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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #30 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 9:38am
 
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Also on record there has been no shark fatalities at patrolled beaches in recent times.


I don't think there has ever been any kind of fatality between the flags. The lifesafers always drag them up the beach either side of the flags, just in case.
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Reply #31 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:34am
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 5:59am:
More people drown from waves than being chomped by a shark



Although infrequent, shark attacks attract a high level of public and media interest, and often have serious consequences for those attacked. Data from the Australian Shark Attack File were examined to determine trends in unprovoked shark attacks since 1900, particularly over the past two decades. The way people use the ocean has changed over time. The rise in Australian shark attacks, from an average of 6.5 incidents per year in 1990–2000, to 15 incidents per year over the past decade, coincides with an increasing human population, more people visiting beaches, a rise in the popularity of water-based fitness and recreational activities and people accessing previously isolated coastal areas. There is no evidence of increasing shark numbers that would influence the rise of attacks in Australian waters. The risk of a fatality from shark attack in Australia remains low, with an average of 1.1 fatalities year–1 over the past 20 years. The increase in shark attacks over the past two decades is consistent with international statistics of shark attacks increasing annually because of the greater numbers of people in the water.

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Reply #32 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:41am
 
So in 2011 there was no evidence of an increase in shark numbers in 2020? I guess I should start burleying up then...
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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #33 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:58am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:41am:
So in 2011 there was no evidence of an increase in shark numbers in 2020? I guess I should start burleying up then...


What would cause shark numbers to suddenly increase after 2011 when there was no evidence of increasing numbers before 2011?
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Reply #34 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 12:06pm
 
If you go into the swamp, you get mozzie.

If you go into the sea, there are other nasty bities.

If you go into Granville, the raving lunatic terrorists will get you.

If you go into Melbourne, you re an idiot.

The sea is the sharks domain, leave them alone

Stats prove, if you don't want to be eaten by a shark.
Don't swim early in the morning or after dusk.
This is when most surfers tend to surf.

If you really really don't want to be eaten by a shark,
Only swim in fresh water.
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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #35 - Jul 12th, 2020 at 12:34pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:58am:
freediver wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:41am:
So in 2011 there was no evidence of an increase in shark numbers in 2020? I guess I should start burleying up then...


What would cause shark numbers to suddenly increase after 2011 when there was no evidence of increasing numbers before 2011?


I don't think 9 years is sudden. There are plenty of explanations.
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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #36 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 6:03am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 12:34pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:58am:
freediver wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:41am:
So in 2011 there was no evidence of an increase in shark numbers in 2020? I guess I should start burleying up then...


What would cause shark numbers to suddenly increase after 2011 when there was no evidence of increasing numbers before 2011?


I don't think 9 years is sudden. There are plenty of explanations.


The Silent Invasion of Basa and the restrictions on hunting of the snark have lead to a severe shortage of shark steaks in fish shops.... instead of us eating them they're eating us...
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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #37 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:14am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:58am:
freediver wrote on Jul 12th, 2020 at 11:41am:
So in 2011 there was no evidence of an increase in shark numbers in 2020? I guess I should start burleying up then...


What would cause shark numbers to suddenly increase after 2011 when there was no evidence of increasing numbers before 2011?


You just keep your head buried in your backside

the increase hasn't been sudden ... humpback whales have increased in numbers - predators increase in numbers  Roll Eyes

Shark attacks therefore increase because of the increased chance of interactions with humans


why don't you go & ask a few pro-fisherman regarding shark numbers that they see?

This from 2015.

https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/lifestyle/beaches-and-fishing/pro-fishermen...

https://www.finder.com.au/australias-most-dangerous-beaches-for-shark-attacks
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Reply #38 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:59am
 
They learned in North America that National Parks need Wolves. Too much Reindeer and not enough Wolves ruins a National Park in many ways.

Sharks 'Globally' have been decimated (eg: Shark Finning, etc). But there are areas where Shark populations have recouperated - like Australia. Sharks are needed to keep the Aquatic environment in good health.

