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Reply #15 - Jun 8th, 2020 at 4:56pm
 
I don't know if there are any more sharks but there sure is a lot more shark bait these days.

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Reply #16 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:44am
 
I've been saying for a while now there are more sharks around.



By around do you mean more sharks in general, or because of poor fish stocks for them offshore, more sharks coming onshore.
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Reply #17 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:09am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 1:12pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 11:47am:
I've been saying for a while now there are more sharks around.



providing a news report of someone being killed by a shark isn't evidence that there are more sharks around


The coastal region from Kingscliffe, Ballina & Byron have been the hotspot for shark attacks recently.

So I believe there is an increased number of sharks to increase the number of attacks.

The Great Whites follow the Humpback whale migrations ...... & we know they have increased in numbers in the last 20 years.

Why wouldn't it follow that there would then be an increase in predator numbers?

Orcas have been as far north as Hervey Bay.
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Reply #18 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:10am
 
Johnnie wrote on Jun 8th, 2020 at 4:56pm:
I don't know if there are any more sharks but there sure is a lot more shark bait these days.

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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #19 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:16am
 
Gnads wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:09am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 1:12pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 11:47am:
I've been saying for a while now there are more sharks around.



providing a news report of someone being killed by a shark isn't evidence that there are more sharks around


The coastal region from Kingscliffe, Ballina & Byron have been the hotspot for shark attacks recently.

So I believe there is an increased number of sharks to increase the number of attacks.

The Great Whites follow the Humpback whale migrations ...... & we know they have increased in numbers in the last 20 years.

Why wouldn't it follow that there would then be an increase in predator numbers?

Orcas have been as far north as Hervey Bay.



More sharks close to the beaches, not more sharks overall.
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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #20 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 6:40pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:44am:
I've been saying for a while now there are more sharks around.



By around do you mean more sharks in general, or because of poor fish stocks for them offshore, more sharks coming onshore.


More sharks within a few kilometres of the coast. I expect that is where most of them have always been.
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Reply #21 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 7:12pm
 
Raratonga and other Island Nations that have made their surrounding waters more 'Sanctuary' and 'Zones' have seen an increase in Shark numbers and the Stats with heavily 'shark finned' areas have been decimated. Sharks comes to these areas true - because of the greater abundance in food from these Zones. Most Sharks are NOT deepwater (unlike the Oceanic White-Tip or 'Sailor's Shark'). So naturally 'Coastal' stretches attract Sharks.
There has been an increase in Grey Nurse Sharks (also preyed on by Great Whites) thanks to Spear-Fishing restrictions. As have many other species like the Blue Devil Fish.

There is less and less 'food' out there in the Chain of Life. Suddenly there are hardly any Great Whites around South Africa because the Orca have preyed on them over the last decade. Orca get shot near Mexico because the Fishermen see the Orca as a 'competitor'.

There is an increase in Sharks due to many factors now. Probably still not as numerous before Man learned how to obliterate species and their numbers over the recent centuries. But with more and more people going into the water in various ways and methods - contact between Shark  and Human will become more and more.
How it pans out is up to us.

...snorkling with just a hand-spear, to which I never use (its just an added 'comfort') at a popular spot where 'holidayers' from affair come to frolic and try their luck at spearfishing. Like bubbles churning from all the Holiday Spearos pumping in about 50 in a day (just a long weekend squeeze) at one spot. Such activity had summoned a large female Great White to come 'in'. She times it well. Seems to know when the Public Holidays are around. The hairs on the back of my neck prickle, I know I'm being watched. The fish and the sounds underwater suddenly become subdued and I move to exit the water 40m away.
The following weekend at the same spot, my mate is dragged 20m underwater before he managed to unclip his fish line (x5 fish), by the Great White. He took it like Chuck Norris in his stride.

