put the USA into denial for almost 2 months. I suspect the the WHO were also diplomatic with him.
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Reply #3 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:42pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:37pm:
The depth of this story is in the end saying that China were in denial for 6 days before they rang the alarm bells.



So December to March is only 6 days. You do have a novel  calendar. Wink
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Reply #4 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:44pm
 
I also don't think Trump prevented the world from finding out anything about the virus. The CCP did. I would have no issue with the CCP if it released the facts and merely put a positive spin on it the way Trump tried to do.
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Reply #5 - Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:47pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:37pm:
The depth of this story is in the end saying that China were in denial for 6 days before they rang the alarm bells.

In the USA President Trump put the USA into denial for almost 2 months. I suspect the the WHO were also diplomatic with him.

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Reply #6 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:19am
 
lee wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:42pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:37pm:
The depth of this story is in the end saying that China were in denial for 6 days before they rang the alarm bells.



So December to March is only 6 days. You do have a novel  calendar. Wink


Well, according to the link supplied on your article.

The initial sequencing of the virus by a chinese lab first occured on 02/01/2020.  And it was then published to the world on 11 Jan 2020.  At the time, no one knows exactly what this virus was, as it is a novel virus with no name.  By 20/01/2020, they warned the virus spread between people, and they hosted a small team from WHO. 

Soon after, as we all saw here in the forum, two 1000 bed hospital was scheduled to be built in Late January, The progress of which were shown on live television.   And by 30/01/2020, a global emergency was declared.

If there was a delay, there is perhaps a window of 2 weeks.  But remember hindsight always make you an Einstein.
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Reply #7 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 1:00pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:19am:
Soon after, as we all saw here in the forum, two 1000 bed hospital was scheduled to be built in Late January, The progress of which were shown on live television.   And by 30/01/2020, a global emergency was declared.

If there was a delay, there is perhaps a window of 2 weeks.



The first infections were in December.
"Dec. 31
Chinese authorities treated dozens of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause."

"Jan. 11
China reported its first death."
(although that is only reported which may not be the date of death)


"Jan. 23
Wuhan, a city of more than 11 million, was cut off by the Chinese authorities."
(if you believe the reported date)


"Jan. 30
The W.H.O. declared a global health emergency."

https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-timeline.html

So there was one week between the Chinese closing down Wuhan and the pandemic announcement. Perhaps that's where you got confused. You would have thought as soon as the Chinese closed down Wuhan that would be the latest time to act. Wink

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Reply #8 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 1:10pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 4th, 2020 at 5:37pm:
The depth of this story is in the end saying that China were in denial for 6 days before they rang the alarm bells.

In the USA President Trump put the USA into denial for almost 2 months. I suspect the the WHO were also diplomatic with him.


Why are you deflecting the thread away from the country where the pandemic began and covered it up for as long as they could?
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Reply #9 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 1:47pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 1:00pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:19am:
Soon after, as we all saw here in the forum, two 1000 bed hospital was scheduled to be built in Late January, The progress of which were shown on live television.   And by 30/01/2020, a global emergency was declared.

If there was a delay, there is perhaps a window of 2 weeks.



The first infections were in December.
"Dec. 31
Chinese authorities treated dozens of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause."

"Jan. 11
China reported its first death."
(although that is only reported which may not be the date of death)


"Jan. 23
Wuhan, a city of more than 11 million, was cut off by the Chinese authorities."
(if you believe the reported date)


"Jan. 30
The W.H.O. declared a global health emergency."

https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-timeline.html

So there was one week between the Chinese closing down Wuhan and the pandemic announcement. Perhaps that's where you got confused. You would have thought as soon as the Chinese closed down Wuhan that would be the latest time to act. Wink



The pandemic announcement is by the WHO, and it has a set definition.  But the response to human to human transmission started with the city wide shut down.  So... I say, there is a delay of about 2 weeks may be three. 
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Reply #10 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 2:06pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:19am:
If there was a delay, there is perhaps a window of 2 weeks. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 1:47pm:
  So... I say, there is a delay of about 2 weeks may be three. 



Any advance on three? Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - Jun 5th, 2020 at 2:23pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 2:06pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 8:19am:
If there was a delay, there is perhaps a window of 2 weeks. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 5th, 2020 at 1:47pm:
  So... I say, there is a delay of about 2 weeks may be three. 



Any advance on three? Grin Grin Grin


If I had to take a guess.  When the virus was first sequenced in 02/01/2020, it would probably be handed up the chain of command along with information about new respiratory infection clusters.  This probably would take 1 or 2 days before it reaches the right person.   Mind you, its just after the new years, and heading into Chinese new year. 

Of course, then... if I am the government, I will try to attempt to verify this... by sending a special team.  Which takes 1 day to put together, and another few days of investigation and return. 

And then you would have to start planning before announcing the city wide lock down.  For example, which organization will be handling the lockdown, how many police needed for the lockdown, and how is the city going to be supplied - e.g. city dwellers still need to eat after shut down.   And have to do it in a way, so it does not cause wide spread panic. 

So I will say, the delays... if there is any... probably around 2 weeks may be a little more 1 or 2 days judging from the timeline supplied.
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