Great Whites have been filmed congregating off rocky 'points' either side of a beach where heaps of Surfers congregate also. The Sharks get a 'oxygen high' from all the  white-wash off the points and don't bother the Surfers (South Africa)... mostly.
Great Whites are also hitting Surfers in 'twos' now and upon two occassions this has been filmed.
As I said, Orca are now adapting to the new global conditions of less 'usual' prey and are now decimating GW's around South Africa (which also has a river filled with big Bull Sharks, who never touch swimmers along the river, because there is a 'symbiotic relationship' with the Fisherman that they get their 'cut'.) - in the last 10 years.
Orca are also moving into the Great Australian Bight and increasing their toll on the 'former' Apex GW's there.
Also, they think that the GW's in South Africa are also cannibalising each other out of hunger. The adult females hitting the adolescents who enter their territory.

Bronzies in Jervis Bay recognise 'Spearos' and often hound the spearos off their fish (as do Wobbys). But swimmers, divers and snorklers are sussed out, not harrassed. The smell of dead fish is the obvious decision maker for the Sharks.

Surfing or diving in poor viz conditions is not a wise choice.

Animals (as seen in Singapore) are adapting to Human existence.

So yes, Shark Numbers are increasing in our waters, but not Globally.
Yes - more people are entering the water (especially whities, because this land is Aboriginal land Wink Cheesy) - so naturally the stats will rise.

I dive often solo. Never really been bothered by Sharks to any great extent. They come in, take a look and move on.
I have a big pair of eyes on the back on my scuba tank.
I know of one diver who always took an umbrella with him with big eyes velcroed on it. When sharks got too close, he would open it up and off they would go quickly. Surprise is the shark's method (unless Reef shark, then its 'numbers').

There are many offers of deterrents against sharks. Killing (spear, powerhead) is the primitive method. But things like Shark Shields, Cages - seem a more 'passive' method.
I am working on another method (but more about that later) - but without chumming to bring the sharks in (which defeats the purpose), I haven't had a direct opportunity yet to test it. It is a 'passive' method.
There is the Krait Wetsuits and Boards which are out and are said to work.

Just killing Sharks or staying out of the water are dead end options. Humanity has the need to live underwater, but we need to do it the proper way. WE NEED TO EVOLVE.

Education is the key. Like a female naturalist photographer in Africa who discovered (and it has been filmed) that a charging Lion (male in the clip) will stop metres from her (and her scared shaking Bantu ranger with a gun) if she holds her gaze defiantly with the lion and doesn't move an inch. The Lion moved away. Do that to a male Silverback Gorilla and he'll rip your head from your shoulders. The same is with Sharks. Know your species and their habits.
The 'educated' thing to do when canoeing/kayaking Croc infested Rivers is not to be the last in the pack because a Croc can leap up and take you out of your kayak from behind.
Swimming at dawn/dusk is a no go (poor light conditions) and especially falling behind in the swimmers pack (like what happened at Tathra) is also not wise. Sharks are there to clean up the sick, old and injured.

There is so much to learn from Sharks. God knows I've bitten a few over-achievers in my time, from 'down under'  Wink
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Re: Surfer dies in shark attack in Kingscliff
Reply #39 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 9:35am
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 8:59am:
They learned in North America that National Parks need Wolves. Too much Reindeer and not enough Wolves ruins a National Park in many ways.

Sharks 'Globally' have been decimated (eg: Shark Finning, etc). But there are areas where Shark populations have recouperated - like Australia. Sharks are needed to keep the Aquatic environment in good health.

Great Whites have been filmed congregating off rocky 'points' either side of a beach where heaps of Surfers congregate also. The Sharks get a 'oxygen high' from all the  white-wash off the points and don't bother the Surfers (South Africa)... mostly.
Great Whites are also hitting Surfers in 'twos' now and upon two occassions this has been filmed.
As I said, Orca are now adapting to the new global conditions of less 'usual' prey and are now decimating GW's around South Africa (which also has a river filled with big Bull Sharks, who never touch swimmers along the river, because there is a 'symbiotic relationship' with the Fisherman that they get their 'cut'.) - in the last 10 years.
Orca are also moving into the Great Australian Bight and increasing their toll on the 'former' Apex GW's there.
Also, they think that the GW's in South Africa are also cannibalising each other out of hunger. The adult females hitting the adolescents who enter their territory.