Stewart Island, NZ.
I had asked one of the locals about scuba diving solo around here as it looked great. The answer was "sure" - many do and the Great Whites are rarely seen or bother. The Orca are the 'Apex' Predator in NZ waters and the GW's are more 'polite'. But at that time I was there, there were Cage Diving for 'Research' underway off the Bluff area across the strait. That 'research' ultimately showed it's true nature as Great White Sharks were being 'chummed' and lured by food for CAGE TOURISM.
Within just 8 years - Great White activity increases in the 'violent' nature the Great Whites had changed in their behaviour and numbers because they now associated Humans with FOOD. A new behaviour of ramming 'tinnies' and other boats for food and creating an environment that no Scuba Diver would now do alone. The increase of Food (chum) given to the Sharks have given them the right environment to breed more, just like Kangaroos do.

There is an increase in Sharks around Australian Coastal waters. Yes, some come from other 'stressful' parts of the world, where natural food and numbers for breeding are 'scarce'. Fish can 'hear' a Bommie 26km away. I'm pretty sure Sharks can 'know about' this big continent's offerings.


The factor is. Are we going to enter their world sensibly? Or are we gonna 'ask for it' when they feel they should bite?

Shelly Beach, Port Lincoln - 50m out. I have two very large Kingfish hug me like baitfish do when Kingfish are after them. So what's hunting these big 80kg Kingfish?
...I got out pretty quick.  Wink My arse went from 50c to 5c.  Tongue
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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #22 - Jun 9th, 2020 at 7:40pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 6:40pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 9:44am:
I've been saying for a while now there are more sharks around.



By around do you mean more sharks in general, or because of poor fish stocks for them offshore, more sharks coming onshore.


More sharks within a few kilometres of the coast. I expect that is where most of them have always been.



Oh well, don't want top get eaten by sharks don't go in the water.
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Reply #23 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 7:45am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:16am:
Gnads wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:09am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 1:12pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 11:47am:
I've been saying for a while now there are more sharks around.



providing a news report of someone being killed by a shark isn't evidence that there are more sharks around


The coastal region from Kingscliffe, Ballina & Byron have been the hotspot for shark attacks recently.

So I believe there is an increased number of sharks to increase the number of attacks.

The Great Whites follow the Humpback whale migrations ...... & we know they have increased in numbers in the last 20 years.

Why wouldn't it follow that there would then be an increase in predator numbers?

Orcas have been as far north as Hervey Bay.



More sharks close to the beaches, not more sharks overall.


So only the prey animals increase in numbers not the hunters?

Goes against all the documentary evidence I've ever seen that shows that when conditions are good & prey animals flourish the amount of hunters increase proportionally.

Predators have to breed to replace the aged & dying as well.

Checks & balances.
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Reply #24 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 7:57am
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 7:12pm:
Raratonga and other Island Nations that have made their surrounding waters more 'Sanctuary' and 'Zones' have seen an increase in Shark numbers and the Stats with heavily 'shark finned' areas have been decimated. Sharks comes to these areas true - because of the greater abundance in food from these Zones. Most Sharks are NOT deepwater (unlike the Oceanic White-Tip or 'Sailor's Shark'). So naturally 'Coastal' stretches attract Sharks.
There has been an increase in Grey Nurse Sharks (also preyed on by Great Whites) thanks to Spear-Fishing restrictions. As have many other species like the Blue Devil Fish.

There is less and less 'food' out there in the Chain of Life. Suddenly there are hardly any Great Whites around South Africa because the Orca have preyed on them over the last decade. Orca get shot near Mexico because the Fishermen see the Orca as a 'competitor'.

There is an increase in Sharks due to many factors now. Probably still not as numerous before Man learned how to obliterate species and their numbers over the recent centuries. But with more and more people going into the water in various ways and methods - contact between Shark  and Human will become more and more.
How it pans out is up to us.

...snorkling with just a hand-spear, to which I never use (its just an added 'comfort') at a popular spot where 'holidayers' from affair come to frolic and try their luck at spearfishing. Like bubbles churning from all the Holiday Spearos pumping in about 50 in a day (just a long weekend squeeze) at one spot. Such activity had summoned a large female Great White to come 'in'. She times it well. Seems to know when the Public Holidays are around. The hairs on the back of my neck prickle, I know I'm being watched. The fish and the sounds underwater suddenly become subdued and I move to exit the water 40m away.
The following weekend at the same spot, my mate is dragged 20m underwater before he managed to unclip his fish line (x5 fish), by the Great White. He took it like Chuck Norris in his stride.

Stewart Island, NZ.
I had asked one of the locals about scuba diving solo around here as it looked great. The answer was "sure" - many do and the Great Whites are rarely seen or bother. The Orca are the 'Apex' Predator in NZ waters and the GW's are more 'polite'. But at that time I was there, there were Cage Diving for 'Research' underway off the Bluff area across the strait. That 'research' ultimately showed it's true nature as Great White Sharks were being 'chummed' and lured by food for CAGE TOURISM.
Within just 8 years - Great White activity increases in the 'violent' nature the Great Whites had changed in their behaviour and numbers because they now associated Humans with FOOD. A new behaviour of ramming 'tinnies' and other boats for food and creating an environment that no Scuba Diver would now do alone. The increase of Food (chum) given to the Sharks have given them the right environment to breed more, just like Kangaroos do.

There is an increase in Sharks around Australian Coastal waters. Yes, some come from other 'stressful' parts of the world, where natural food and numbers for breeding are 'scarce'. Fish can 'hear' a Bommie 26km away. I'm pretty sure Sharks can 'know about' this big continent's offerings.


The factor is. Are we going to enter their world sensibly? Or are we gonna 'ask for it' when they feel they should bite?

Shelly Beach, Port Lincoln - 50m out. I have two very large Kingfish hug me like baitfish do when Kingfish are after them. So what's hunting these big 80kg Kingfish?
...I got out pretty quick.  Wink My arse went from 50c to 5c.  Tongue


That's what I've said from day dot when they started the heavy chumming for Great White research in Sth Aust. e.g. shark attack victim Rodney Foxes involvement.

That method shouldn't be used for shark viewing tourism...... as it shouldn't be used for the Crocodile tourism where they feed them to get them to jump up out of the water in the wild in certain rivers in the Nthn Territory & other locations.
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Reply #25 - Jul 11th, 2020 at 5:10pm
 
Two more shark attacks and a drowned spearo. I think the more sharks thing is real now.

Different news outlets initially said the Indian Head victim was either spearfishing or scuba diving. They seem to have changed it to spearfishing. Either way, it's a bad idea up there. Even the surfers don't get in.

Teen killed in shark attack at Wilsons Headland north of Coffs Harbour, Wooli Beach closed

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/teenager-killed-in-shark-attack-in-coffs-harbour/12446198?fbclid=IwAR1mizNoirJv50C4VyzLFhXCVFjB4J23EMD-ISN9TzBgbAxkSWh49qp9DjA

Posted 1 hour ago, updated 15 minutes ago

A teenage boy is dead after being bitten by a shark while surfing off of NSW's mid-north coast.

Man killed in shark attack off Fraser Island, Queensland police confirm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-04/man-killed-in-shark-attack-off-fraser-island/12423134

Published: 04/07/2020
Updated: 6 July 2020

Queensland Police have confirmed a man has been killed in a shark attack off Fraser Island, off the coast from Hervey Bay.

Police say the 36-year-old Sunshine Coast man was spearfishing in the waters near Indian Head when he was attacked.

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/scuba-diver-attacked-by-shark-on-fraser-island-c-1
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Spearfisher dies in Fraser Island shark attack

It comes after a 23-year-old Queensland Parks and Wildlife ranger was killed in a shark attack in the same area in April.

What caused Alex 'Chumpy' Pullin to drown?

https://7news.com.au/sport/olympics/what-caused-alex-chumpy-pullin-to-drown-c-11
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Updated: 9 July 2020

World champion snowboarder Alex ‘Chumpy’ Pullin drowned while spearfishing on Wednesday and one possible cause of his death is a shallow water blackout.
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Reply #26 - Jul 11th, 2020 at 5:53pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:16am:
Gnads wrote on Jun 9th, 2020 at 10:09am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 1:12pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 7th, 2020 at 11:47am:
I've been saying for a while now there are more sharks around.



providing a news report of someone being killed by a shark isn't evidence that there are more sharks around


The coastal region from Kingscliffe, Ballina & Byron have been the hotspot for shark attacks recently.

So I believe there is an increased number of sharks to increase the number of attacks.

The Great Whites follow the Humpback whale migrations ...... & we know they have increased in numbers in the last 20 years.