Bronzies in Jervis Bay recognise 'Spearos' and often hound the spearos off their fish (as do Wobbys). But swimmers, divers and snorklers are sussed out, not harrassed. The smell of dead fish is the obvious decision maker for the Sharks.

Surfing or diving in poor viz conditions is not a wise choice.

Animals (as seen in Singapore) are adapting to Human existence.

So yes, Shark Numbers are increasing in our waters, but not Globally.
Yes - more people are entering the water (especially whities, because this land is Aboriginal land Wink Cheesy) - so naturally the stats will rise.

I dive often solo. Never really been bothered by Sharks to any great extent. They come in, take a look and move on.
I have a big pair of eyes on the back on my scuba tank.
I know of one diver who always took an umbrella with him with big eyes velcroed on it. When sharks got too close, he would open it up and off they would go quickly. Surprise is the shark's method (unless Reef shark, then its 'numbers').

There are many offers of deterrents against sharks. Killing (spear, powerhead) is the primitive method. But things like Shark Shields, Cages - seem a more 'passive' method.
I am working on another method (but more about that later) - but without chumming to bring the sharks in (which defeats the purpose), I haven't had a direct opportunity yet to test it. It is a 'passive' method.
There is the Krait Wetsuits and Boards which are out and are said to work.

Just killing Sharks or staying out of the water are dead end options. Humanity has the need to live underwater, but we need to do it the proper way. WE NEED TO EVOLVE.

Education is the key. Like a female naturalist photographer in Africa who discovered (and it has been filmed) that a charging Lion (male in the clip) will stop metres from her (and her scared shaking Bantu ranger with a gun) if she holds her gaze defiantly with the lion and doesn't move an inch. The Lion moved away. Do that to a male Silverback Gorilla and he'll rip your head from your shoulders. The same is with Sharks. Know your species and their habits.
The 'educated' thing to do when canoeing/kayaking Croc infested Rivers is not to be the last in the pack because a Croc can leap up and take you out of your kayak from behind.
Swimming at dawn/dusk is a no go (poor light conditions) and especially falling behind in the swimmers pack (like what happened at Tathra) is also not wise. Sharks are there to clean up the sick, old and injured.

There is so much to learn from Sharks. God knows I've bitten a few over-achievers in my time, from 'down under'  Wink


Predation on their own has always been a thing .. GWs are no exception.

Whilst there is a lot of reasoned thought in your post ... you have to go & farque it up with bs about the number of whiteys in Aboriginal lands waters Roll Eyes ...

we have had a marked increase in the number of tinted race migrants in the last 10 to 15 years or more ....obviously they & Aboriginals don't swim? Roll Eyes

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I dive often solo. Never really been bothered by Sharks to any great extent.


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Reply #40 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 9:41am
 
Of  course, I say it in 'jest' about Aboriginals owning the land. It's eventually a 'shared' experience, like the English language (although some Whities think they have 'entitlement' over that too). But the world has a while to go before all is well and ordered. Yellows think they own 'cities' like citi-zens.

My last word would be "Ouch" I'm sure.  Wink Cheesy
I usually take my reg out and drone out a 'growl' if I see a shark get too curious.
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Reply #41 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 12:45pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jul 13th, 2020 at 9:41am:
Of  course, I say it in 'jest' about Aboriginals owning the land. It's eventually a 'shared' experience, like the English language (although some Whities think they have 'entitlement' over that too). But the world has a while to go before all is well and ordered. Yellows think they own 'cities' like citi-zens.

My last word would be "Ouch" I'm sure.  Wink Cheesy
I usually take my reg out and drone out a 'growl' if I see a shark get too curious.



Ah - so you DID smile when you said that.... they can have their 'special relationship to the lend' as long as they STFU about it for a change.... I think we've all heard enough of this nonsense fueled by the likes of Piltdown Pascoe...

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Reply #42 - Jul 13th, 2020 at 11:30pm
 
Wouldn't be caught dead in Kingscliff...
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Reply #43 - Jul 14th, 2020 at 5:56pm
 
It's a nice place. Good rock hopping spot. And good for a surf. I got chased out of the water by a small great white one time.
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Reply #44 - Jul 14th, 2020 at 7:15pm
 
another SHARK!!! attack today, Mick Fanning would have just given it a backhander and catch the next wave in.
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