Why wouldn't it follow that there would then be an increase in predator numbers?

Orcas have been as far north as Hervey Bay.



More sharks close to the beaches, not more sharks overall.


Links?

Don't give me that bs .... when a predators prey increases in numbers .... so do the predators.

You must live under a rock.

Humpback whales have increased greatly in numbers since the international whaling ban & Australias own bans & protections since 1986 ....

it's only commonsense that that shark numbers, especially Great Whites would increase proportionately.

Further to that another predator of humpback whales has been found in waters far further north than ever before ... following the whale migration ...

Orcas/Killer whales.(As far north as Hervey Bay)

Get out of your bs cocoon & try telling the truth for once.
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Reply #27 - Jul 11th, 2020 at 5:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 11th, 2020 at 5:10pm:
Two more shark attacks and a drowned spearo. I think the more sharks thing is real now.

Different news outlets initially said the Indian Head victim was either spearfishing or scuba diving. They seem to have changed it to spearfishing. Either way, it's a bad idea up there. Even the surfers don't get in.

Teen killed in shark attack at Wilsons Headland north of Coffs Harbour, Wooli Beach closed

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/teenager-killed-in-shark-attack-in-coffs-harbour/12446198?fbclid=IwAR1mizNoirJv50C4VyzLFhXCVFjB4J23EMD-ISN9TzBgbAxkSWh49qp9DjA

Posted 1 hour ago, updated 15 minutes ago

A teenage boy is dead after being bitten by a shark while surfing off of NSW's mid-north coast.

Man killed in shark attack off Fraser Island, Queensland police confirm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-04/man-killed-in-shark-attack-off-fraser-island/12423134

Published: 04/07/2020
Updated: 6 July 2020

Queensland Police have confirmed a man has been killed in a shark attack off Fraser Island, off the coast from Hervey Bay.

Police say the 36-year-old Sunshine Coast man was spearfishing in the waters near Indian Head when he was attacked.

https://7news.com.au/news/qld/scuba-diver-attacked-by-shark-on-fraser-island-c-1
144787

Spearfisher dies in Fraser Island shark attack

It comes after a 23-year-old Queensland Parks and Wildlife ranger was killed in a shark attack in the same area in April.

What caused Alex 'Chumpy' Pullin to drown?

https://7news.com.au/sport/olympics/what-caused-alex-chumpy-pullin-to-drown-c-11
55679

Updated: 9 July 2020

World champion snowboarder Alex ‘Chumpy’ Pullin drowned while spearfishing on Wednesday and one possible cause of his death is a shallow water blackout.


Indian Head has be well known locally as a haven for big sharks for decades.  Roll Eyes

People who dive there are idiots.
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Reply #28 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 2:19am
 
The Great Whites following the whales is interesting... here we have a massive shallow 'inlet' to the Great Lakes, and the whales tend to be way out... that massive sand bank complex also ruins the surf for boardriders (as far as I'm concerned - too much shore break and not much else).  I've found better surfing waves at Catherine Hill Bay south of Swansea.... farken cold in winter without a 'dry' suit (wetsuit).

Further north where the headlands jut out into the sea is far more advantageous for whale watching and board riding, and also far more dangerous for shark attacks.  Notice how the surfing Meccas are also shark attack Meccas?

Perhaps oddly, we've had a pair of Great Whites here for some time... just sizing up the boardriders... one of whom was a schoolteacher just across the road... but I think they've moved on with the whales now... haven't seen them... don't want to unless on the breakwater.....

Bring Back the Biff! Put the shark on the table!!
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Reply #29 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 5:59am
 
More people drown from waves than being chomped by a shark and considering that humans and over fishing have wiped out 90% of the marine top predators a few human fatalities is not a bad ratio.

Also on record there has been no shark fatalities at patrolled beaches in recent times.

With surfing it is time of day that has higher risk such as  dawn or dusk, and when there is less light with cloud cover as was the case with the young bloke attacked at Wilsons Headland.

From my own experience with snorkelling..(no longer spear fish, rather observe sea life, as fish seem to know that a diver hasn't a spear gun or hand spear), or surfing in low light levels is when it feels ominously shark presence.



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